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Old 2013-08-17, 11:37   Link #1161
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There's nothing inherently sexual about it, but the way the shots were taken and the timing of them, that's what sexualized it.
I"m not trying to generalize fujioshi...hell, I admit I can sometimes be bad...but if you put one male character next to another male character, people will find a way to ship it
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Old 2013-08-17, 12:08   Link #1162
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The "mouth-to-mouth" aspect of CPR has been sexualized for a very long time. At least as far back as the 80s, probably farther. It transcends anime, and it transcends different cultures.

It all depends on how you execute it - If it's fast, snappy, done to intense BGM, then viewers will see at as a serious life-saving scene (or, if it fails, a death scene). If it's slow, and with a close-up zoom on the lips, then it's being sexualized. Here it was slow and with a close-up zoom - So yeah, sexualized. It helps that this show is definitely not dark enough to kill off a main cast member, so you know that Makoto is pulling through.
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Old 2013-08-17, 14:41   Link #1163
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The "mouth-to-mouth" aspect of CPR has been sexualized for a very long time. At least as far back as the 80s, probably farther. It transcends anime, and it transcends different cultures.

It all depends on how you execute it - If it's fast, snappy, done to intense BGM, then viewers will see at as a serious life-saving scene (or, if it fails, a death scene). If it's slow, and with a close-up zoom on the lips, then it's being sexualized. Here it was slow and with a close-up zoom - So yeah, sexualized. It helps that this show is definitely not dark enough to kill off a main cast member, so you know that Makoto is pulling through.
It's not sexy if you go thru the training. You basically have to use barriers now to protect yourself from disease transmission and it's very tiring to do for long periods of time. Basically, I think that it's places that don't have to worry about disease transmission are sexualizing it. It's very reckless and irresponsible to sexualize CPR imo.
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Old 2013-08-17, 14:46   Link #1164
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Basically, I think that it's places that don't have to worry about disease transmission are sexualizing it. It's very reckless to sexualize CPR imo.
Yeah. Once one learns about how important it is, the sexualization in media ended up looking very irresponsible in making CPR trivial. The only reason you would do CPR is if the person is DYING. If the person is clearly going to live, you just put him or her in the recovery position. The use of CPR as a comical gag just doesn't seem right after seeing it from the other side.
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Old 2013-08-17, 15:27   Link #1165
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most people here might already knew this but, here is the full version of the ending.

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Old 2013-08-17, 18:55   Link #1166
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Hmm I really like Makoto infact he is my favourite but he backstory was kinda lame.
the cpr scene wouldnt be so bad since its to save life but the overall theme emphasize the sexual content behind it.
Our society in general is way too sexualized we have even dirty thoughts seeing a woman eating a banana.
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Old 2013-08-19, 14:41   Link #1167
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Hmm I really like Makoto infact he is my favourite but he backstory was kinda lame.
the cpr scene wouldnt be so bad since its to save life but the overall theme emphasize the sexual content behind it.
Our society in general is way too sexualized we have even dirty thoughts seeing a woman eating a banana.
Yes, I quite agree. What has society come to, since a fanservice anime dares to sexualize situations that have been sexualized for decades. Why, some impressionable young woman might take her CPR tips from Free, and then think she knows how to perform CPR in real life, and then lives could be lost! This is very serious, we must alert somebody! The Japanese government, perhaps! The solution is, of course, for anime aimed at women never to sexualize anything. Buckle up, girls, from next season we will all be watching wonderfully thoughtful anime like Valrave, which never sexualizes anything objectionable like rape, for example. Oh, wait.

Anyway, I took a break from anime for a month and then marathoned Free!, and holy crackers, it's even gayer than the first episode made me think it would be. I haven't rooted for a male couple since No6, but boy am I doing it now. Well, no one is getting together for real, but there's so much subtext it practically doesn't matter. By the way, I thought Nagisa would end up as the "weepy uke" out of the bunch, but unexpectedly it's Rei. That was some plot twist.

I thought I would be watching Free for the beefcake - and luckily there's plenty of that - but the plot is actually engaging and the characters sweet. Haru is a bit of a cold fish and therefore a little boring, but I liked him the last couple of episodes when he melted a bit and started fussing over Makoto.
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Old 2013-08-19, 14:47   Link #1168
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Hmm I really like Makoto infact he is my favourite but he backstory was kinda lame.
the cpr scene wouldnt be so bad since its to save life but the overall theme emphasize the sexual content behind it.
Our society in general is way too sexualized we have even dirty thoughts seeing a woman eating a banana.
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But if it was two chicks doing CPR, people will be going 'THATS HOT'.
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Old 2013-08-19, 21:51   Link #1169
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But if it was two chicks doing CPR, people will be going 'THATS HOT'.
That people watched too much porn as they cant take this seriously.
maybe in not too serious situations or in ecchi animes but if someone is dying the focus should be on saving the life not some random fantasy.
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Old 2013-08-20, 01:47   Link #1170
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Maybe in not too serious situations or in ecchi animes but if someone is dying the focus should be on saving the life not some random fantasy.
You do realize Free is basically the female equivalent of ecchi animes?
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Old 2013-08-20, 02:10   Link #1171
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You do realize Free is basically the female equivalent of ecchi animes?
I'll consider it ecchi if one our two female characters in the anime are constantly peeking as the four are changing into their swimwear and the angles are always focus on their biceps, triceps, chest, butt, abs and shoulders.....

Wait.. I'm already seeing those...
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But if it was two chicks doing CPR, people will be going 'THATS HOT'.
That will keep me awake throughout the night....
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Old 2013-08-20, 04:55   Link #1172
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Quick question: I'm a boy and I'm not really into "gay stuff". Is Free! worth a watch?
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Old 2013-08-20, 09:10   Link #1173
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its only gay stuff if you're insecure about your sexuality.
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Old 2013-08-20, 09:55   Link #1174
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Quick question: I'm a boy and I'm not really into "gay stuff". Is Free! worth a watch?
If you like to see guys being together, training for a swim competition, having buddy moments, then you should have fun. If you love water animation effects, you'll really have fun. Nobody does water better than KyoAni.
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Old 2013-08-21, 06:52   Link #1175
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Quick question: I'm a boy and I'm not really into "gay stuff". Is Free! worth a watch?
It's as gay as a bunch of effeminate guys having a mud fight and dry-humping eachother.
I'd only recommend it if you're curious about what kind of guys otaku girls fantasize about.
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Old 2013-08-21, 06:57   Link #1176
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It's as gay as a bunch of effeminate guys having a mud fight and dry-humping eachother.
I'd only recommend it if you're curious about what kind of guys otaku girls fantasize about.
Aren't you being a bit unfair? It doesn't go that far.
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Old 2013-08-21, 07:23   Link #1177
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The free is for gays thing is just being blown out of proportion.
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Old 2013-08-21, 07:32   Link #1178
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Imagine the K-On girls gender-bent, now with a passion for swimming instead of music/eating cake, and all given bodies comparable to a lean and fit pro wrestler.

I'd also say it's to yaoi what Love Live! is to yuri - There's enough subtext there that you can see it if you want to, but there's also enough ambiguity there that you can dismiss it if you want to. Given that KyoAni very rarely goes as far as a kiss with any of its romances, I doubt you'll see anything all that clear-cut here in Free! either.
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Old 2013-08-21, 08:02   Link #1179
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Aren't you being a bit unfair? It doesn't go that far.
It doesn't simply because the female audiences would find it too crude like that. Instead it has guys getting into each other's faces and touching each other too much, admiring each other's well tones bodies, blushing at each other's* compliments etc. All of these create an impression that you're watching a bunch of supermodels making eyes at the audience of the opposite sex instead of actual people and the rest of the story isn't exactly interesting or innovative enough to hold interest once sexy manly chest stays caged in a shirt for more than two minutes.
Not saying the show is bad, but there's a very clear audience for it and it isn't guys.

*Can I just say how much I appreciate that in my language "each other" consists of two letters?
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Old 2013-08-21, 09:24   Link #1180
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Given that KyoAni very rarely goes as far as a kiss with any of its romances, I doubt you'll see anything all that clear-cut here in Free! either.
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The free is for gays thing is just being blown out of proportion.
Girls just can't have fun anymore. The minute guys are exposed to the same sort of gender portrayal that girls are, their shorts get tied up in a wad. So girls like to see their males sculpted, good personalities, cute, smart, sensitive and strong. If the guys are getting defensive, then get a clue and improve yourselves.
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