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Old 2013-07-13, 16:26   Link #41
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Aah, alright, alright. I knew he made the supplemental rule later, hence the confusion, but I didn't realize that he said they needed to murder without being caught -before- Maizono's death. It makes sense why they'd go to such lengths. I thought that, at that point, they believed they just needed to kill someone.
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Old 2013-07-13, 16:51   Link #42
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It's a good thing this thread was made. I was afraid that the game spoilers would start flying around.

Anyways, we've got quite a lot of evidence to solve our first murder case.
Spoiler for evidence:


I think it isn't very difficult to find out who the murderer is, mostly because of the dying message, although this could be a trap as well. I have a theory, but I have the feeling that I'm missing something to make it complete.
Spoiler for Theory:
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Old 2013-07-13, 17:08   Link #43
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Only male students received a tool kit. Female students received a sewing kit. Furthermore, Makoto's kit was left untouched as it is still sealed.
For further clues that have been brushed over by the anime, please click on the link in my signature.
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Old 2013-07-13, 17:12   Link #44
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Only male students received a tool kit. Female students received a sewing kit. Furthermore, Makoto's kit was left untouched as it is still sealed.
For further clues that have been brushed over by the anime, please click on the link in my signature.
I think you forgot to write down hagakure testimony regarding crystal ball...
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Old 2013-07-13, 18:01   Link #45
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Only male students received a tool kit. Female students received a sewing kit. Furthermore, Makoto's kit was left untouched as it is still sealed.
For further clues that have been brushed over by the anime, please click on the link in my signature.
Ah okay, this makes it even more clear then. If the tool kits are indeed sealed, then the murderer is probably the only one with an opened kit. And since the murderer must have believed that he was in Maizono's room because of the changed nameplate, he didn't even think about using Naegi's screwdriver.

Also, thanks for the missing clues. They seem to have left out a great deal of information. I wonder if they're saving it for the trial?

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-For safety measure in case an eventual culprit would try disposing evidence, the trash room shutter is always locked, and only the student designated as the janitor has the key.
-Yamada Hifumi is the janitor of the week, hence why he had the key of the trash room.
-In the trash room, Makoto notices that some bloody dress shirt piece was next to the incinerator as well as some shards for a crystal ball.
-Makoto finds out the incinerator is still on, but Hifumi claims he made sure the incinerator was turned off before he closed the shutter.
-Upon discovery of the fragments of a glass ball, Makoto talks with Yasuhiro. Nevermind his story that it is supposed to be a genuine mystical crystal ball, Yasuhiro explains that he forgot his crystal ball in the laundry room last night, so he suspects that it was stolen from there. Makoto thinks that due to the timeframe, anyone could take it.
So there indeed is an incinerator in the trashroom. There is only one key and Yamada was the one who had it at the time of the murder. So somehow the murderer turned it on without opening the shutter? Ah, I think I understand why the broken crystal ball is there now. Even more reason to suspect Leon. His speciality really came in handy here. Too bad he messed up with the shirt in the end.

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They both noted that the entierety of the sword (hilt, blade, scabbard) is decorated by many gilded leaves, although a single touch would leave gilded traces on your skin.
I guess I was right when I said that Maizono wasn't the one who faught with the sword. If Maizono would have been the one to hold the sword, there should be traces on her hands.


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-Kirigiri Kyouko has realized that the ground was a tad too "clean" despite Makoto not being a clean freak (Kyouko found out the cleaning tool, the lint roller was used recently). No strand of hair was found at the crime scene, including Sayaka's.
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-A kitchen knife has been missing in the cafeteria.
-Late at night, Asahina Aoi was at the cafeteria. Aoi can testify Makoto didn't go to the cafeteria.
I guess these facts are important for Naegi to prove his innocence. I'm guessing that Aoi did see Maizono at the cafeteria.
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Old 2013-07-13, 18:08   Link #46
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When Makoto woke up, Monokuma showed up and explained that they will proceed with a class trial. If the survivors find out the culprit, the latter will be executed.
To be more specific on this, the verdict is decided by majority vote. Even if a few people correctly identified the culprit, they will still be executed if they are in the minority.
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Old 2013-07-13, 18:11   Link #47
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I think you forgot to write down hagakure testimony regarding crystal ball...
Fixing it now. Also added some points such like the sound proof parts.
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Old 2013-07-13, 18:17   Link #48
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Ah okay, this makes it even more clear then. If the tool kits are indeed sealed, then the murderer is probably the only one with an opened kit. And since the murderer must have believed that he was in Maizono's room because of the changed nameplate, he didn't even think about using Naegi's screwdriver.
That will definitely not work out for the killer in this case. The name tag switch and the fact that a dead body was found in Makoto's room was enough to point the finger at the MC, but the unopened tool box will probably relief Makoto of some doubts and suspicion if someone points that out during the trial.

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To be more specific on this, the verdict is decided by majority vote. Even if a few people correctly identified the culprit, they will still be executed if they are in the minority.
I'm sure since it's basically like a real court case, I think that all the votes will have to be unanimous before a real conclusion can be drawn. So if there's a point where one or two people disagree on something, it's possible that the case will continue to draw on until their claims are refuted or accepted as fact etc.

If the trial itself is given a specific time to reach a conclusion than that will be a different story, but at the same time it'll add the dramatic impact of the "race against time" element just to give scenery a more serious form of context. There's also the fact that MonoBear seems to have an impatient personally and would like to see things end quickly rather than things draw out pointlessly.

ie. The DVD's used to get people "motivated" to graduate after no murder hadn't happened during the few days the 15 characters first arrived at the time.
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Old 2013-07-13, 23:21   Link #49
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Trolololol. I thought Maizono would've been the first murderer, but instead she becomes the first victim. XD

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Old 2013-07-14, 01:03   Link #50
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It got me thinking, why is it that the detective always 100% believe in the blood letters that's being left behind? Not saying that this is a red herring consider multiple other factors that agree with it, but technically speaking those type of clues don't carry much weight.

In regards to the motive, I feel like whoever wants to kill just want to find the most vulnerable target to carry out the task. Since Naegi saw Maizono's nameplate on her room, it's hard to tell whether the swap happens before or after the murder. If before, then there's a reason why Maizono wants to be in Naegi's room for a particular reason, either for the sword or other tools that she can't obtain in her own room. If after, then the killer wants to hide the evidence that he was targetting Naegi. The killer broke, and that's just that.

In regards to how. The cuts on the sword, the yellow paint on Maizono's broken hand, and the confiscated evidence by the killer, showed that initially they both fought with weapons. Maizono might've be able to put some damage on the killer before the culprit overcame her, grabbed her knife, and broke into the bathroom after her. The fact that the lock was broken is a decent alibi for Naegi really. The crystal ball may be used to have enough momentum to reach the distance since the door is locked for the trash room. As to how the killer was able to get into the room in the first place? I feel like there are still a few missing clues that we haven't discover yet.



===OT===
I know it's impossible in this setting, but what happens if there are multiple killers for one victim? Moreover, what if the majority of the people remaining killed one hapless chap and overcome the trial with majority power?
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Old 2013-07-14, 01:17   Link #51
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It got me thinking, why is it that the detective always 100% believe in the blood letters that's being left behind?

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I know it's impossible in this setting, but what happens if there are multiple killers for one victim? Moreover, what if the majority of the people remaining killed one hapless chap and overcome the trial with majority power?
Not so much as 100% believe... but more like take it into consideration and sees how it matches up with the rest of the evidence. If it conflicts, they will probably reconsider whether the dying message is real or not.

The one who deals the death blow is considered the culprit.
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Old 2013-07-14, 01:33   Link #52
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Old 2013-07-15, 12:21   Link #53
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Red blood? In Danganronpa? Blasphemy!
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Old 2013-07-15, 16:50   Link #54
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Makes me wonder if they'll change the blood color to red in the BD's just to give it a more "mature" feel to it. Who knows but anything can change when something gets adapted from the original source material.
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Old 2013-07-16, 10:36   Link #55
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I doubt it. The pink blood is part of what makes Danganronpa Danganronpa.
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Old 2013-07-17, 04:58   Link #56
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Well, here's my amateur detective attempt for episode 2.
Note that I didn't read the rest of this thread before posting, so if I'm writing something that has already been debunked please don't skewer me.

Spoiler for anim episode 1&2 only:

Also I somewhat cheated as I used the additional clues from Klashikari's post. I included those in a different spoiler in case there are purists.
Spoiler for with additional clues from Klashikari's post:

There you have it. Now can some Sherlock tell me if I'm on a Lestrade or a Watson level?
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Old 2013-07-18, 15:38   Link #57
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How about you watch the next episode and decide your level based on that?
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Old 2013-07-20, 02:55   Link #58
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Meh, even Watson would have been able to figure that one out anyway.

I guess that was just the introduction and the difficulty will crank up from now on.
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Old 2013-07-20, 03:20   Link #59
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Well DR is definitely sherlock holmes level.
Just that the mysteries are not easy because the detective has uber-deduction skills but because the mystery itself is easy to see through.
Thats just my opinion though, others might think differently.
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Old 2013-07-20, 07:01   Link #60
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I don't get why in episode 2, for the message that
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