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Old 2013-11-11, 15:00   Link #1161
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Ron Paul, John Huntsman and Newt Gingrich were pretty decent. Ron Paul's idea isn't subscribed by a lot of people including his own party. John Huntsman and Newt knew what they were talking about, but they both aren't "conservative" enough... especially John Huntsman who actually doesn't fit the typical Republican mold. The rest of them were between wacko to nutjobs. Michelle Backman and Rick Santorum stood out the most for being extra hilarious. So while Romney didn't have much trouble going through the debate phase due to his strong debating skill, PR people for the other candidates dug out too much dirt to give democrats a lot of ammunition to work with later on. It also didn't help how Romney couldn't stick to one message from one week to the next... and his choice comment such as the infamous 47% were icing on the cake to close the deal for the Democrats. Obama couldn't give away the election to Republican even if he tried and try he did (reference to his first debate).
How did Newt moved from awful to decent? O-o He is most corrupt of them all...he is like a real version of a Republican Character Assassin of Clinton.
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Old 2013-11-11, 15:59   Link #1162
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How did Newt moved from awful to decent? O-o He is most corrupt of them all...he is like a real version of a Republican Character Assassin of Clinton.
Maybe because some still belive than he is the Republican equivalent of a intellectual, while he is in fact nothing much more than a scam artist.
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Old 2013-11-11, 16:01   Link #1163
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How did Newt moved from awful to decent? O-o He is most corrupt of them all...he is like a real version of a Republican Character Assassin of Clinton.
because newt is not a raving lunatic.

while newt is a hypocrite, compare to Bachmann, Santorium and Cain. He does look pretty good.
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Old 2013-11-11, 20:13   Link #1164
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Maybe because some still belive than he is the Republican equivalent of a intellectual, while he is in fact nothing much more than a scam artist.
He is indeed one.
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Old 2013-11-12, 05:06   Link #1165
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Newt is one of the few left of the intellectual wing (or at least the shadow of it). Now ... he's completely corrupt but he is smart and when confronted with smart adversaries or a crisis he drops the BS (rather like Chris Christie). He isn't a zealot ideologue like most of the GOP seems to be drifting towards in it's hyper-right greased chute. He is, however, one of the prime founders in the sudden schism from a party that made *SOME* sense before the mid-90s to one that is nearly nihilistic in its lunacy (bearing in mind that most of this circus is being driven by a very small group of ultra-plutocrat billionaires who want to recreate feudalism without all that darn middle class).

Huntsman is probably the only one left with a shred of believability for a qualified candidate who can appeal in the general election - but as we've seen the purity test of the GOP primaries has gone the route of the "No True Scotsman" informal fallacy.
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Old 2013-11-15, 02:39   Link #1166
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5 Ways U.S. Democracy Is More Rigged Than You Think:

"None of you are naive or think government works exactly the way you learned it in
elementary school. We all know there are backroom deals and bribes and blackmail
and probably, like, orgies and shit behind the scenes.

But what many people don't realize is that the most unfair and outright broken
parts of the system we have in the USA aren't a result of people breaking the law.
No, the craziest, most overtly bullshit practices are perfectly legal. That's why ..."

See:

http://www.cracked.com/article_20705...you-think.html
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Old 2013-11-15, 15:34   Link #1167
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Oh dear god, a cracked article...FUCK! it's tomorrow >.<
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Old 2013-11-15, 15:43   Link #1168
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5 Ways U.S. Democracy Is More Rigged Than You Think:

"None of you are naive or think government works exactly the way you learned it in
elementary school. We all know there are backroom deals and bribes and blackmail
and probably, like, orgies and shit behind the scenes.

But what many people don't realize is that the most unfair and outright broken
parts of the system we have in the USA aren't a result of people breaking the law.
No, the craziest, most overtly bullshit practices are perfectly legal. That's why ..."

See:

http://www.cracked.com/article_20705...you-think.html
this is news to who
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Old 2013-11-16, 03:25   Link #1169
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this is news to who
Those who have been living under a rock for years?
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Old 2013-11-21, 13:01   Link #1170
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Senate goes nuclear

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The Senate voted on Thursday to eliminate the use of the filibuster against most presidential nominees, a move that will break the Republican blockade of President Obama’s picks to cabinet posts and the federal judiciary. The change is the most fundamental shift in the way the Senate functions in more than a generation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/22/us...r.html?hp&_r=0
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Old 2013-11-21, 13:08   Link #1171
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Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, denounced Democrats for trying to “break the rules to change the rules”
Aren't these the same guys who changed the rules in the House so only they could bring a bill to the floor?
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Old 2013-11-21, 14:29   Link #1172
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Senate goes nuclear
So a least the senate isn't completely broken, at least compared to congress.
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Old 2013-11-24, 20:28   Link #1173
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Washington blows up: Has American politics hit an all-time low?:

"The approval ratings of Congress, the Republican Party, and President Obama have
now all hit all-time lows. And the Senate's 'nuclear option' is supposed to make
things worse?"

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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Deco...n-all-time-low
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Old 2013-11-25, 00:25   Link #1174
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That may be a little misleading. Obama's ratings are currently *average* for *any* US president at this point in the second term. In other words, he's mostly been more popular except for the slip up in a website (reference Medicare Part D and several other program rollouts before frothing).
Now CONGRESS on the other hand, hasn't been this unpopular ever (<9% approval) ... even during the Civil War I'm pretty sure. The GOP would be in the dustbin of history if it weren't for extreme gerrymandering (every party gerrymanders to some extent when given the chance - the GOP has taken it over the cliff, which is why some states have implemented neutral scientific districting).

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...gs-are-line-o/
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Old 2013-11-25, 07:46   Link #1175
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Analysis: U.S. air pollution authority faces Supreme Court tests
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9AN0E120131124
That one could have some serious implication if they go the conservative/corporative way ...
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Old 2013-12-02, 13:50   Link #1176
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The heart of Pope Francis’s mission
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...y.html?hpid=z2
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In light of a recent past in which conservatism was gaining the upper hand in the U.S. Catholic church, progressives have reason to be elated. Conservative Catholics know this. That’s why they are torn between expressing loyalty to a pope who has captured the popular imagination and fretting over whether he is transforming the church with a speed that few thought was possible.
If Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin don’t like the pope, they won’t care much for Jesus
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...uch-for-jesus/
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Old 2013-12-03, 14:25   Link #1177
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California Ballot Initiative Would Rig Next Presidential Election For Republicans
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...ad-california/
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Old 2013-12-03, 17:04   Link #1178
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That would take a lot of effort in California. A whole lot of effort. At least of the Presidental scale of things. It was slightly over 60% Obama in 2012 and about 3% third party.

In 2008, it was 61% Obama and about 2% third party.

In 2004, it was 54% Kerry, and a little over 1% third party

In 2000, it was 53% Gore, almost 4% Nader, and about 1% other third parties.

In 1996, it was 51% Clinton, almost 7% Perot, and about 4% other third parties.

In 1992, (the first time a Democrat since Lyndon B. Johnson had won in California) it was 46% Clinton, 20% Perot, and less than 1% for other third parties.

In 1988, Dukakis won 47% of the vote to Bush's 51%. The end of the Cold War and the withdrawl of the military bases from the major population centers shifted the voting pattern following the Reagan and Bush administrations.

Most Repubilcan candidates barely get through California from the 1960s to 1980s with Reagan's second terms being the largest win at 57%. Johnson won the state in 1964 with 59%.

Side note: in 1960, Nixon beat Kennedy in California, but only by about 25,000 votes...alittle over half a percent. Though Nixon is from California.


As for partitioning the electoral votes based on the actual population's votes? I've been for that for years anyway, as it give a better slice of the nation's character. And such things are state by state anyway.

Also how is that rigging an election?
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Old 2013-12-03, 17:47   Link #1179
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As for partitioning the electoral votes based on the actual population's votes? I've been for that for years anyway, as it give a better slice of the nation's character. And such things are state by state anyway.

Also how is that rigging an election?
It is if only the blue states do it, while the red states stay winner takes all.
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Old 2013-12-03, 17:50   Link #1180
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That would take a lot of effort in California. A whole lot of effort. At least of the Presidental scale of things. It was slightly over 60% Obama in 2012 and about 3% third party.

In 2008, it was 61% Obama and about 2% third party.

In 2004, it was 54% Kerry, and a little over 1% third party

In 2000, it was 53% Gore, almost 4% Nader, and about 1% other third parties.

In 1996, it was 51% Clinton, almost 7% Perot, and about 4% other third parties.

In 1992, (the first time a Democrat since Lyndon B. Johnson had won in California) it was 46% Clinton, 20% Perot, and less than 1% for other third parties.

In 1988, Dukakis won 47% of the vote to Bush's 51%. The end of the Cold War and the withdrawl of the military bases from the major population centers shifted the voting pattern following the Reagan and Bush administrations.

Most Repubilcan candidates barely get through California from the 1960s to 1980s with Reagan's second terms being the largest win at 57%. Johnson won the state in 1964 with 59%.

Side note: in 1960, Nixon beat Kennedy in California, but only by about 25,000 votes...alittle over half a percent. Though Nixon is from California.


As for partitioning the electoral votes based on the actual population's votes? I've been for that for years anyway, as it give a better slice of the nation's character. And such things are state by state anyway.

Also how is that rigging an election?
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It is if only the blue states do it, while the red states stay winner takes all.
California pass a law few years ago making the electoral vote proportional to the number of votes IF 2/3 of the states also goes proportional voting.
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