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Old 2013-07-23, 22:27   Link #141
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But the cold affect people because the difference in temperature make us loses heat. Accelerator is likely able to stop the heat from escaping his body. It may be a problem if he stays in the cold for too long.

Wouldn't work as then rsilgun and melt downer would also be effective if applied in indirect methods, neither would "sneak attacks" of that level or he wouldn't have survived to be #1.

he doesn't have to reflect anything, he can change vectors at will meaning if you start freezing he'll just create a normalized area of authority.

The problem comes down to his calculation abilities, its just too strong by the time you defeat you would need another person with comparable calculation power to apply the necessary method.

A level 5 freeze specialist beating another level 5 is totally within the margin of error and not relevant. You could totally lure him into a basement and freeze the entire area but to do that would require a lvl5 or above.

A simple teleporter can beat him if said teleporter was so powerful they could teleport snipe at super long range, but a lvl6+ defeating a lvl5 is no big deal.
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Old 2013-07-23, 22:44   Link #142
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A simple teleporter can beat him if said teleporter was so powerful they could teleport snipe at super long range, but a lvl6+ defeating a lvl5 is no big deal.
The distance wouldn't matter, he can reflect teleporting attacks.

Also, I think you have the wrong idea about what a level 6 is, it's not a simple increased ability, but something more reality changing, going by how it's defined.
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Old 2013-07-24, 03:41   Link #143
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Why would it be? The only thing's that we've seen included in his 'filter' are very obvious threats such as physical attacks and stuff like that.
That's wrong. His filters include UV-rays, at the very least. More precisely, it's the very reason why he's so pale, and his eyes are red while his hair is discolored. So, why not heat flux?
And, obviously enough, such an attack will not defeat Accelerator. Does a human hand freeze instantly, when exposed to liquid nitrogen? It does not. Because heat flux is not instaneous, it takes a lot of time. Cryogenesist of high level might be able to luquify (I dare say that crystalization of air is a feat worthy of Level 5, so no crystalization, except for water, of course, but its concetration in the air is nowhere near enough to form ice encircling human body) air around Accelerator more or less instantly. But he cannot do the same with his body, not when his Reflection is a passive skill. As I said, shock from abrupt change in temperature is a problem but it's not lethal.
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Old 2013-07-24, 04:06   Link #144
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so kamachi's biggest mistake is making accelerator's reflection being a passive skill, so he need to be nerfed... But he still imba... and will be more imba in the future... because of fvking passive skill

maybe it would be moar interestingif he make reflection an active skill, so we can see accelerator strugling and literally 'fighting', not one-sided butcher...
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Old 2013-07-24, 04:12   Link #145
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so kamachi's biggest mistake is making accelerator's reflection being a passive skill, so he need to be nerfed... But he still imba... and will be more imba in the future... because of fvking passive skill

maybe it would be moar interestingif he make reflection an active skill, so we can see accelerator strugling and literally 'fighting', not one-sided butcher...
Accel is not even imbalanced. Not even close in Raildex.
I start actively doubting that you've read novels, paying attention to details.
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Old 2013-07-24, 04:27   Link #146
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The distance wouldn't matter, he can reflect teleporting attacks.
unless its an invisible attack or an attack of nanoscopic level where to defeat accelerator he must not be able to sense them
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Old 2013-07-24, 04:32   Link #147
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Accel is not even imbalanced. Not even close in Raildex.
I start actively doubting that you've read novels, paying attention to details.
not imba? are u kidding me? ur saying someone who can almost repel EVERYTHING is not imba?
or are you saying he is not imba because of nerfed and equipped with time limited choker? well the fact that he is nerfed is the proof that he is imba
even
Spoiler for vol.15:

well except magic, but that never happened, and its only once in novel

kamachi need to create battle scene between accel vs elite magic side like saints or even magic god if possible to make accel 'not imba'
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Old 2013-07-24, 05:07   Link #148
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not imba? are u kidding me? ur saying someone who can almost repel EVERYTHING is not imba?
or are you saying he is not imba because of nerfed and equipped with time limited choker? well the fact that he is nerfed is the proof that he is imba
even
Spoiler for vol.15:

well except magic, but that never happened, and its only once in novel

kamachi need to create battle scene between accel vs elite magic side like saints or even magic god if possible to make accel 'not imba'
No, he's not. His powers are balanced by his personality faults. Besides, he's easily swayed emotionally, so it does count. And a reminder, everything within scientific means.
Nah, even during Sisters' Arc he is not IMBA. And nerfing serves as additional means to flesh out his character.
Spoiler:

There's no use to discuss magical means to defeat Accelerator in Railgun section.

Who can defeat Accelerator?
Level 0's with Capacity Down, for example. Why do people try to use strange powers to overpower Accelerator's Reflection escapes me.
Spoiler:

Goddamit, if we think of purely scientific character, then Kumokawa Seria will kick his ass. Seria's the best Level 0, hands down. Hope, she'll appear in Railgun.
His powers are based on sophisticated calculations. Throw his thoughts into disarray, confuse him, mess with his mind.
Why do you people try too hard to make up some artificial means to defeat Accelerator is beyound me, I'd repeat it.
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Old 2013-07-24, 11:51   Link #149
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Plus there's all the people on the Magic Side who can kick his ass...
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Old 2013-07-24, 16:27   Link #150
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Plus there's all the people on the Magic Side who can kick his ass...
the problem is THEY NEVER MET
ah, even if they fight each other, accel will just identify the magic law and then repel it like always...
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Old 2013-07-24, 17:47   Link #151
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Which is not the case.
You might want to read the NT a bit more. What happened to Accelerator there is almost embarrassing.

BTW, Accelerator cannot analyze magic without suffering backlashes either.
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Old 2013-07-24, 17:51   Link #152
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And those were just fodder.
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Old 2013-07-24, 20:15   Link #153
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Which is not the case.
You might want to read the NT a bit more. What happened to Accelerator there is almost embarrassing.

BTW, Accelerator cannot analyze magic without suffering backlashes either.
Spoiler for Toaru NT 2:
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Old 2013-07-25, 00:35   Link #154
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NT2? That is only because he only doing something minor, he even mentioned himself there is a clear line he cannot cross or else he takes damage.
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Old 2013-07-25, 02:59   Link #155
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NT2? That is only because he only doing something minor, he even mentioned himself there is a clear line he cannot cross or else he takes damage.
I meant that he could probably overcome it eventually. I dunno though. You are definitely right about that. The reason I think he could overcome it is that
Spoiler for LN 22:
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Old 2013-07-25, 13:10   Link #156
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An odd theory. If accelerator controls motion, there is an odd implication he cannot "start" it. He can only amplify existing motion or decrease it to an extent it stops on its own.

So the theory is, what can accelerator do to a full stop of molecular motion? If everything around him reduces to absolute zero it implies absolutely no motion at all. The way he can fight this is to force the particles to move as they decelerate in oscillations. But that should lead him to use up a lot of calculative power.

It begs the question how could one perform a instantaneous brake on molecular motion but assuming someone could that is not accelerator.
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Old 2013-07-25, 13:52   Link #157
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Wait a darn second.
Since his second stand-alone-film came out just today, we (crossovers permitted) have THE perfect candidate to fight Accelerator!!

Ladies and gentlemen, meet ex-resident of Professor Charles Xaivier's School for Gifted Youth, Mr James Logan.

You see, no matter HOW hard Accelerator can reflect James' attacks, his bones have the delightful conincidence of being coated in a meteortic-metal called adamantium, which (just like The Shield owned by Captain Steven Rogers of the Howling Commandos) not even Gods like Galactus can break.

Coupled with the fact that the flesh of Mister Logan has a tendency to instantly recover from even rapid disintegration; so Pretty Boy can keep knocking James back as many times as he likes, but it's only a matter of time before that battery on his neck starts to run low....

And then.... Hruhuhuhwahahahaha.
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Old 2013-07-25, 14:04   Link #158
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Wait a darn second.
Since his second stand-alone-film came out just today, we (crossovers permitted) have THE perfect candidate to fight Accelerator!!

Ladies and gentlemen, meet ex-resident of Professor Xaivier's School for Gifted Youth, Mr James Logan.

You see, no matter HOW hard Accelerator can reflect James' attacks, his bones have the delightful conincidence of being coated in a meteortic-metal called adamantium, which (just like The Shield owned by Captain Steven Rogers of the Howling Commandos) not even Gods like Galactus can break.

Coupled with the fact that the flesh of Mister Logan has a tendency to instantly recover from even rapid disintegration; so Pretty Boy can keep knocking James back as many times as he likes, but it's only a matter of time before that battery on his neck starts to run low....

And then.... Hruhuhuhwahahahaha.
Still, that wouldn't harm Accelerator, Logan will keep hurting himself bouncing against a invicible wall, just because his bones are quite solid it doesn't means he can't feel pain.
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Old 2013-07-25, 14:10   Link #159
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Still, that wouldn't harm Accelerator, Logan will keep hurting himself bouncing against a invicible wall, just because his bones are quite solid it doesn't means he can't feel pain.
Though he does stand a better chance than most of lasting long enough for Accelerator's life-and-power sustaining battery (made by Doctor "Real-Gekota" ) to run out.

Because whereas even the mighty Son Goku himself can die, James can't.
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Old 2013-07-25, 14:19   Link #160
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Though he does stand a better chance than most of lasting long enough for Accelerator's life-and-power sustaining battery (made by Doctor "Real-Gekota" ) to run out.

Because whereas even the mighty Son Goku himself can die, James can't.
Assuming that Accelerator'd stand and do nothing for a half an hour. He wouldn't.
Now then, what can Wolverine to harm Accelerator somehow before Logan's turned into a shooting star?
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