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Old 2013-08-29, 10:32   Link #41
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I mean Luffy’s attacks where always strength based (against Crocodile combined with water or blood, or against Enel with gold) and CoA seems to be his natural boost. Why does Oda add those elements and what purpose do they fulfill?
They're cool?

I thought it was either just friction caused by their powers colliding, or just added special effect to make everything look extra cool.

Whatever the case, I don't think it needs to be considered too deeply...at least not currently.
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Old 2013-08-29, 10:54   Link #42
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Regarding those element-based Haki attacks as a whole: What do you guys think – do they add any further attack power? How do they work?
The Hawk Shot we saw against Hody was somehow understandable (Steam from Gear 2nd combined with Haki leading to an explosion of some sort).
But what about the Snake Shot or Thor Elephant Gun? How did Luffy add lightning to it? And wouldn’t it be enough to smack someone with a Haki imbued giant fist?

I mean Luffy’s attacks where always strength based (against Crocodile combined with water or blood, or against Enel with gold) and CoA seems to be his natural boost. Why does Oda add those elements and what purpose do they fulfill?

I hope this doesn’t turn into a system similar to chakra, where Haki users need to mold a certain element to counter Logias. Haki alone should be sufficient as we saw pretty often already.
It probably has something to do with their spirit as well as haki. "Spirit Energy".
It's what Zoro uses for his demon techniques. When you get as strong as them you can do those things. It also has something to do with the bloodline element which Law mentioned in the recent chapters on the path to Dressrosa.

It's pretty much similar to Naruto except for chakra and a few other things. Just more awesome.
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Old 2013-08-29, 12:52   Link #43
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Luffy's attack are just very predictable and just fun to watch.

So who do think is going to be the next villain after joker?
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Old 2013-08-29, 15:32   Link #44
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They're cool?

I thought it was either just friction caused by their powers colliding, or just added special effect to make everything look extra cool.

Whatever the case, I don't think it needs to be considered too deeply...at least not currently.
I hope Oda has something about this other than “it looks cool“ in mind.
OP is one of my favorite manga because, with some minor exceptions, it is conclusive in its own world. You don’t have dead dropouts turning out to be the most overpowered villains who revive never before mentioned beasts while fighting against super saiyan power uped good guys or opponents clashing against each other with totally different attacks where you can’t tell why one side won or not.
One Piece isn’t the perfect example for a tactical fighting system (that being HxH in my eyes) but until now all attacks seemed understandable. If Luffy, who trained for two years to gain the strength to become Pirate King while bearing the loss of his brother, is being given the key to achieve his goals by Rayleigh would waste his time to train “cool looking” moves I’d be a little bit disappointed.

Well, even if it was that way it wouldn’t affect my worshipping of OP, because it still is one of the best thought through stories with a perfectly timed and planed time skip and really mature (!) emotional content which reflects the history of civilization from Odysseus till Eminem while also being sociocritical and yet fun to read.
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Old 2013-08-29, 16:40   Link #45
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So who do think is going to be the next villain after joker?
Catwoman or the Penguin perhaps :-p
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Old 2013-08-29, 17:03   Link #46
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Old 2013-08-29, 23:26   Link #47
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That was a good chapter. Garp is old school. If he ever did get a Devil Fruit a Zoan would fit that guy very nicely. That third Gear armor haki is powerful. I wonder if Luffy has stronger armor haki then most people? When his fist expands in 3rd gear it is just has big or bigger then the enemy and he has to cover it all in armor haki. For the enemies they only have to cover all of there bodies or certain parts. So Luffy's has to have stronger armor haki then them right? Has for Burgess he is going to want take Luffy down in the ring. I don't think he will attack luffy in the waiting room, he wants the world to see him do it, and he wants to test himself.

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I do think Burgess will go down. Ever since the time skip began Luffy has done something to piss off a Yonkou. Fisherman Island (Big Mamma), Punk Hazard (Kaidou), now you have Dressrossa the tournament with Burgess (Black Beard). I wonder how Luffy will piss Shanks off? I know Shanks and Luffy are friends but you aren't true friends unless you fight.
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Old 2013-08-30, 01:48   Link #48
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I do think Burgess will go down. Ever since the time skip began Luffy has done something to piss off a Yonkou.

I.... highly doubt that. I don't doubt the possibility of Luffy having a brief tangle with Burgess this arc, but having one of Blackbeard's officers go down within a mere couple of days after the Straw-Hats' arrival to the New World? Don't think so.


If they DO fight, I see it more likely that it gets interrupted before we get any decisive evidence of either combatant's full power. Then after the arc is over, Burgess can report to Teach about how much Luffy has grown over the past two years, which will attract Blackbeard's attention to the Straw-Hats WITHOUT the need to destroy any of his crew or turf. And besides, I can't see Burgess falling to Luffy, anyway. The way I see it, each Blackbeard officer is pretty much reserved for each individual Straw-Hat, and I think it's safe to say that Luffy has exclusive dibs on Teach.....
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Old 2013-08-30, 03:34   Link #49
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Cavendish will surely attack Luffy on his way out of the arena now, since the platform's destroyed. Burgess and Bartolomeo will definitely want a piece of the action. It's a 4 way rumble or maybe 5 with Bellamy.
  • I wonder if Donchinjao keeps sinking, till his head hits the top of the dark factory...
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Old 2013-08-30, 05:31   Link #50
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Luffy vs Burgess here? I think it would end up something like timeskip upgraded Lucci having a fight with pre-arlong Luffy. These guys are end-bosses of One Piece And it will definitely require another upgrade then haki to defeat them.
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Old 2013-08-30, 05:39   Link #51
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Bearing in mind the fact that Luffy was always going to win C block, did Chinjao push him hard enough during their duel to be worthy of the hype surrounding his character? Or was the hype unjustified in the end? It'll be interesting to know people's thoughts on this.
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Old 2013-08-30, 05:44   Link #52
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Luffy vs Burgess here? I think it would end up something like timeskip upgraded Lucci having a fight with pre-arlong Luffy. These guys are end-bosses of One Piece And it will definitely require another upgrade then haki to defeat them.
You just made Burgess sound like he was way stronger than an admiral and Garp as a weakling,since he pulverized 8 mountains to prepare for his clash against Donchinjao's head. The Donchinjao that Luffy defeated, who you think is to weak to face Burgess.
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Old 2013-08-30, 08:31   Link #53
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I.... highly doubt that. I don't doubt the possibility of Luffy having a brief tangle with Burgess this arc, but having one of Blackbeard's officers go down within a mere couple of days after the Straw-Hats' arrival to the New World? Don't think so.


If they DO fight, I see it more likely that it gets interrupted before we get any decisive evidence of either combatant's full power. Then after the arc is over, Burgess can report to Teach about how much Luffy has grown over the past two years, which will attract Blackbeard's attention to the Straw-Hats WITHOUT the need to destroy any of his crew or turf. And besides, I can't see Burgess falling to Luffy, anyway. The way I see it, each Blackbeard officer is pretty much reserved for each individual Straw-Hat, and I think it's safe to say that Luffy has exclusive dibs on Teach.....
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Why not we have Admiral on the scene in mere couple of days after Straw-hat's arrival to the New World. Its luffy and Black Beard that have the connection not Burgess and Luffy. Black Beard is suppose to be the end game right? It was him who brought Ace to the Gallows not Burgess. Luffy is a captain and so is Black Beard. Burgess is subordinate, why does it have to be Luffy climbing the ladder to beat someone? Burgess 2 years ago did not seem all that powerful, so why now does he have to become some end boss for Luffy when he hasn't earned that status? Working for a Yonkou it does not make you invincible. I think a lot of people are looking at Luffy like he still has to grow(and yes he does). Why not look at it the other way and think of him has high level character already? We think Black Beard is powerful because he is Yonkou status. Who is powerful enough to defeat Luffy? So Far Luffy is taking names and kicking ass since the New World. I have yet to see anyone challenge Luffy (and Zoro) yet. Right now Luffy is undefeated in the New World. I think sending Black Beard a message by defeating one of his Subordiantes is just has affective if not more. I think the question should be is Burgess strong enough the face the Captain of the Straw Hat crew?

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Old 2013-08-30, 12:04   Link #54
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Why not we have Admiral on the scene in mere couple of days after Straw-hat's arrival to the New World. Its luffy and Black Beard that have the connection not Burgess and Luffy. Black Beard is suppose to be the end game right? It was him who brought Ace to the Gallows not Burgess. Luffy is a captain and so is Black Beard. Burgess is subordinate, why does it have to be Luffy climbing the ladder to beat someone? Burgess 2 years ago did not seem all that powerful, so why now does he have to become some end boss for Luffy when he hasn't earned that status? Working for a Yonkou it does not make you invincible. I think a lot of people are looking at Luffy like he still has to grow(and yes he does). Why not look at it the other way and think of him has high level character already? We think Black Beard is powerful because he is Yonkou status. Who is powerful enough to defeat Luffy? So Far Luffy is taking names and kicking ass since the New World. I have yet to see anyone challenge Luffy (and Zoro) yet. Right now Luffy is undefeated in the New World. I think sending Black Beard a message by defeating one of his Subordiantes is just has affective if not more. I think the question should be is Burgess strong enough the face the Captain of the Straw Hat crew?
True. Luffy joined the tournament for the sole purpose of winning the fruit, which means, he's going to have to beat everyone that stands in his way...and that includes Burgess.Now regarding Doflamingo, since Law called chopper and he wants them to go pick up CC. Zoro will probably have a higher chance of facing Doflamingo, since he's heading for sunny with wicca. Which means, he might end up helping Nami and end up going with them to green bit.I know a lot of guys here will say that Zoro's not ready to face DD yet, but the fact is, we haven't seen Zoro go all out yet and we have no idea how strong he is now. Same goes for Luffy.
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Old 2013-08-30, 12:38   Link #55
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One Piece isn’t the perfect example for a tactical fighting system (that being HxH in my eyes) but until now all attacks seemed understandable. If Luffy, who trained for two years to gain the strength to become Pirate King while bearing the loss of his brother, is being given the key to achieve his goals by Rayleigh would waste his time to train “cool looking” moves I’d be a little bit disappointed.
And yet, placing an afro on someone's head - making them look cooler - instantly powers up anyone...

Don't stress the details too much. Luffy did not train to create "cool looking" moves, rather Oda draws his moves to be "cool looking".
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Old 2013-08-30, 14:21   Link #57
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Once again, Garp blows my mind. He actually trained to bring down Chinjao by punching mountains until they turned to dust?! WTF?!

Good chapter.
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Old 2013-08-30, 15:50   Link #58
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Wow, the pointy-head Don looks hilarious! I also love that look on his face when both Garp and Luffy landed their blows on his head in the past and present, respectively. So yeah, the C-block's now wrapped up! Now is Rebecca the Fighting Lion's time to shine!

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You just made Burgess sound like he was way stronger than an admiral and Garp as a weakling,since he pulverized 8 mountains to prepare for his clash against Donchinjao's head. The Donchinjao that Luffy defeated, who you think is to weak to face Burgess.

I think people also need to keep in mind that Luffy beat a dude who's most likely past his prime. That also applies to some of the other legends we've seen in the series so far (Whitebeard, Rayleigh, etc.). While the fact that Luffy beat the Don is impressive in itself, he may have had a lot more trouble against the veteran's younger self.....


And now my response to my old friend Gray:

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Why not we have Admiral on the scene in mere couple of days after Straw-hat's arrival to the New World.
Context, man. Remember that the main reason Fujitora is at Dressrosa was because of the news of Luffy's alliance with a (now former) warlord. Now, while it may be true that the purpose of said alliance is to topple an emperor, the marines have no evidence of that yet, nor has Law's plan progressed far enough to attract Kaidou's attention. Nor does it also prove that Luffy (by himself) is capable of thrashing an emperor and his/her strongest underlings at this point in time. Basically, I think you're being a bit premature in predicting that Burgess will meet his downfall this arc.


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Its luffy and Black Beard that have the connection not Burgess and Luffy. Black Beard is suppose to be the end game right?

Blackbeard and his crew, yes. Remember, it wasn't just Teach himself, but his WHOLE crew who had tons of build up since as far back as the Drum storyline. Don't you think that taking out one of Blackbeard's men at this relatively early stage of Luffy and co.'s NW adventure would sort of ruin all of that mystique and build-up they had over all these years (ESPECIALLY now that Teach is a Yonkou)? I mean, it's sorta clear at this point that these guys are meant to be like the evil bizarro versions of the Straw-Hats, so it would be anti-climactic as hell for any one of them to be taken out before a proper, final showdown between both crews takes place closer to the series' end, don't you think?


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It was him who brought Ace to the Gallows not Burgess. Luffy is a captain and so is Black Beard. Burgess is subordinate, why does it have to be Luffy climbing the ladder to beat someone? Burgess 2 years ago did not seem all that powerful, so why now does he have to become some end boss for Luffy when he hasn't earned that status?
See my above response to your previous paragraph, basically. I can only speak for myself here, but to me it would make much more thematic sense if the Straw-Hats faced Blackbeard's crew near the series' end, if not the final arc. And my point was that Burgess wouldn't be an end boss for Luffy, but for a different Straw-Hat. Like I said before, it's the captains who deserve dibs on each other, not a captain against the subordinate.





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Right now Luffy is undefeated in the New World. I think sending Black Beard a message by defeating one of his Subordiantes is just has affective if not more. I think the question should be is Burgess strong enough the face the Captain of the Straw Hat crew?

Another thing, Luffy doesn't really have a reason to take down Burgess, anyway. As you even said yourself, it was Teach who defeated Ace and had him sent to the slammer. Luffy knows this. He has no personal grudge against Burgess, so why bother picking a fight with him? Aside from his connection to Teach, Luffy has no other reason to give a rat's ass about Burgess. Now if he revealed that he's after the fire fruit, that might be a somewhat different story. But that still doesn't mean that Burgess has to be taken out this arc. Like I said before, a short scuffle would be just as effective a message for Teach then a fully blown-out deathmatch.....
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Old 2013-08-30, 17:26   Link #60
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Bearing in mind the fact that Luffy was always going to win C block, did Chinjao push him hard enough during their duel to be worthy of the hype surrounding his character? Or was the hype unjustified in the end? It'll be interesting to know people's thoughts on this.
Chinjao was overhyped. Oda has a tendency of doing this to make victories seem more significant. But the fact of the matter is that Luffy wasn't pushed anywhere near his full capacity. In the end, Chinjao wasn't anything to write home about. Back in his prime, he seemed to be a force to be reckoned with, but it's clear he's lost a lot of strength since then.

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We think Black Beard is powerful because he is Yonkou status. Who is powerful enough to defeat Luffy? So Far Luffy is taking names and kicking ass since the New World. I have yet to see anyone challenge Luffy (and Zoro) yet. Right now Luffy is undefeated in the New World. I think sending Black Beard a message by defeating one of his Subordiantes is just has affective if not more. I think the question should be is Burgess strong enough the face the Captain of the Straw Hat crew?
Luffy hasn't faced any of the big names yet, which is why he appears to be very dominant for the time being. If anything, I anticipate this is the arc where he'll be challenged for real. It's questionable if Luffy can even beat Doflamingo by himself, seeing as how the sinister warlord is dominating Law with ease.

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True. Luffy joined the tournament for the sole purpose of winning the fruit, which means, he's going to have to beat everyone that stands in his way...and that includes Burgess.
You make it sound like the tournament is going to go perfectly smooth. As mentioned before, there's a good likelihood something will interrupt the competition.
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