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View Poll Results: Attack on Titan - Episode 14 Rating
Perfect 10 22 27.16%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 28 34.57%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 16 19.75%
7 out of 10 : Good 10 12.35%
6 out of 10 : Average 2 2.47%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 2 2.47%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 1.23%
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Old 2013-07-13, 20:44   Link #21
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Yeah, I didn't really like the new opening. I also noticed a lot of still frames in this episode.

Other than that O liked the episode
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Old 2013-07-13, 20:44   Link #22
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I'm undecided about the new OP. The original was appropriately over-the-top, the new one dosn't quite hae the same level of bombast... I agree that the mixing of the vocal track hurts it; it was jumbled in a few places.

ED: Walnut and our cast of violent goofballs... I miss Sasha already, though Zoe is amusing in her own creepy way.

Levi had a fairly practical, if very violent, plan.
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Old 2013-07-13, 21:04   Link #23
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I had expected it to be a one hell of intense episode, and yeah, it indeed was . . . in a completely different way than i thought it would be.

I mean, how come a mere debate could be so intense?

One thing i have to sincerely praise : New OP song, Jiyuu no Tsubasa sounds more badass and blood-pumping than Guren no Yumiya
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Old 2013-07-13, 21:16   Link #24
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I like the first OP better however the chorus for the second OP is nice.

Hanji popping in the cell was pretty freaky. Also I wanted Mikasa to cut loose lol.
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Old 2013-07-13, 21:39   Link #25
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An excellent display of risk management.

The MP only thought of the risk in him living not the risk in attempting to kill him. Levi then promptly reminded them so.

Take him and try to kill him and most likely he will wipe the floor with military police.

Leave him to me and I will take him outside the walls. If he tries anything, we can kill him. In the event, we cant kill him, he is outside of the walls anyway.

An invincible argument...
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Old 2013-07-13, 21:43   Link #26
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OP's good...not THAT good but still good.
ED's epic.
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Old 2013-07-13, 21:47   Link #27
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The OP puts out quite a few hints of the upcoming arc. Not that obvious, but it will be (for anime-only viewers) once we reach this season's end.

As for the episode itself, I don't know. ... :3

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Old 2013-07-13, 22:05   Link #28
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What a bunch of idiots(The military police and nobles). Especially that Supreme Commander who doesn't seem to be able to make any opinion for himself.

They all know that the colossal and Armoured Titans were the ones that broke the gate and displayed high intelligences.

The fact that they now have seen/know about Eren's power is proof that Titans have the ability to turn into humans and vice versa which means that the Colossal and Armoured Titan could be humans as well. If he can do it that means there's a high possibility other Titans could as well.

If I was the commander, I would've simply pointed out to the idiot Priest and MP commander how killing Eren would make the problem go away. They kill him they lose their best chance in fighting against other Titans similar to himself who won't be on their side.

And putting him with the Recon Corps where he'll be gone for most of the time would make the best use out of him anyways.

A shame it took Levi beating Eren to prove that point.
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Old 2013-07-13, 22:35   Link #29
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Eren took one hell of a beating this episode, and Mikasa's expressions were funny.

From the MP's reactions, it was as if they were afraid to acknowledge the fact that the Titans could be humans - or they probably knew 'something' about it and they thought that by killing Eren they'd silence everything once and for all.

Anyway, solid episode. Music-wise, I liked Jiyuu no Tsubasa better than Guren no Yumiya, although I thought that the first OP's sequence was better. I found the second ED okay compared to the first one, but I liked the the second ED's sequence more.
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Old 2013-07-13, 22:40   Link #30
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What a bunch of idiots(The military police and nobles). Especially that Supreme Commander who doesn't seem to be able to make any opinion for himself.

They all know that the colossal and Armoured Titans were the ones that broke the gate and displayed high intelligences.

The fact that they now have seen/know about Eren's power is proof that Titans have the ability to turn into humans and vice versa which means that the Colossal and Armoured Titan could be humans as well. If he can do it that means there's a high possibility other Titans could as well.

If I was the commander, I would've simply pointed out to the idiot Priest and MP commander how killing Eren would make the problem go away. They kill him they lose their best chance in fighting against other Titans similar to himself who won't be on their side.

And putting him with the Recon Corps where he'll be gone for most of the time would make the best use out of him anyways.

A shame it took Levi beating Eren to prove that point.
The problem with this logic is that you have essentially been watching Eren's life and you know for a fact that he holds no ill intentions towards humanity.

The MP and priests may be short sighted, but their fear is understandable. The fact that the other important Titans may be humans is not unknown to them, it's actually central to their worry - they don't know Eren like the viewers do, so the possibility that he is a double agent of some sort exists as a valid viewpoint from their perspective.

The supreme commander's actions were calm and analytical, which is not the same as not having an opinion. He had only what information has been relayed to him, which is significantly less than what we have, and furthermore since he was acting as a judge he needed to be impartial. His job is to do risk analysis and make an important decision, not rush into things recklessly. Eren's effects on the political situation were factor he had to consider - if Eren's presence caused sufficient social strife that it would split humanity, then that could outweigh the benefits Eren could provide. Levi's actions provided a way to alleviate those political tensions by giving the other side confidence that if something went wrong that Levi would be able to handle it, so the political tensions weren't a significant consideration anymore after that.
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Old 2013-07-13, 22:53   Link #31
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listening to the new OP...that guitar rift in the beginning made me have flashbacks of Through the Fire and Flame
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Old 2013-07-13, 23:03   Link #32
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Did he need to be kicked to prove that there's no danger to him?
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Old 2013-07-13, 23:42   Link #33
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Well, Levi might have been a little too Jack Bauer there, but it did demonstrate to the crowd that Eren wasn't some invulnerable mutant, and that Eren at least had the control to not rip the entire room apart because he was being attacked.
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Old 2013-07-13, 23:47   Link #34
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The problem with this logic is that you have essentially been watching Eren's life and you know for a fact that he holds no ill intentions towards humanity.
No I didn't.

That's why I phrased my statement just by what was seen by their eyes only. I never said anything about Eren is a great guy or has bad intentions.

Pixis made that very clear. They've been doing nothing but losing their entire time and given there's only so many defeats a military can stomach. Even a tiny victory would be a morale boost. What do you have to lose by throwing in a wild card?

For the Recon Corps they have been at the forefront of the fighting so it's clear that they would take anything that would give them an edge in battle against the Titans.

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The MP and priests may be short sighted, but their fear is understandable. The fact that the other important Titans may be humans is not unknown to them, it's actually central to their worry - they don't know Eren like the viewers do, so the possibility that he is a double agent of some sort exists as a valid viewpoint from their perspective.
Again that's complete BS on their part and I'm not basing anything on Eren's view at all.

A few years ago all of sudden two special Titans show up and destroy the gates allowing the fall of the first wall and then vanish out of thin air.

Now all of a sudden they reappear again to repeat the same process and in that time they find out that a human has turned into a Titan.

What does that mean? If he could turn into a Titan that means there could be others. If they kill Eren who they have under chains right now are they going to instigate a witch hunt on every single civilian then? They even talked about killing Mikasa and anyone else affiliated in that very room. Is killing Eren going to do anything to prevent another human from turning into a Titan?

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The supreme commander's actions were calm and analytical, which is not the same as not having an opinion. He had only what information has been relayed to him, which is significantly less than what we have, and furthermore since he was acting as a judge he needed to be impartial. His job is to do risk analysis and make an important decision, not rush into things recklessly. Eren's effects on the political situation were factor he had to consider - if Eren's presence caused sufficient social strife that it would split humanity, then that could outweigh the benefits Eren could provide. Levi's actions provided a way to alleviate those political tensions by giving the other side confidence that if something went wrong that Levi would be able to handle it, so the political tensions weren't a significant consideration anymore after that.
Again that's complete BS on the Supreme Commander's part. The fact that he had random people screaming out in the middle of the trial makes the whole thing a freaking farce. A true impartial judge should ensure that emotions, which the idiots keep going on about, be kept in check to avoid what you call "reckless" decision. He should be looking at both short-term and long term effects.

If he's the supreme commander of the entire army then he should be very well aware of the low morale amongst his own forces. They have suffered nothing but defeats over and over again and he along with everyone else had to sacrifice 250,000 people in order to alleviate the food shortages. Levi pointed it out very clearly, they NEED Land badly.

Eren's actions resulted in a huge morale boost amongst the populace and we see that some of them talk about re-taking the wall.

The fact that the Titans attacked only a few years afterwards in the same manner means it'll happen again and the next time they won't have Eren to help them plug up the hole.

The idiots' whole testimony and arguments were made out of emotions and fear which was made extremely clear in the room and you say he should avoid making a reckless decision?

Sending Eren into the Recon Corps should've been obvious right from the start. If he's successful then they get the wall back and fight back the Titans. If he fails and dies then the matter is closed. The fact that they had to make a show in order to make their point shows just how poorly the Supreme Commander handled the situation. No wonder they're sucking so badly. It's a miracle that they are still alive.

You'll also notice that I haven't bought anything up in regards to Eren's past. I'm basing everything off of current events and simple logic.

The fact is clear. Yes there's a huge risk to leaving Eren alive and there's the political thing but what are you going to do when the Titans attack again? If an opportunity arises even if it has the slightest chance of success you should take it. That's just plain common sense. The fact that Levi had to beat up Eren and then for the idiot MP to point out he might enrage him just goes to show how stupid he is.
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Old 2013-07-14, 00:28   Link #35
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Don't see what's wrong with the OP (and, yes, both OP and ED are obviously totally aimed at manga readers; whereas the first season's wasn't really). The whole national anthem feel to it fits right into the nationalism (humanism ) theme so prevalent in the show.

Based on the continual slow pacing, I'm 99% certain where the anime is going to end. Which is kind of depressing. I mean, when it took them 8 episodes to do a one day battle, I kind of figured it out already, but I was secretly hoping things would pick up once the battle was done.

Oh well, at least we got to see Levi kick the snot out of Eren.

Also, I wouldn't read too much into how people react/treat Eren (ie: in the courtroom). If it hasn't become clear yet, the writer goes out of his way to exaggerate everyone's stupidity in the face of extinction so that individuals who do stand up to FIGHT!!! (as well as the idea) contrast as much as possible.
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Old 2013-07-14, 00:34   Link #36
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Well that was one brutal beating Eren receive.

At least it prove to the Commander in Chief that Eren can be controlled which now made him a member of the Recon Corps.
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Old 2013-07-14, 00:40   Link #37
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No, all of them are well aware of the fact that other humans capable of transforming into a titan exist. And, that's precisely why the other party wants to reinforce the wall as soon as possible because the colossal titan could pop up at any time and that the colossal titan can only break the gate.

Let's say that I'm the supreme commander, here's what the party proposes me

-gates are reinforced = no fear for the colossal titan

-They kill and study Eren = they know more about the titans, the reason why they exist, (and they might also find a way how to easily identify the titan shifters after studying Eren)
-Eren almost killed Mikasa during the mission
-Eren and Mikasa killed 3 grown ups when they were nine = they're freaking dangerous and would probably go on a killing spree

Here's what you propose
-there are other titan shifters and Eren is only way to fight them
=>completely refuted by the fact that the XL-TT can only break the gates, and the problem will be solved by sealing them = no use for Eren anymore
=>completely refuted by the fact that Mikasa could beat Eren, and a not so great soldier like Eren (though kinda strong) alone could stand to the XL-TT once he realized the guy was super slow, meaning humans alone are enough to take care of them. Also it doesn't represent that much of a menace if it can't break the gates anymore. The only wild card is the armored one ; but in general titan shifters should be beatable by either top class soldiers or average soldiers depending of their nature.
=>completely refuted by the fact that, using Eren to fight the titan invasion requires scarifying a lot of effective to act as decoy or stopping Eren in case he goes berserk again. However, reinforcing the gates completely remove the idea of figthing the titans in the first place.


Meanwhile the priest :
-"you heretics! Humans shouldn't touch the sacred walls forged by the holy hands of God!"

Sorry, but in my opinion you would have been crushed with such half backed arguments. Thank God Irvin and Levi were smarter than that.

PS : As for the priest, he has a lot of support from the government and the populace. The supreme commander can't just make that guy shut up or leave the court as he pleases if he likes his seat.
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Old 2013-07-14, 00:44   Link #38
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Wait, will someone that didn't read the manga (if one like that still exists) even understand what's going on in that messy OP?
Yes, we still exist. And no, I will not read the manga. It makes the anime more unpredictable and exciting. Patience is a virtue. It also allows me to guess what will happen, which is half the fun in these threads.

As for the opening, I thought it was just a cool collage of scenes. There is no need to understand what is going on in the opening, since that would be spoiling the show. And no, I'm not going to guess about anything happening in the opening, since, well, someone will probably make a comment that will spoil me along the way. However, what was interesting was that near the end, there was a shadowy figure of a titan that looks like a really hot woman (Mikasa maybe?). Pixis might finally get his wish(being eaten by a hot female titan).

My favorite scene this episode was when Mikasa stared at Rico for reporting that Eren went berserk.

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Old 2013-07-14, 00:51   Link #39
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Yes, we still exist. And no, I will not read the manga. It makes the anime more unpredictable and exciting. Patience is a virtue. It also allows me to guess what will happen, which is half the fun in these threads.
I understand and, I'm sorry for not knowing. I hope you guys find the OPs and EDs more existing as you understand more and more symbolism throughout your watch.
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Old 2013-07-14, 01:01   Link #40
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Meh @ the new OP. When I heard the song on the single, there were parts of it I liked, but I don't care for it too terribly overall. It just sounds like one big mess, as if too many people had too many ideas and decided to cram it all into one song. >_> The visual sequence, on the other hand, was really cool. I rather liked it!

I find the new ED forgettable, personally. The first one was a lot better in multiple ways (more interesting art, a stronger song, etc).

Anyway, on to the actual episode. I was interested to see how the court scene would be handled in the anime and I think they did a fine job. It didn't go on for too long or anything. I feel like Levi beat on Eren a little more than what I remember, but it's still all good. I'm really pumped for this season. I'm also very ready to see people's reactions to certain things, haha.
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