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Old 2013-05-19, 02:26   Link #261
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"Stealth" Bombers are "stealth" because they have low radar signature, they aren't any less visible nor any more silent than other similar non stealth aircraft. It shouldn't matter against titans.
So in the end I agree to whoever said that helicopters would be better to fight titans. They are in fact better suited to fight ground based threats.
In truth stealth bombers are actually much more quieter than your average airliner or any other aircraft

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I'm still skeptical on guided missiles because they wouldn't be able to attack the weak point directly. The payload should be strong enough to blow up at least half of a titan to be sufficiently effective. This could be hard for 15 meters class titans.
lol man I'm pretty sure you heard of the JDAM's right thats a weapon system that can upgrade almost any bomb of any era(much cheaper than a lazer or tv guided bomb/missile) so as far as quantity goes you have no problem
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Old 2013-05-19, 09:13   Link #262
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I think I found the ultimate weapon against titans

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Old 2013-05-19, 10:37   Link #263
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Giving a 3m class a paper-cut isn't that hard, but it's not that significant either. (And she didn't use a knife, she used what was left of one of her ultra-hardened blades.)
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Old 2013-05-19, 12:00   Link #264
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That's fine with the ultra hardened blades. Just saying the momentum needed to cut through their skin isn't that high. And if their make up is very light, once cut through, it is easier to go deep. Both would favor range combat.
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Old 2013-05-19, 12:59   Link #265
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I'm wondering about something and I'm sorry if it was said before in this thread or if it's really stupid but I'm unsure about the gas thing.

I'm really not that knowledgeable about when certain things got invented etc so I'm wondering if it is possible for their current state of technology to know how to make gas or use it properly?

I'm really sorry if it's a super stupid question but I'd be really happy if someone could help me with this
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Old 2013-05-19, 13:39   Link #266
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I'm wondering about something and I'm sorry if it was said before in this thread or if it's really stupid but I'm unsure about the gas thing.

I'm really not that knowledgeable about when certain things got invented etc so I'm wondering if it is possible for their current state of technology to know how to make gas or use it properly?

I'm really sorry if it's a super stupid question but I'd be really happy if someone could help me with this
This makes me think. What kind of gas are they using?

I think they are just using compressed air, but I'm not sure.
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Old 2013-05-19, 13:46   Link #267
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@Jun : I don't see anything which required electrical engineer expertise so far so I think it is really possible, I mean farting condensed gas is not really that difficult (probably)

@SS : http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...41#post4686841

and what I mean by Mikasa is super strong woman that can break the floor and knife handle just with her grip when she was barely a normal 10yrs old little girl

after few years of training and body building, you don't know how strong and scary she can be
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Old 2013-05-19, 14:41   Link #268
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I think they are just using compressed air, but I'm not sure.
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@Jun : I don't see anything which required electrical engineer expertise so far so I think it is really possible, I mean farting condensed gas is not really that difficult (probably)
I see, thank you for the quick reply!
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Old 2013-05-19, 16:33   Link #269
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I don't know, they call it gas, but they never specified which.
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Old 2013-05-19, 18:45   Link #270
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Even if she is abnormally strong, she is still human though. And strength doesn't factor as much as into as the speed of the blade, which is gonna be limited no matter what from regular melee.
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Old 2013-05-19, 20:25   Link #271
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I don't know, they call it gas, but they never specified which.
It could be nitrogen based gas cauz their seems to be smoke trails coming out of the back when their retracting or or launching their hooks. to my knowledge compressed air dont leave smoke trails when released to outside environment.

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Even if she is abnormally strong, she is still human though. And strength doesn't factor as much as into as the speed of the blade, which is gonna be limited no matter what from regular melee.
you do realise that even though SnK setting is that of Europe it still comes from a country that invented a sword that can cut through 5 human bodies in one slice
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Old 2013-05-19, 21:58   Link #272
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It could be nitrogen based gas cauz their seems to be smoke trails coming out of the back when their retracting or or launching their hooks. to my knowledge compressed air dont leave smoke trails when released to outside environment.
Well I don't think there is that much difference between 100% nitrogen and 78% nitrogen.

If the latter doesn't leave trails, I wouldn't expect the former to do so.
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Old 2013-05-19, 22:17   Link #273
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Even if she is abnormally strong, she is still human though. And strength doesn't factor as much as into as the speed of the blade, which is gonna be limited no matter what from regular melee.
I'm 23 years old human and still cannot break knife handle with my grip

my friend, human, go to the gym everyday and cannot break knife handle with his grip

there are angular momentum take place (from how Mikasa slice that finger), it depends on angular speed which depend on Mikasa's arm strength and her upper body strength to withstand rotation. and you can see from eps 7, it also fast

adding to that factor, angle of arrival (blade) is perpendicular to the finger movement, which as we all know that moving thing is weaker if it was attacked from sides

let's not forget that finger (although it vary from titan to titan) is not really the thickest nor strongest part of human body really

adding to yankky 5 argument, samurai (standing at one point) can slice human body wearing armor into two

showing how angular momentum due to strength of upper part of body combined with super sharp blade is really terrifying combination

if you still have a problem believing how hard titan's skin is

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=294

human's head will be broken into pieces, yet titan's head are still intact there

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I know you want your theory of having archers to work but I think we have discussion and many already pointed at you before why it was obselete (space, deviant, reloading time and as Armin explained in eps 7: agility and maneuver)
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Old 2013-05-20, 01:08   Link #274
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@Anh_Minh rather not look at your post since I want avoid spoilers, but I agree some change in Tanks would be needed a bit. I still think that the Colossal Titan would pose much more difficulty ground, but prehaps I'm giving it too much credit.

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Well comparing between the two, which will likely happen IRL?

1. A Titan that could survive without eating a human for 100 hundreds and without source of nutrition? That could regenerate in a few seconds ( yeah, ok planarian could do but it has its limitations) A giant that just disappears and appears out of nowhere defying the law of physics and matter.

or

2. Beta an extraterrestrial being that came from somewhere outside Earth menacing us and kills every single thing it sees moving.



This is one I'm pointing LOls....
Okay look at it this way.

If you took Titans and BETAs, switched them around (while still keeping their abilites intact) so that Titans were the Aliens and BETA were the Titans. Would SnK Titans be more believable to you then?

Don't see why either of their abilities would matter. They're fantasy creatures first and foremost, they don't have to confirm to any physical laws, but the ones that govern them. Neither like are any of the beings on their respective worlds to begin with it.
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Old 2013-05-20, 02:49   Link #275
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Well I don't think there is that much difference between 100% nitrogen and 78% nitrogen.

If the latter doesn't leave trails, I wouldn't expect the former to do so.
Actually theres a huge help in this in what I think 3DMG possible since nitrogen gas is a much more cooler than regular air it means it expands when exposed to a warmer climate. To put this in a much simpler term for 3 tanks of compressed outside air you can get the same amount of time and power for the price of 1 nitrogen tank

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Okay look at it this way.

If you took Titans and BETAs, switched them around (while still keeping their abilites intact) so that Titans were the Aliens and BETA were the Titans. Would SnK Titans be more believable to you then?

Don't see why either of their abilities would matter. They're fantasy creatures first and foremost, they don't have to confirm to any physical laws, but the ones that govern them. Neither like are any of the beings on their respective worlds to begin with it.
I half to agree on Genji on this space is still unkown... we dont know what form of life we'll encounter in the future the BETA is just a one of those what if's in the unkown while the Titans is form of human made fiction like fairies, trolls or santa lol. All in all BETA are more likly to appear than 15m bipedal species that run on sun power

though the only point that i can support you is that life evolves so 15m being that run on light can be made but cannot be made naturally by the earth
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Actually theres a huge help in this in what I think 3DMG possible since nitrogen gas is a much more cooler than regular air it means it expands when exposed to a warmer climate. To put this in a much simpler term for 3 tanks of compressed outside air you can get the same amount of time and power for the price of 1 nitrogen tank



I half to agree on Genji on this space is still unkown... we dont know what form of life we'll encounter in the future the BETA is just a one of those what if's in the unkown while the Titans is form of human made fiction like fairies, trolls or santa lol. All in all BETA are more likly to appear than 15m bipedal species that run on sun power

though the only point that i can support you is that life evolves so 15m being that run on light can be made but cannot be made naturally by the earth
My point is that any Alien from space can come with Titan's abilities, size and still be considered as Alien as the BETA. It's not as if regenerating monsters are unique to SnK. That why feel say which one is more is kind of moot point at debating which more realistic.
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Old 2013-05-20, 03:20   Link #277
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Umm, there's an explanation for where the "gas" comes from.
But it's not in the manga.

It's from one of those "Shingeki no Kyojin special background article" column in the Bessatu magazine.

Would posting the info from there be considered spoiler? relentless?
I'm not even sure even the English manga community is aware of these.

Since it's not explained in the manga, chances are, it won't even come up in the anime. lol

The column also explains the material used for the casing and the blades.

EDIT: OH YEAH. The anime has those eye-catches between commercials for exactly something like this doesn't it.
It'll probably come up eventually then, lol
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My point is that any Alien from space can come with Titan's abilities, size and still be considered as Alien as the BETA.
No, they're monster.. Fictional Monsters that look like humans without d*cks.

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It's not as if regenerating monsters are unique to SnK.
Don't use Piccolo to support that. I don't think cell regenerates that fast... like 2 secs.

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That why feel say which one is more is kind of moot point at debating which more realistic.
It ain't bad.

Umm, there's an explanation for where the "gas" comes from.

Fart....
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Old 2013-05-20, 04:13   Link #279
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Looks like the stuff I'm talking about not only was featured in Bessatu Magazine pages, but also in the novelization of Shingeki no Kyojin "Before the Fall", chronicling the birth of the 3D maneuver equipments and early history.
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Old 2013-05-20, 07:01   Link #280
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Actually theres a huge help in this in what I think 3DMG possible since nitrogen gas is a much more cooler than regular air it means it expands when exposed to a warmer climate. To put this in a much simpler term for 3 tanks of compressed outside air you can get the same amount of time and power for the price of 1 nitrogen tank
Look, regular air for the most part nitrogen. And there is no such thing as a gas that is intrinsically cooler. You don't find liquid nitrogen in nature, you need to cool it off artificially. We don't even know if in this world they have refrigerating technology and they probably don't.
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