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Old 2013-07-06, 17:25   Link #81
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Ofcourse he isn't Madara, but Madara had told him things that nobody else but Madara knew. And people knew that there's no way anyone but Madara could know that. So in my opinion it still holds up, Obito knew things people thought only the real Madara could have known.
that knowledge could have been explained in several ways. aside from tobi 'being' madara, he could have been madara's apprentice (which he turned out to be). he could have also been izuna, or any extremely powerful ninja from that age or older like even the RS or one of his sons. it could have also been anyone who found more tablets like we've seen in the uchiha shrine or the uzumaki shrine that were perhaps left behind by the RS or his sons. point being, super geniuses like itachi and minato should be thinking more outside the box.

that or obito fooled them, which is my point from the start

i mean itachi even knew obito was calling himself 'tobi' and he still didnt catch on
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Old 2013-07-06, 17:37   Link #82
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oh yea. that's correct. thanks. still though, they both knew obito for what it's worth. i guess obito's lineage is still a mystery (if it even winds up mattering or not)
no prob. but obito being kagami son is something that ive wanted for awhile. 4 of 6 mangekyou users are brothers so i'd like it if obito and shisui were brothers (it could add another degree of how itachi knows obito). but as you mention obito's lineage may not wind up mattering. what i would like some insight on is madara and nagatos relationship. we see in this chapter the flashback in which madara tells obito that he will repay madara someday insinuating with his own life, but madaras rinnegan was already "entrusted" to someone else (nagato) at that time. and at least twice it has been spelled out that nagato was the one who would resurrect madara so this is confusing me.

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Old 2013-07-06, 18:37   Link #83
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Anyone think there is a possibility that Obito deliberately threw his fight with Kakashi in order to create the current situation?
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Old 2013-07-06, 18:47   Link #84
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Anyone think there is a possibility that Obito deliberately threw his fight with Kakashi in order to create the current situation?
as naruto pointed out, it was obitos plan all along to become the jinchuriki...
that said, yes he deliberately threw the fight against kakashi, but i personally am unsure why...

(hopefully not the scenario where itachi keeps sasuke alive in order to die by his hands)
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Old 2013-07-07, 16:07   Link #85
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but everyone in the world isn't a super genius. we've just established that only itachi and minato really have a right to that title.
Shikamaru and his over 200 I.Q. say hello. How many times has Kishi fanboyed his over the top genius? Hell, Shikaku was more of a super genius than Minato. He just lacked his drive and talent. But his intelligence was without measure.

And it is not so much that Obito is a genius. It is that he is incredibly obsessed and determined. That can make up for a lot.

Anyway, I truly expect Obito to now try and teach Naruto Uchiha emo suffering by killing the things he loves. He still wants to prove a point. Expect Naruto's buddies to be targets.
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Old 2013-07-07, 22:26   Link #86
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Shikamaru and his over 200 I.Q. say hello. How many times has Kishi fanboyed his over the top genius? Hell, Shikaku was more of a super genius than Minato. He just lacked his drive and talent. But his intelligence was without measure.
well this goes back to the meaning of genius in naruto. put itachi and minato against an unknown super powerful opponent and they can probably come up with something on the fly. put shikamaru in that same situation and he's dead whether he figured out the opponent or not, he couldn't do anything about it to win by himself. yes, him and shukaku are the most intelligent characters sure. but in naruto, being a genius means more than that. it means scope of techniques, ability to learn and adapt and of course intelligence as well. all debatable sure, but as far as this discussion has gone, it's been about more than an iq test
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Old 2013-07-08, 05:45   Link #87
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Obito's identity didn't matter to anyone but the fans guessing who he was.Madara or not he was still a threat before he told anyone that.Do you think he would have been ignored or not taking seriously if he had not said he was Madara?Maybe they wouldn't have formed an alliance "it's ok guys it's not madara,go home".I'm not disputing Obito's insane genius,i just don't think his playing Madara is the best example of it.
What about Orochimaru is he at Willie Coyote super genius status?

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Old 2013-07-08, 07:08   Link #88
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Here is a question. Back some time ago Kisame saw Obito remove his mask and Kisame acknowledged him as Madara? WTF?
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Old 2013-07-08, 07:20   Link #89
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Here is a question. Back some time ago Kisame saw Obito remove his mask and Kisame acknowledged him as Madara? WTF?
That's one example of Madara's identity having some weight,at least toward an individual.After Nagato died Tobbi took on leadership,Kisame not knowing anything was like who are you to be leader.Apparently Obito was playing Madara for sometime and revealed himself to kisame years earlier.Kisame not knowing either Madara or Obito from dirt was convinced.
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Old 2013-07-08, 07:55   Link #90
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But Obito doesn't look like Madara or was Kisame convinced it was Madara because Obito showed off his Sharingan?
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Old 2013-07-08, 07:55   Link #91
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It's either the presence of the Sharingan itself or a Genjutsu.
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Old 2013-07-08, 11:04   Link #92
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Apparently Obito was playing Madara for sometime and revealed himself to kisame years earlier.Kisame not knowing either Madara or Obito from dirt was convinced.
he was. he was 'madara' back when he first recruited kisame into akatsuki. but that said, kisame should know 'madara from dirt' there's a giant statue of him at the VotE and it looks nothing like obito. therefore, i can only assume it's a genjutsu obito used to convince kisame he was madara in the first place
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Old 2013-07-08, 16:26   Link #93
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You know those Uchia all look alike.With his messed up face he could have said he was Kisame's mother.Anyways if Kisame is as smart as you he would realize that an aged Madara wouldn't look like the statue no more.But seriously,i do believe he used genjutsu i just didn't say so cause i figured you guys could put two and two together.Oh wait this is the forum where that person went insane cause i didn't want to explain something,sorry then.

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Old 2013-07-08, 17:33   Link #94
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i can only assume it's a genjutsu obito used to convince kisame he was madara in the first place
So either Tobi kept using that on Kisame or it doesn't make sense. Kisame was told by this "madara" guy that he will save him from this world of lies and deception, and then suddenly he learns that it's probably not Madara because he looks completely different. Which would mean he was deceived by the masked guy. Of course if Tobi kept his genjutsu on Kisame then he would have to look like Madara to kisame while he is playing the idiot Tobi, which is not possible because Kisame would know that others should recognize Madara. Kisame was also paired with the master of genjutsu (in fact he knew what was going on with Deidara when he was trapped into Itachi's genjutsu, he also knew of tsukiyomi and it's effects which is kinda odd since that's something very rare and secret), it would not make much sense that he is fooled by some lower level genjutsu all the time.
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Old 2013-07-08, 17:37   Link #95
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I thought he removed his mask and Kisame acknowledged him as the third Mizukage, not Madara?
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Old 2013-07-08, 18:27   Link #96
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i just didn't say so cause i figured you guys could put two and two together.Oh wait this is the forum where that person went insane cause i didn't want to explain something,sorry then.
silly troll. you're comments are usually among the least interesting and pointless. go away please

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So either Tobi kept using that on Kisame or it doesn't make sense. ... it would not make much sense that he is fooled by some lower level genjutsu all the time.
why is it so far-fetched that he used it twice? when he recruited him and when he revealed his face to him. the other times he was in kisame's presence and/or with other ninjas around, he had his mask on. kisame wasn't an idiot, but i assume he wasn't very good against genjutsu. he treated itachi like his superior and pretty much just did whatever itachi wanted. my only thought about that is that it's because he knew itachi would beat him easily with genjutsu if he ever wanted

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I thought he removed his mask and Kisame acknowledged him as the third Mizukage, not Madara?
he addressed him as both iirc. when the conversation ended, kisame called him madara-san
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Old 2013-07-08, 18:55   Link #97
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silly troll. you're comments are usually among the least interesting and pointless. go away please

I was answering a question,sorry.You're right a simple point can be made simply,so if the way i say things has too much pazazz for you i apologise again.I just said Kisame was convinced earlier in the story, and i did not elaborate on how.And even though Tobi may have used a genjitsu on Kisame it's more speculative than to think Kisame wouldn't recognise Madara at that time walking down the street.
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Old 2013-07-08, 18:55   Link #98
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Anyway, I truly expect Obito to now try and teach Naruto Uchiha emo suffering by killing the things he loves. He still wants to prove a point. Expect Naruto's buddies to be targets.
i actually kinda expect him to turn on madara first...prolly wont tho
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Old 2013-07-08, 19:24   Link #99
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i actually kinda expect him to turn on madara first...prolly wont tho
the ultimate surprise would be for obito to beat madara without madara getting a chance to fight hashirama but that's... not gonna happen haha
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Old 2013-07-08, 22:01   Link #100
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Jinchuriki process?

How does Obito dying = him becoming the Jinchuriki host? What am I missing? Can someone explain the process.
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