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Old 2013-09-26, 00:05   Link #1401
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Iwatobi+Rin did win the relay. I suppose it is possible that Rin's butterfly leg time was astonishing enough that his captain didn't want to dump Rin for the stunt. (And they put Samezuka's captain in the end card.)
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Old 2013-09-26, 00:32   Link #1402
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Meanwhile, people who treat their friends great are needing saving and no one lifts a finger. The world is very cruel.
I felt bad for Rei in the last few minutes of the show, indeed. The guy needs to ditch swimming and start starring in his own fabulous figure-skating show. Screw Rin and his friends. Be awesome and fab on your own, Rei!

It was such a show of great character that he was able to sacrifice for a guy he didn't even like much for his friends....


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These boys could always go back to regional and even on to nationals if they wanted to, but they only had one shot to get their friend back. Rin was more important to them then any sort of race. Rin discovered this as well after his win against Haru. He realized that his triumph was hollow without his friends being there, which is why he went into the relay, so that in his own way he could swim with them.

Now, I know I'm not going to convince you of anything, just as you're not going to convince me. So we just have our own opinions. Just as simple as that.
And that's fine I get this part. They thought it was the only way they could get to Rin and I see where they're coming from.

Randomly, I think what bothered me most about this finale is that it sort of cemented that Rin was The Character of this show. This show was basically "Rin and His Gigantic Issues" and how everyone is basically just a tool to get him to go find his good side again. There was just too much emphasis on his character arc, even when we got to Haru's character development arc, it still felt like The Rin show.

Seeing his character arc end without him really pulling any weight towards it ... it feels like the writers had just been too biased to him.

Haru learned to put an effort into noticing his friends, to talk more, to be more supportive. Rei manned up and dealt with his feelings of being a replacement by confronting Rin. Makoto and Nagisa.... well, they sort of didn't really get any character development going on in the same level as Haru and Rei and Rin. In contrast Rin ... I don't know, Rin just did his thing, acted out, moped, and it was just sort of.... so self-centered.

I think seeing him stop and go "What about you, Rei?" to show that he's not all about just himself would've gone a long way towards making it seem like he... I don't know, learned something before suddenly being warm and fluffy again in the end and thinking about his team?
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Old 2013-09-26, 01:03   Link #1403
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It ended. Nah, I'll might forget this anime soon enough.
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Old 2013-09-26, 01:25   Link #1404
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I felt bad for Rei in the last few minutes of the show, indeed. The guy needs to ditch swimming and start starring in his own fabulous figure-skating show. Screw Rin and his friends. Be awesome and fab on your own, Rei!

It was such a show of great character that he was able to sacrifice for a guy he didn't even like much for his friends....




And that's fine I get this part. They thought it was the only way they could get to Rin and I see where they're coming from.

Randomly, I think what bothered me most about this finale is that it sort of cemented that Rin was The Character of this show. This show was basically "Rin and His Gigantic Issues" and how everyone is basically just a tool to get him to go find his good side again. There was just too much emphasis on his character arc, even when we got to Haru's character development arc, it still felt like The Rin show.

Seeing his character arc end without him really pulling any weight towards it ... it feels like the writers had just been too biased to him.

Haru learned to put an effort into noticing his friends, to talk more, to be more supportive. Rei manned up and dealt with his feelings of being a replacement by confronting Rin. Makoto and Nagisa.... well, they sort of didn't really get any character development going on in the same level as Haru and Rei and Rin. In contrast Rin ... I don't know, Rin just did his thing, acted out, moped, and it was just sort of.... so self-centered.

I think seeing him stop and go "What about you, Rei?" to show that he's not all about just himself would've gone a long way towards making it seem like he... I don't know, learned something before suddenly being warm and fluffy again in the end and thinking about his team?
He might have learned that being an ass has consequences... except it totally didn't. He still got to swim with his friends, he still got a spot on his school's swimming team, he's still got a puppy kouhai.
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Old 2013-09-26, 02:01   Link #1405
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He might have learned that being an ass has consequences... except it totally didn't. He still got to swim with his friends, he still got a spot on his school's swimming team, he's still got a puppy kouhai.
You know, to be that fly on the wall and see what his Samezuka team mates think of him after what he pulled... except, wait. Didn't they cheer for him anyway when he swam for another team?
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Old 2013-09-26, 02:25   Link #1406
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What a piece of crap ending. Couldn't they have at least animated the swimming instead of this surrealistic nonsense?

And yeah, it seems like Rei was the butt monkey third wheel character to the very end. Even gave up his spot on the team so everyone could come together for that relay. Rin only wanted to swim with his friends. Apparently we spent 12 episodes on that lone story line. How ridiculous.

Terrible characters, terrible story. Fujiyoshi pandering makes for a nice financial success, but Free! has got to be the most utterly vapid thing I have watched all year. Too bad all signs point to this getting a second season like K-ON! I would accuse Kyoani of being creatively bankrupt if it were not for things like Hyouka, so instead I just have to ask... Couldn't they have made anything that was remotely challenging to its viewers in content? Beef cake is cool and all, but I wish they gave even a little attention to the other aspects of this show.

And yes I was laughing at how pathetic Rin was in this episode.
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Old 2013-09-26, 06:36   Link #1407
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Iwatobi+Rin did win the relay. I suppose it is possible that Rin's butterfly leg time was astonishing enough that his captain didn't want to dump Rin for the stunt.
He probably was astonishingly good there. Even so, the Samezuka captain forgave him just a bit too easily, given that he kicked him out of the Samezuka relay team for not having enough team spirit. I think it could have worked if he said "We won't kick you out, but we won't let you race in competitions until we think you're willing to swim like that for our team. Swim like that for us!". Which wouldn't have affected the rest of the story.
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Old 2013-09-26, 08:13   Link #1408
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I loved the ending episode. Everything -- characters, motivations, events, consequences, they all worked for me. From the beginning to the end, Free! has been an unexpected delight. I expected something enjoyable but extremely shallow. Something more like a fanfiction PWP to be honest. The series was much deeper than I thought it would be. If there's a US release (please, oh please, let there be a US release and in Blu-ray while I'm begging), I'm signing up for the pre-order.
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Old 2013-09-26, 09:39   Link #1409
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Interesting how everyone was in a good mood except for Rin.
He was totally plagued by his past with Haru and others.
Rin finally managed to snap... not a surprise, was bound to happen.
That guy is such a moody character that can't seem to let go of the past.
Rin - Haru bromance reached it's peak in this episode.
In the end, Rin just needed his old friends back to swim with him.
All in all, a nice anime. Would like to see another season of this.
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Old 2013-09-26, 10:03   Link #1410
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Rei truly embodied "for the team", didn't he?
Too bad he was the only one. The others swimmed "for Rin".

Count me in among those who didn't like the final episode. I hated the way they resolved Rin's issue. Puu summed up why really well. I don't even like Rei all that much and even I was bothered by the way he was treated. All this pretty talk about him being part of the team, and yet he wasn't even allowed to swim with his teammates because Rin was throwing a tantrum. I feel bad for him.

7/10 for the whole series. Might have rated it 8 if the final episode hadn't been so terrible. It was surprisingly enjoyable.
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Old 2013-09-26, 10:14   Link #1411
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Reck, I'm not going to address all your points, because I see both sides of the Rei/Rin debate and I definitely think this show is an "acquired taste" for those outside the target demographic, and so it won't fly with everyone. But there's one point you made that I found a bit odd.

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Couldn't they have at least animated the swimming instead of this surrealistic nonsense?
But they already did animate the swimming in a very naturalistic way. During the relay victory in the Regionals. They also did this for the Haru vs. Rin races.

This is the finale, so they have to do something to spice it up a bit. Plus, using symbolic imagery during major competitions is nothing new for sports anime. Saki does it all the time, for example.
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Old 2013-09-26, 10:32   Link #1412
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That was a sweet ending. No matter what school they are at they are all on the same team. Friends forever.

Rei did the right thing imo.
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Old 2013-09-26, 10:54   Link #1413
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Loved the anime and I personally really liked the ending.

Props to Rei for what he did. People have to remember Rei's reasons for wanting to swim in the first place, to look beautiful and to have fun with friends. We all saw how Haru was after he heard Rin's tantrum about how he's not going to swim anymore. If Rei didn't step up, they all would have been swimming miserably, not looking beautiful in the process. It was a sacrifice he made by his own will but he knew it was the right thing to do to solve this problem we've been watching the entire season. Rather than prolong the problem between them and Rin, he decided to let it get solved that day and his opportunity would come next time.

As for Rin, he got all his consequences for his actions, it was because he had good friends that after those consequences he was able to remain on his feet with a smile on his face. I was happy for him, and as much as I felt bad for Rei, I pretty much explained why he was better off letting Rin have this one in the first paragraph.
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Old 2013-09-26, 12:51   Link #1414
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But they already did animate the swimming in a very naturalistic way. During the relay victory in the Regionals. They also did this for the Haru vs. Rin races.

This is the finale, so they have to do something to spice it up a bit. Plus, using symbolic imagery during major competitions is nothing new for sports anime. Saki does it all the time, for example.
They have to spice it up? They're facing tougher competition than they were there, and this time with Rin. That's enough spice and motivation. They should've at least acquainted the audience with some of the other opponents because this race was against totally anonymous swimmers. And symbolism is cool and all, but not when it constitutes like half of the entire race. Then it just becomes corny.
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Old 2013-09-26, 14:05   Link #1415
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With all that is said and done. I'm ok with the ending. Could've been written better. But seriously the character animation in this episode blew my god damn mind.

It's like ep 21 of Hyouka again. Utsumi's storyboard + Kawanami's direction. Awesome ensues. For me it really shows that Utsumi has a strong grasp of tensest scenarios. That hallway scenes just transitioned flawlessly.

Whilst I did enjoy this, I'm not really rooting for another season but seeing it's inevitable with how successful this is. I guess it's ok. I'd rather they adapt other stuff from their LN.
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Old 2013-09-26, 14:25   Link #1416
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I gracefully disagree with almost all your points and stand by what I said. I think that Rin's psychological and emotional well-being needed the confidence boost and that he had been suffering all this time from being away from his friends and yet was too damaged and stubborn to admit it, even to himself. I think that he did learn what he needed to, even if that fact was gratefully inferred rather than told to us and shoved in our face. He was a teenager acting out because of deep-seated self-esteem issues. That's not that unusual. And most teens learn not when being punished, but rather when given the correct support they need.

Also, I gave this up as a sports anime long ago, it's has long been more about the relationship of these boys. and the swimming just provided plot support and the setting. This was about the friendship and relationship that all 5 shared while they learned a sport that solidified their feelings towards each other. These boys could always go back to regional and even on to nationals if they wanted to, but they only had one shot to get their friend back. Rin was more important to them then any sort of race. Rin discovered this as well after his win against Haru. He realized that his triumph was hollow without his friends being there, which is why he went into the relay, so that in his own way he could swim with them.

Now, I know I'm not going to convince you of anything, just as you're not going to convince me. So we just have our own opinions. Just as simple as that.

Now that I think about it, I guess it was inevitable that Rin would swim with them one last time regardless.

I'm just butthurt because I really like Rei I guess

Oh well. Still one of my favorites this year so far. And season two should be interesting.
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Old 2013-09-26, 16:43   Link #1417
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Rei did the only thing he could have done. I think no other action he could have taken would have given the same result. His teammates were just too hung up on the past to truly care about their relay and would've probably failed.
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Old 2013-09-26, 16:52   Link #1418
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I wonder where that magazine that turned up during the closing credits with the special on "Marin" came from. Someone break into the Coach's stash?
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Old 2013-09-26, 19:24   Link #1419
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Kuromitsu and Puu basically said what I came here to say far more clearly than I probably could, but I'm still commenting because I need to express the huge hate-on I have for this episode somehow.

It's like the scriptwriter position was suddenly hijacked by an extreme Rin fan. Everything goes his way through no effort or growth whatsoever on his part, everyone loves him, accommodates him and does the impossible to solve his own issues for him. I half expected for him to win the lottery at the end or something.

Meanwhile Rei, who's been a decent friend and teammate throughout, gets... confirmation that he really is the fifth wheel and that everyone prefers Rin to him.

This is not an emotionally satisfying solution to me, and has soured me on both the show and the characters. I will probably give a try to any other female-aimed shows Kyoani makes in the future, but a Free! sequel with Rin in it doesn't seem appealing at all right now. :/
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Old 2013-09-26, 19:34   Link #1420
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Reading criticisms of this ending reminds me quite vividly of the times when I'd be pissed off that a harsh, seemingly unappreciative tsundere won out over a nice, pleasant girl in an anime love triangle.

I'm oddly not sure where to go with this observation, but I find it interesting nonetheless. Rin's behavior isn't terribly different from a tsundere. Heck, he even can get a bit physical at times. I will say that I think the anime took it too far in having Rin actually swing a punch at Haru.
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