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Old 2013-09-03, 23:25   Link #1
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[Manga] Naruto Chapter 646 Discussion Thread

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Old 2013-09-10, 03:24   Link #2
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Chapter 646 is out and it feels like Kishi just pulled it straight from his ass!
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Old 2013-09-10, 03:38   Link #3
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lol.
funny chapter
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Old 2013-09-10, 04:59   Link #4
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Chapter 646 is out and it feels like Kishi just pulled it straight from his ass!
That's an understatement. This doesn't just contradict a past event, this contradicts one of the previous core premises of the world itself.

Just.... Gah!
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Old 2013-09-10, 05:07   Link #5
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I think its ok. It's not really deux ex machina. think about it, what exactly is written on the uchiha tablets that makes everyone who reads it lose their shit? I don't think people give enough appreciation to the excellent plot device the tablets are (no sarcasm intended)
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Old 2013-09-10, 05:09   Link #6
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no this was just plain stupid I mean its just another way to drag along this battle and its ridiculous at this point
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Old 2013-09-10, 05:11   Link #7
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no this was just plain stupid I mean its just another way to drag along this battle and its ridiculous at this point
no no, this is laying the story for the next timeskip, i mean we still need to see sasuke and naruto smackdown
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Old 2013-09-10, 06:16   Link #8
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It's just another one of those "but do you know what reeeeally happened!?" moments...not doing anything for the plot though, the only one who cares is Madara - and the time for talking is long over.
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Old 2013-09-10, 06:47   Link #9
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no no, this is laying the story for the next timeskip, i mean we still need to see sasuke and naruto smackdown
im sorry my friend but another timeskip would be idiotic. There is no reason for this I mean the explanation is bad enough but the problem is nobody cares about all this we want to see fighting not dumb explanations
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Old 2013-09-10, 07:12   Link #10
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LOL, So Naruto is actually the sequel to One Piece...

Hey, but Sarutobi is alive. You do need a good Monkey when dealing with forbidden fruits...
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Old 2013-09-10, 07:59   Link #11
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im sorry my friend but another timeskip would be idiotic. There is no reason for this I mean the explanation is bad enough but the problem is nobody cares about all this we want to see fighting not dumb explanations
HEY JUST TRYING TO STAY POSITIVE NARUBRO
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You do need a good Monkey when dealing with forbidden fruits...
Oh James, your'e such a riot with your 80's sophisti-pop references and what not!
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Old 2013-09-10, 08:39   Link #12
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My main problem is that this conflicts with almost every previous establishments of how chakra works. Previously it was a force present in all living things, from humans to animals to plants. The result of molding one's spiritual and physical energies. Now it's... the result of eating some mythic fruit and before it humans never had it in the first place.
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Old 2013-09-10, 08:48   Link #13
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-So, obvious Diabolus Ex Machina aside, anyone got an idea what made Naruto so mad when he looked at Sasuke near the end? At first I thought it was because he wasn't being targeted by the Flower of Doom but then I noticed that Juugo and many other shinobi had the chakra cloak with them still. Then I thought it was because Sasuke had that typical "Meh" expression, but I remembered he is like that anyway on a good day. So what gives here? What's the meaning behind that exchanged glance?
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Old 2013-09-10, 08:56   Link #14
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My main problem is that this conflicts with almost every previous establishments of how chakra works. Previously it was a force present in all living things, from humans to animals to plants. The result of molding one's spiritual and physical energies. Now it's... the result of eating some mythic fruit and before it humans never had it in the first place.
You're oversimplifying it. It's the result of the christ-figure Sage of Six Paths taming the Shinju when it could have easily taken all of the chakra back, and then distributing the power all over the place.

Is this what happens when we get a summary of a past event instead of two or more chapters of flashbacks? You guys are tough to please.
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Old 2013-09-10, 09:04   Link #15
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so we finally have the origin to the sage of six paths, i think it was fine the way they showed how the origin to the chakra and everything was and we finally know what was written on the tablet of uchiha,
i am actually fine with this origin of chakra, it's not simply internal energy or force of nature like how it is showed in most of the shounen series

and so the princess and the sage of six paths were like Kimimaro's ancestors
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Old 2013-09-10, 09:24   Link #16
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My belief? The whole 'Chakra-Granting Fruit' thing is a myth, or an allegory. It's not what really, honestly happened.

Maybe the Six-Paths Sage's mom was just the first person to figure out how to access and harness her chakra (which, as established earlier in the manga, is the present-in-all-things power made from a person's physical and mental energy), and her son was the first scholar of chakra and used what he learned to become the Sage.
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Old 2013-09-10, 09:37   Link #17
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LOL, So Naruto is actually the sequel to One Piece...
my thoughts exactly lol. naruto is now a great example of why origin stories aren't necessary. mythical fantasy worlds just are, we don't need to trace them back to the big bang when something was slightly different than our universe
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Old 2013-09-10, 09:40   Link #18
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and so the princess and the sage of six paths were like Kimimaro's ancestors
I don't know about that, but the story Kishimoto created is obviously influenced by Kaguya-hime from the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter.

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My belief? The whole 'Chakra-Granting Fruit' thing is a myth, or an allegory. It's not what really, honestly happened.
Sadly, allegories, metaphors and similes were not covered in Kishimoto's Writing 101 class (understatement was also left out, but hyperbole was well covered)...

The Jyuubi has become an actual tree, so why wouldn't it grow an actual fruit? It makes more sense as a metaphor (the 'apple' is really the understanding of how to combine previously existing energies - spiritual and physical - into a useable power - chakra), but I seriously doubt Kishimoto is trying for anything symbolic (beyond the allusions already associated with "forbidden fruit").

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Old 2013-09-10, 09:50   Link #19
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was fairly sure it's the author that decides what's cannon and what isn't. He may very well have intended to go this way from the start.
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Old 2013-09-10, 10:06   Link #20
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was fairly sure it's the author that decides what's cannon and what isn't. He may very well have intended to go this way from the start.
I'd agree with this, if it didn't contradict so much of what happened before.
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