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Old 2013-11-11, 17:53   Link #721
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I'm sorry, but emotionally manipulative? If anything she is emotionally fragile because she is afraid that her friendship with Haruki and Touma will come falling apart if she isn't careful on how to handle the situation.

Her biting her lip at the end of this episode emphasize that she has realised she is losing the battle to win Haruki's heart. She will do something for sure, but it's out of her genuine interest, and I'll leave it for people to see in this anime.

Also, Haruki is one of those rare male teenager where girls aren't the top of his interest list. He is honour student material and rather focus on getting things done.
I'm not so sure about that, in the end he wrote a song (that is quite self-explanatory) that talks about an unrequited love. So his dream is indeed about a girl. He is just trying to sublimate through it Or at least I'd say that it is hard to tell at this stage what came first. I mean, which is the flame that makes him burn? His passion for music/writing or his unrequited love? I'd say the latter, just by the fact that he didn't play the guitar before Touma's first lesson.
About Setsuna, thanks for remember me about her friendship issues, because I forgot them. And I didn't get that kind of vibes from the show lately, but definitely of a girl in love.


Anyways, in my opinion Haruki is oblivious to everything because he is in love with Touma, so it's quite realistic to not notice other girls interest. And the fact that he is oblivious about Touma's feelings is also not so strange. Usually people lack self-confidence when love is involved. Add to that Touma is not the easiest-to-understand girl of the block. Surely he has his faults. But his case has nothing to share with the standard-MC-denseness disease. So far at least.
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Old 2013-11-11, 18:10   Link #722
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I'm not so sure about that, in the end he wrote a song (that is quite self-explanatory) that talks about an unrequited love. So his dream is indeed about a girl.
That's his dream alright, but his focus is on putting on a performance at the festival. That's his drive and is rather focus on that right now. The dream thing came about when Takeya gave Touma his notes. The irony then is that Touma is making his dreams come true.
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Old 2013-11-12, 04:25   Link #723
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I mean, he has just carried her off in the most romantic way.
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White Album 2 in charge of subtlety this season. Presenting to you: the friendzone hand grab.
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Old 2013-11-12, 06:10   Link #724
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White Album 2 in charge of subtlety this season. Presenting to you: the friendzone hand grab.
Interesting interpretation.
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Old 2013-11-12, 08:44   Link #725
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I'm not so sure about that, in the end he wrote a song (that is quite self-explanatory) that talks about an unrequited love. So his dream is indeed about a girl. He is just trying to sublimate through it Or at least I'd say that it is hard to tell at this stage what came first. I mean, which is the flame that makes him burn? His passion for music/writing or his unrequited love? I'd say the latter, just by the fact that he didn't play the guitar before Touma's first lesson.
I don't think what Takeya means about his dream and his actual thought of his own dream is the same, heck I don't even think Haruki realize his own feelings being conveyed to his lyrics
so I guess his dream now is actually to have their performance to be successful
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Old 2013-11-12, 12:17   Link #726
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I don't think what Takeya means about his dream and his actual thought of his own dream is the same, heck I don't even think Haruki realize his own feelings being conveyed to his lyrics
so I guess his dream now is actually to have their performance to be successful
IMO the lyrics is more about Setsuna's feelings than Haruki's feelings toward Touma. Setsuna realized that while reading the notebook (she's a sensitive girl after all) but when she wanted to say something, her words were blocked by Haruki's babbling about this and that. Having to sing a song composed by her rivals (again, she was left out here) about about her own unrequited love must be painful. That's why she bit her lips and faked a smile in order not to break the fragile balance between the three before the festival.

Moreover, Haruki already wrote that song lyrics even before he got to know Touma, so the argument that Todokanai koi was about his love for Touma was invalid.

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I honestly can't understand all the hatred toward Setsuna. It's true that she's the late comer and in obvious losing position here. Therefore, what's wrong with her being a bit jealous when she saw the one she loved had fun with other girls? Is it a sin to fall in love? And is it a sin to try to make the one she loved pay attention to her?
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Old 2013-11-12, 12:42   Link #727
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Moreover, Haruki already wrote that song lyrics even before he got to know Touma, so the argument that Todokanai koi was about his love for Touma was invalid.
A-and from where did you get that? When this was stated?
Kitahara knew Touma for half a year, she was his "sitting next to him troublesome classmate" for all this time.

Episode 04, date: 15.11.2007 (november).
Kitahara's notebook: "2007. 10" on the cover, meaning "october, 2007".
It means that Haruki wrote the song half a year *after* he met Touma. While he spoke with Ogiso for the very first time around 24.10.2007 (Episode 06 -- date 22.11.2007, 24.11.2007 - festival;
Episode 01 -- "30 days to go" on student counsil's door when Haruki met there assaulted by others Ogiso, meaning that was around 24.10.2007)

Something like that.
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Old 2013-11-12, 18:47   Link #728
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I don't think what Takeya means about his dream and his actual thought of his own dream is the same, heck I don't even think Haruki realize his own feelings being conveyed to his lyrics
so I guess his dream now is actually to have their performance to be successful
Well, honestly it's hard to believe that he was not aware of what he wrote in his own song. But in any case it is not really important that he was aware or not, if what was driving him was actually that unrequited love, is it? Consciously or unconsciously that's it. He was sublimating his feelings into his dream to perform THAT song. Because his dream is to perform on that stage with that song; IIRC Takeya gave the notebook to Touma for that reason. So singing only the other two songs was not meant to be the same for him. Or so I got. Surely Takeya gave Touma the notebook because Touma had the skills to write the music, but I think he gave it to her knowing who she was.

Anyways, I agree with you that now his dream evolved into have a successful performance, but that's because (going along with what I previously speculated) he got more than he hoped, I mean, Touma is writing the music for that song, will perform with him and he spent days and days (and nights) alone with her. If she were his unrequited love that would be a huge improvement from the period he apparently wrote those lyrics.
All in all I'm just guessing so it could be that he is not really aware of his own feelings and what not
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Old 2013-11-13, 00:39   Link #729
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Well I couldn't find the time to watch this series last week so had a good back to back viewing tonight. On the positive guess I avoided any craziness that came from the past couple episodes here .

Things really are going to get messy after the concert that's for sure. Things building up really with the three of them and primed to go into quite the tough situation. I really don't know what Haruki is going to do once things start getting romantically serious with the two girls. Right now their feelings are building up and there is bound to be a breaking point. That point will probably come from Touma since once her own feelings start coming to the surface and she sees the situation with Setsuna...oh boy. Certainly her words about them being either the best of friends or fiercest of rivals really will come to fruition.

In the last episode everyone really did what they had to. Haruki had to be taking care of Touma since if she didn't recover they were pretty screwed. Of course did leave Setsuna in the cold dealing with that stage fright, but couldn't be helped. That guy is hilarious at times though dragging her off while in that getup. The least he could do was serve as a human shield .

Looking forward to the concert. Should be entertaining and a good starting point for serious drama .
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Old 2013-11-13, 01:36   Link #730
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IMO the lyrics is more about Setsuna's feelings than Haruki's feelings toward Touma. Setsuna realized that while reading the notebook (she's a sensitive girl after all) but when she wanted to say something, her words were blocked by Haruki's babbling about this and that. Having to sing a song composed by her rivals (again, she was left out here) about about her own unrequited love must be painful. That's why she bit her lips and faked a smile in order not to break the fragile balance between the three before the festival.

Moreover, Haruki already wrote that song lyrics even before he got to know Touma, so the argument that Todokanai koi was about his love for Touma was invalid.

//ranting:

I honestly can't understand all the hatred toward Setsuna. It's true that she's the late comer and in obvious losing position here. Therefore, what's wrong with her being a bit jealous when she saw the one she loved had fun with other girls? Is it a sin to fall in love? And is it a sin to try to make the one she loved pay attention to her?
errr... how could the lyrics that was made by Haruki become Setsuna's feelings...
- The light music club was made just in this year (their third year in Houjou)
- Japanese school is starting at Spring which is around March if I'm not mistaken, in this time Kazusa become Haruki's classmate
- Kazusa having her incident in the first two years didn't try to have a talk with anyone (see what Kazusa always do in the class at the beginning episodes)
- Haruki found out that Kazusa and begin to talk to her (see the conversation at ep 3 how Haruki lecture her and know about her going to college, and also how Kazusa had opened up to him before the time in the WA2 starts)
- Haruki can't really focus on making his lyrics because he's the person who everyone relied on and he seldom reject it (or never reject it(?))
- Haruki even though had heard about Setsuna's rumor but only begin to know her in the time which WA2 starts
- You can see the time for festival starts at the first episode too behind Setsuna's back in the student council room that it will start 24,25.11.2007 while in the student council door it has 30 days to go (I doubt student council is too lazy to change that term) means the time WA2 starts is 24.10.2007

so... how could Haruki made a lyric about someone's feelings that he didn't even know....
read the lyrics again and understand the meaning behind it, and also the image of the lyrics doesn't match with Setsuna's situation, therefore leads to making an argument that it's Haruki's feelings (the one who make the lyrics) towards Kazusa (the one who fit who Haruki saw and made it into lyrics)

Hmm, I don't know about everyone hating Setsuna, I haven't found anything wrong about Setsuna's act either
It's still in the limit of a girl falling in love, there's nothing wrong in acting embarrassed when someone she loved would see her in her costume, it's not wrong too for her to get jealous, rather she looked strong even though she's jealous enough she still try hard not to show it to them and accept in singing that (singing the lyrics about how her loved one love another girl.....)

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Well, honestly it's hard to believe that he was not aware of what he wrote in his own song. But in any case it is not really important that he was aware or not, if what was driving him was actually that unrequited love, is it? Consciously or unconsciously that's it. He was sublimating his feelings into his dream to perform THAT song. Because his dream is to perform on that stage with that song; IIRC Takeya gave the notebook to Touma for that reason. So singing only the other two songs was not meant to be the same for him. Or so I got. Surely Takeya gave Touma the notebook because Touma had the skills to write the music, but I think he gave it to her knowing who she was.

Anyways, I agree with you that now his dream evolved into have a successful performance, but that's because (going along with what I previously speculated) he got more than he hoped, I mean, Touma is writing the music for that song, will perform with him and he spent days and days (and nights) alone with her. If she were his unrequited love that would be a huge improvement from the period he apparently wrote those lyrics.
All in all I'm just guessing so it could be that he is not really aware of his own feelings and what not
I just thought that maybe when he wrote it he realized but he kinda forget(?) about it right now, as his goal is to perform.... And maybe he thought that his wish actually had already fulfilled even though just a bit, because he can get to play and be with the person in his dream


just like the first episode hinted when Haruki narrated it "It was the last day that the three of us can stay together as the three of us", everything will begin mostly just like how he said it
be ready to prepare a stomachache medicine
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Old 2013-11-16, 12:09   Link #731
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prepare the stomach medicine.... lol
Spoiler for ep 7 my thought:


let me summary
Spoiler for ep7:
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Old 2013-11-16, 12:17   Link #732
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First blood has been drawn

I already knew what would happen, but it was still hard to watch
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Old 2013-11-16, 13:24   Link #733
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Want the bluray so bad, the end have too many background shoot, they should add something in the bluray or it will be very awkward.

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Old 2013-11-16, 14:39   Link #734
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I think Setsuna and Kazusa are secretly Symphogears.

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Old 2013-11-16, 14:56   Link #735
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Masterpiece is only the word I could think of watching this episode.

Now this is how you do a proper romance drama, 10/10 for not dodging.
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Old 2013-11-16, 15:10   Link #736
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Adaptation going fine so far. Wonder if their going to keep it up to finish IC or just do an original anime ending
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Old 2013-11-16, 15:38   Link #737
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I doubt they'll do an anime-original ending cause they still hope it'll do good enough to animate CC.

BTW, did someone catch the easter egg at the beginning?
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Old 2013-11-16, 15:39   Link #738
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Adaptation going fine so far. Wonder if their going to keep it up to finish IC or just do an original anime ending
I believe that if they did that, a mob of fans would burn down their studios...

Setsuna gets an A+ for her move. That was beautifully done... and also, very nicely done by the story direction. I'm confident that they will deliver the second truth just as great. (And no, those with game knowledge should seriously NOT spoil it even when asked).
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Old 2013-11-16, 15:46   Link #739
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I believe that if they did that, a mob of fans would burn down their studios...

Setsuna gets an A+ for her move. That was beautifully done... and also, very nicely done by the story direction. I'm confident that they will deliver the second truth just as great. (And no, those with game knowledge should seriously NOT spoil it even when asked).
It really just depends on the sales, and if it does boost the game, they might just finish it with a 2nd season like the first White Album. Another 12 Eps would be more than enough to adapt CC and Coda.

Actually,

If they made this season 25 episodes from the start, it would have been enough. They should have done that instead

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Old 2013-11-16, 16:02   Link #740
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Quite possibly the most lyrical romance I've seen coming from this medium. This is how you adapt a great visual novel. This episode was so sweet and bittersweet at the same time.
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