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Old 2013-08-18, 12:13   Link #21
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That's mistranslation. Obito only said it was Minato's and Kushina's. We should wait for better translation.
oh i hope this is correct. that is an awful idea for naruto to be born on the day of rin's death. i am so sick of hearing about rin...

next thing we'll find out is that orange was rin's favorite color and spirals were her favorite shape so it's all destined that naruto wore that particular outfit...
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Old 2013-08-18, 12:55   Link #22
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I smell another Naruto power up coming as he merges both Kyuubi halves into one.

On another note, I should have known that Minato was a Jinchuriki too since he took half of the kyuubi within himself and had the same kyuubi mode as Naruto.
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Old 2013-08-18, 16:00   Link #23
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oh i hope this is correct. that is an awful idea for naruto to be born on the day of rin's death. i am so sick of hearing about rin...

next thing we'll find out is that orange was rin's favorite color and spirals were her favorite shape so it's all destined that naruto wore that particular outfit...
i could care less if he is born the same day as rin death, but if in the end everything about naruto turn around Rin like juubito and his speech i will be pissed ..
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Old 2013-08-18, 18:57   Link #24
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I just notice Sasuke's jealousy eyes when Naruto used Senjutsu
it's like.... damn! If I know about this jutsu, I won't kill Orochimaru yet
yea he was 'miring...boy was he 'miring lol
i wouldnt call it jealousy tho. he actually seemed impressed...

1. and regarding the badassness goings on in the background:
like a thousand chapters ago, madara shook the world with a perfect susanoo terrifying the 5 kages...now we have hashirama back there playing patty cake with the dogone thing. thats a bad ninja right there

2. wish other kyuubi wasnt cut-off. i want to know what was gonna come after "in the not-so-distant future.."

3. tobirama compares naruto to shodaime...kishi made this comparison before so I'm not too surprised here.

4. not likely, but its about time for kakashi to make a move...
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Old 2013-08-18, 19:39   Link #25
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Madara really does seem kind of psychotic in his infatuation with hashirama.

All that world-ending stuff going on in the background, and all he cares about is showboating his new upgrades to Hashirama.

It really is kind of sweet.
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Old 2013-08-18, 19:53   Link #26
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It doesn't look like Sasuke can do much here without Senjutsu unless his EMS has special powers yet revealed to us. His sharingan powers are perhaps the most vague in the entire series. So far I can only tell that his control over Ameterasu is much greater than Itachi's and that his Susanoo prefers long-range attacks. This isn't impressive enough.

Sasuke might be more useful if he were to distract Madara so that Hashirama can deal with the bijuudama, and use his senjutsu on Obito. Now that'd be a fight worth having panel time.
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Old 2013-08-18, 23:50   Link #27
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It doesn't look like Sasuke can do much here without Senjutsu unless his EMS has special powers yet revealed to us
EMS could play a part, but sasuke was using nature energy/chakra before naruto so i wouldn't count him out just yet. even if he doesn't have sage mode, he still must have improved his kirin abilities since the itachi fight. this chapter was just about him learning that nature chakra was necessary. it wasn't said that he couldn't use it or be effective here
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Old 2013-08-19, 00:36   Link #28
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EMS could play a part, but sasuke was using nature energy/chakra before naruto so i wouldn't count him out just yet. even if he doesn't have sage mode, he still must have improved his kirin abilities since the itachi fight. this chapter was just about him learning that nature chakra was necessary. it wasn't said that he couldn't use it or be effective here
What has Kirin to do with Nature Chakra?
It's just a normal elemental manipulation like Sasuke has done it countless time before since he learned the Chidori. The only difference is that he powers up his lightning with real lightning.
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Old 2013-08-19, 00:51   Link #29
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What has Kirin to do with Nature Chakra?
It's just a normal elemental manipulation like Sasuke has done it countless time before since he learned the Chidori. The only difference is that he powers up his lightning with real lightning.
no. he only uses a small amount of his own chakra to control the natural lightning. the technique is not made up of his own chakra. he was actually out of chakra when he used it against itachi. he used his last bit of chakra to accumulate the storm clouds. so then he just manipulates the natural energy. i'm not saying it's the same as sage mode. i'm saying it's a precursor to him using either sage mode or some other natural force to hurt juubito like kirin or an even more powerful version of kirin. maybe he can make a kirin wrapped susano'o or something like that
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Old 2013-08-19, 01:00   Link #30
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You don't even have to go with Kirin although it's possible it would work. Sasuke has unknowingly made use of Nature energy since part 1. That's what Orochimaru's CS is about, finding bodies compatible with Juugo's ability to natively absorb natural energy.
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Old 2013-08-19, 01:08   Link #31
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no. he only uses a small amount of his own chakra to control the natural lightning. the technique is not made up of his own chakra. he was actually out of chakra when he used it against itachi. he used his last bit of chakra to accumulate the storm clouds. so then he just manipulates the natural energy.
He doesn't manipulate nature energy. He manipulates the lightning. That's something different.
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Old 2013-08-19, 01:48   Link #32
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He doesn't manipulate nature energy. He manipulates the lightning. That's something different.
right , no matter how powerful kirin is he just manipulate the lightning already present in the air or force them up with extreme heat , in the end kirin is just control over lightning using chakra , it still a ninjutsu not senjutsu .. so you are totally right on that part
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Old 2013-08-19, 01:55   Link #33
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So... With this release of Chapter 643. Was this what SHOULD have, on a normal schedule, come out on the 21st, and thus 644 won't be out until the 28th? Or was 643's release a late one, and we're getting 644 this coming Wednesday the 21st?
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Old 2013-08-19, 07:15   Link #34
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The former.
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Old 2013-08-19, 12:39   Link #35
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He doesn't manipulate nature energy. He manipulates the lightning. That's something different.
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right , no matter how powerful kirin is he just manipulate the lightning already present in the air or force them up with extreme heat , in the end kirin is just control over lightning using chakra , it still a ninjutsu not senjutsu .. so you are totally right on that part
think about this for a second guys. your point is that lightning isn't natural energy...

also let's take into consideration not only what Hunter said about the CS, but also that Sasuke now physically has part of Juugo's body integrated within himself similar to what kabutomaru did with Juugo's cells to achieve snake sage mode
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Old 2013-08-19, 13:19   Link #36
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also let's take into consideration not only what Hunter said about the CS, but also that Sasuke now physically has part of Juugo's body integrated within himself similar to what kabutomaru did with Juugo's cells to achieve snake sage mode
You need a very hard training to become a real sage, both Naruto and Kabuto did that. It would be ridiculous if Sasuke randomly popped out some sage techiques just because Juugo healed him and once Orochi's cells were in him. Not even Orochi had sage mode, because he never trained in that. Sure he used natural energy, experimented with that stuff, but that's far from the power of the sage mode. In the future if Sasuke wants to become hokage he might first visit the 3rd place for sage training, but i think now it's unrealistic. Most he can do is to use sage+kyuubi mode chakra if it is given to him by Naruto, and we know Naruto can hand out chakra. Even regular ninja had a huge powerup with that, so imagine what powerup it would give to Sasuke if Naruto hands him a combined kyuubi-sage chakra, my guess is that will awaken the rinnegan while that chakra boost lasts (the two sons of the sage, one has the eyes and one the body, etc.).
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Old 2013-08-19, 15:28   Link #37
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You need a very hard training to become a real sage, both Naruto and Kabuto did that
it took naruto about how long? a week to achieve sage mode? kabuto also did it in a relatively short amount of time. so short in fact that many fans complained. sasuke should be able to do it even faster than kabuto. i don't expect sasuke to have sage mode, but it's certainly not an impossibility based on time or physical restraints. i do expect him to be using some sort of natural power in the near future to be hurting juubito as well though. sasuke can't be overly outshone by naruto in this battle. at least not for long
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Old 2013-08-19, 16:10   Link #38
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You need a very hard training to become a real sage
Heh. Very hard indeed.
More seriously the CS isn't Sage mode exactly but it's a manufactured form of Juugo's bloodline which allow the innate absorption and use of nature energy as a boost of power and shape shifting capability.
Sasuke actually has several years more experience at this than Naruto, has mastered its use and received part of Juugo's body if that wasn't enough.
It's perfectly plausible -and for once logical as well- that it would be thanks to this that he'd be able to be part of the fight against Obito.

Now I wouldn't be surprised if instead Naruto managed to share nature energy with everybody and their mother because I find this cheesy, boring and dumb which in my experience means it's likely to happen but to say that Sasuke can't do it on his own "because training" is complete nonsense.
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Not even Orochi had sage mode, because he never trained in that.
No he didn't have sage mode (or perhaps only partially) because his body couldn't use it which is why he was searching people who could like Kimimaro or Sasuke in order to take over their body.
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Old 2013-08-19, 19:10   Link #39
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it took naruto about how long? a week to achieve sage mode?
It doesn't matter, he succeeded where countless others failed.

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kabuto also did it in a relatively short amount of time. so short in fact that many fans complained.
We don't know how fast he did it, but i guess it was in weeks. However he had already injected himself with the DNA from Orochi so i guess that helped a lot.

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sasuke should be able to do it even faster than kabuto.
That can happen, as Hunter explained Sasuke had the CS and Juugo's cells, that can probably help a lot.

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sasuke can't be overly outshone by naruto in this battle. at least not for long
It can happen, throughout the story we already saw one or the other becoming clearly stronger. For example before the timeskip when Sasuke sees Naruto summoning gamabunta and later the rasengan making a huge hole on a water tank, then after the timeskip when Naruto seems to be very weak compared to Sasuke. I think Naruto being stronger gives a chance for a last timeskip, so that we can see a Naruto vs Sasuke fight after the timeskip, because right after the war its really not a good time for that.

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...it would be thanks to this that he'd be able to be part of the fight against Obito.

Now I wouldn't be surprised if instead Naruto managed to share nature energy
Last time Naruto shared his natural energy chakra with one of the pains, it didnt go well for pain
But as you explained Sasuke's body could handle it, which means the only one Naruto can boost with kyuubi-natural chakra could be Sasuke, others would turn to stone or explode or something.
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Old 2013-08-19, 19:37   Link #40
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Last time Naruto shared his natural energy chakra with one of the pains, it didnt go well for pain
But as you explained Sasuke's body could handle it, which means the only one Naruto can boost with kyuubi-natural chakra could be Sasuke, others would turn to stone or explode or something.
Yes and the chakra of the Kyubi is toxic and only Naruto can survive it... Until the author just decides that making a kilometer wide giant flying chakra cloak for ten thousand guys is cool.
It's lazy writing but if Kishimoto wants this no explanation is needed. You're just going to have the rest of the cast have a fangasm at Naruto about how amazing he is and how he reminds them of Hashirama/Minato/Rikudou Sennin and Jesus put together and then Naruto will shout that Obito cannot win because tomorow is ramen day which, and this is sad, sounds cooler than his actual one liner.
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