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Old 2004-04-20, 20:07   Link #41
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I believe this was discussed in detail before in a previous thread if you do a search. The consense of that seemed to be:

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Not much of a spoiler but simply the move is not in the anime yet.

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Post a link? I'm having some trouble finding it. Or maybe just basically tell me why anybody would think there was a mistake? It looked like a pretty straightforward statement to me.
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Old 2004-04-20, 23:45   Link #42
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Post a link? I'm having some trouble finding it. Or maybe just basically tell me why anybody would think there was a mistake? It looked like a pretty straightforward statement to me.
Give me a couple of days sorry. I have exams and if I remember it properly it's a very very very long thread (in the range of 20 pages). But search for Rasanga, you should be able to find it.

It looks straightforward to me too. But I am not japanese nor do I read/write well so I merely listened.

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Old 2004-04-21, 08:36   Link #43
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Post a link? I'm having some trouble finding it. Or maybe just basically tell me why anybody would think there was a mistake? It looked like a pretty straightforward statement to me.
i think Epyon got it wrong there is no mistake as i remember. But Shadamehr what you say is wrong a Jutsu's diffuculty won't change cuz of using 2 or more hands.
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Old 2004-04-21, 09:07   Link #44
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Old 2004-04-21, 09:53   Link #45
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Well we really wont know, until we get a good translation, or someone who speaks/knows japanese can tell us , I for one hope he hasn't mastered the rasengan , i mean he does it with 2 hands i want him doing it with 1 hand, also im thinking that he definately hasnt mastered it yet because, if it was mastered im sure it would be a whole lot more powerful i think naruto is at the beginning stages and hopefully what tsunade was saying was that he "learned" it maybe not masterd it in a week.
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Old 2004-04-21, 10:03   Link #46
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The problem with Naruto's Rasengan isn't that he hasn't mastered it. It is because of his lack of chakra control. we know another person who has mastered it and he was once the strongest nin in the village. We can therefore assume that his chakra control is great. Where Naruto's is loosy as has been stated by more than one person. If he would learn how to fully control the Nine-Tails power and the push it into a rasengan he would own everybody that came close to him. For now he has to deal with a Rasengan containing less chakra.

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Old 2004-04-21, 12:25   Link #47
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Shadamehr, you remember the link of the thread I gave you for the Raikiri/Chidori difference?

There was also a discussion about this point into it, and yeah the manga states that the Rasengan is 6 levels above the next A-rank jutsu, not some kind of unknown steps.
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Old 2004-04-21, 13:33   Link #48
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Ah, ok I found it. I guess you're right, Naruto's Rasengan is 6 ranks above. Does anybody know if that "Usengan" thing was just a typo then?

EDIT: Wait, there's another section later in the manga where Jiraiya explicitly says that 'learning' the rasengan comes in 6 'stages'. This discussion only addresses the mistranslation of '6 grades above the second'. Any discussions on this?
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Old 2004-04-21, 14:12   Link #49
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well uhhhh
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Old 2004-04-21, 14:51   Link #50
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Ya'll forgetting who Naruto and Sasuke are. AKA The Shotokan brothers, AKA Ryu & Ken.

Meaning that no matter how strong one of them is, the other will be just as strong. Doesn't matter if Naruto has the Kyubi doesn't matter if he has 15 Kyubi, Sasuke would know and he'd find a way out of it. They're rivals, not just friends, that's one of the reasons why Sasuke is in the predicment he is now in the manga. So I'd say neither would win in the fight.
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Old 2004-04-21, 15:00   Link #51
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Ya'll forgetting who Naruto and Sasuke are. AKA The Shotokan brothers, AKA Ryu & Ken.

Meaning that no matter how strong one of them is, the other will be just as strong. Doesn't matter if Naruto has the Kyubi doesn't matter if he has 15 Kyubi, Sasuke would know and he'd find a way out of it. They're rivals, not just friends, that's one of the reasons why Sasuke is in the predicment he is now in the manga. So I'd say neither would win in the fight.
Ryu was stronger than Ken
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Old 2004-04-21, 15:08   Link #52
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Ya'll forgetting who Naruto and Sasuke are. AKA The Shotokan brothers, AKA Ryu & Ken.

Meaning that no matter how strong one of them is, the other will be just as strong. Doesn't matter if Naruto has the Kyubi doesn't matter if he has 15 Kyubi, Sasuke would know and he'd find a way out of it. They're rivals, not just friends, that's one of the reasons why Sasuke is in the predicment he is now in the manga. So I'd say neither would win in the fight.
Played to much street fighter ? :P
Oh and yes... Sasukes lvl 2 seal is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away from Kyubis power! So if Naruto had 15 Kyubis innside of him.... eehm... yes really can't imagine that kinda power! But Naruto at his strongest will surely beat Sasuke at his strongest thats no doubt...
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Old 2004-04-21, 15:09   Link #53
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Ya'll forgetting who Naruto and Sasuke are. AKA The Shotokan brothers, AKA Ryu & Ken.

Meaning that no matter how strong one of them is, the other will be just as strong. Doesn't matter if Naruto has the Kyubi doesn't matter if he has 15 Kyubi, Sasuke would know and he'd find a way out of it. They're rivals, not just friends, that's one of the reasons why Sasuke is in the predicment he is now in the manga. So I'd say neither would win in the fight.

That comparison is perfect if you putted it in other terms because like Nine Devil said Ryu was stronger than Ken.
Ryu is Stronger than Ken, Naruto is Stronger than Sasuke because they are pretty much the main character.
Ryu has is Satsu no Hadou, and Naruto has is Kyubi.
So they are somewhat similar.
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Old 2004-04-21, 15:36   Link #54
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Ryu is NOT stronger then Ken and Ken is NOT stronger then Ryu. Don't look at Ryu & Ken from the anime/manga point of view since ALL the stories revolve around the same exact plot and over emphasis the usage of a hadoken (execpt for Alpha but same concept). And of course in those Ryu will be stronger since he's a fan favorite, and Japanese.

But everyone is missing my point completely.

Ryu went the way of spiritual discovery and mastered the hadouken.

Ken went the way of physical training and mastered the shoryuken.

But in a fight neither has the advantage, and both continue to excel as friends and rivals.


Same exact thing in Naruto, imo. No matter how strong Naruto to *is* at the time, Sasuke will be able to take him out on even ground. So if Naruto had 15 Kyubi, Sasuke would have 15 whatever equlivants, and be on the same level. Thats my example. And yes, when Naruto and Sasuke fought on the roof, Naruto was WAY stronger, but in the beginning Sasuke was the same compared to Naruto. And now Sasuke is trying to even up the playing field, just like Ryu & Ken. So when they *really* fight, it'll be a tie.

But if you really wanna get anal about whose stronger (Ryu & Ken) in-game. In Street Fighter 3rd Strike (the latest verison). Ken is top tier while Ryu is mid tier.

Meaning Ken is way stronger then Ryu.
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Old 2004-04-21, 16:15   Link #55
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Yeah but this has nothing to do with Ken and Ryu if you want to talk about them make a thread this is a whole different world and timeframe, so theres no way you can compare freakin streetfighter characters with naruto characters, so take it elsewhere and lets get back to the sasuke vrs naruto discussion
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Old 2004-04-21, 16:45   Link #56
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For me if they bith use their cheat (sasuke : seal and naruto: kiuby) Naruto win
because those 4 nins used the second level of the seal and are beaten anyway!!

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sorry but how to use spoiler? and what is a spoiler?
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Old 2004-04-21, 16:50   Link #57
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hakunamatata perhaps you should edit your post and had spoiler tags because you are giving some spoilers away in a thread that doesn't say manga.
To answer your questions.
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Old 2004-04-21, 16:51   Link #58
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Same exact thing in Naruto, imo. No matter how strong Naruto to *is* at the time, Sasuke will be able to take him out on even ground. So if Naruto had 15 Kyubi, Sasuke would have 15 whatever equlivants, and be on the same level. Thats my example. And yes, when Naruto and Sasuke fought on the roof, Naruto was WAY stronger, but in the beginning Sasuke was the same compared to Naruto. And now Sasuke is trying to even up the playing field, just like Ryu & Ken. So when they *really* fight, it'll be a tie.
Tho be a Hokage means to be the strongest Ninja in the village... So if Naruto will become hokage(And he will! That is what the serie is all about) he have and WILL beat Sasuke nothing can compare to Kyubis power when used at full! Not even itachis power can be compared to Kyubis power. Even orochimaru said something like
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Tho be a Hokage means to be the strongest Ninja in the village... So if Naruto will become hokage(And he will! That is what the serie is all about) he have and WILL beat Sasuke nothing can compare to Kyubis power when used at full! Not even itachis power can be compared to Kyubis power. Even orochimaru said something like
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Old 2004-04-21, 17:39   Link #60
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Actually not a single Shinobi can compare to Kyubi.
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