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View Poll Results: Danganronpa - Episode 11 Rating
Perfect 10 3 14.29%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 6 28.57%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 6 28.57%
7 out of 10 : Good 3 14.29%
6 out of 10 : Average 0 0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 9.52%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
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2 out of 10 : Very Bad 1 4.76%
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Old 2013-09-16, 20:41   Link #61
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The end approaches.

At least, I have one of my theories partially confirmed.

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We have more facts:
1. The Principal was Kirigiri's father.
2. She lost contact with him for a time, which would likely explain the two year timeframe when the Super Duper Incident happened at the school.
3. She had herself scouted in order to enter Hope's Peak Academy as a participating student to find out clues about what happened to her father.

If MonoBear had to end the classroom trial in such unreasonable conditions in order to make a culprit out of Naegi and have him executed, then the mastermind is in a dire situation at being checkmated. Hence, that would explain MonoBear's special rule for the last classroom trial to have the survivors solved all the mysteries; it's an all or nothing gamble for both sides.

I have to be honest with my theories:
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Old 2013-09-18, 03:58   Link #62
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rushed.... it will be better if they split this episode into two episodes... one to explain Naegi's guilty trial... one for his rescue

many potentials are wasted... although it's still decent and enough to give some explanation about the improvement of relationship between Naegi and Kirigiri.. yes!!! Ship is sailing!!!

Byakuya just lost his place in late episode.... emerging as one of genius and calm person... now he really looks weak... He should gain his composure... I'm hoping him to play part in pushing Monokuma in final trials
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Old 2013-09-18, 12:42   Link #63
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3. She had herself scouted in order to enter Hope's Peak Academy as a participating student to find out clues about what happened to her father.
I must have missed the point where they said it, either way its a mistake made by the anime.
The reason why she wanted to meet him was
Spoiler for Reason - Should have been while climbing the ladder:
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Old 2013-09-19, 00:57   Link #64
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I was waiting for someone else to mention it, but it looks like nobody is going to, so... Monokuma was talking to somebody off-screen in the last scene. Now, if it's true that the only ones to have set foot alive in Hope's Peak during this game are 16 students, doesn't that mean that Monokuma is being controlled by someone outside the school? Inside the school we have Naegi, Kirigiri, Asahina, Hagakure, Fukawa, and Togami, who were all in the cafeteria, and then we have whichever one is alive of Junko or Mukuro (if either of them is alive), who would presumably be the person off-screen. So either someone ELSE we think is dead is still alive, or there are more people involved in the game than we've been shown.
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Old 2013-09-19, 02:50   Link #65
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Up till this point. Do you still believe there's still another brand new character? If not, then the mastermind must be one of the students.

Also what do you mean by him talking to someone else offscreen? The scene after the ED? If so, then he is talking to us, the viewers.
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Old 2013-09-19, 05:12   Link #66
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I was waiting for someone else to mention it, but it looks like nobody is going to, so... Monokuma was talking to somebody off-screen in the last scene. Now, if it's true that the only ones to have set foot alive in Hope's Peak during this game are 16 students, doesn't that mean that Monokuma is being controlled by someone outside the school? Inside the school we have Naegi, Kirigiri, Asahina, Hagakure, Fukawa, and Togami, who were all in the cafeteria, and then we have whichever one is alive of Junko or Mukuro (if either of them is alive), who would presumably be the person off-screen. So either someone ELSE we think is dead is still alive, or there are more people involved in the game than we've been shown.
I will say something to that as soon as I know whether they cut it.
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Old 2013-09-19, 06:57   Link #67
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I was waiting for someone else to mention it, but it looks like nobody is going to, so... Monokuma was talking to somebody off-screen in the last scene. Now, if it's true that the only ones to have set foot alive in Hope's Peak during this game are 16 students, doesn't that mean that Monokuma is being controlled by someone outside the school? Inside the school we have Naegi, Kirigiri, Asahina, Hagakure, Fukawa, and Togami, who were all in the cafeteria, and then we have whichever one is alive of Junko or Mukuro (if either of them is alive), who would presumably be the person off-screen. So either someone ELSE we think is dead is still alive, or there are more people involved in the game than we've been shown.
Considering the fact that Monokuma remained inexplicably inactive for the whole time when the last murder happened and considering that everyone had an alibi except Naegi and Kirigiri (which are hardly the culprits) I say that the puppetmaster is definitely inside the school.

As Kirigiri said the victim was supposed to be Naegi, when that failed the puppetmaster had to be "creative" and used a corpse among the many that he had already collected.

There is another hint about that. Every night Monokuma announced the start of nighttime and at that particular time he always sealed a particular area: that is the cafeteria and kitchen annexed. Why that particular area? But I guess it could also have been to let the 16th student eat without risking to be discovered.
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Old 2013-09-19, 07:29   Link #68
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There is another hint about that. Every night Monokuma announced the start of nighttime and at that particular time he always sealed a particular area: that is the cafeteria and kitchen annexed. Why that particular area? But I guess it could also have been to let the 16th student eat without risking to be discovered.
But this contradicts the theory you made in the other thread. If I'm not wrong, Night Time is there for students to have an "easier" time to murder. This game is practically the werewolf game combine with battle royale elements.
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Old 2013-09-19, 07:51   Link #69
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But this contradicts the theory you made in the other thread. If I'm not wrong, Night Time is there for students to have an "easier" time to murder. This game is practically the werewolf game combine with battle royale elements.
Uh? Where's the contradiction? And how exactly Monokuma made killing easier during nighttime?

If there's anyone that made it easier, that's Celes with her rule (which very few respected anyway), not Monokuma.
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Old 2013-09-19, 09:53   Link #70
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The werewolf game is a deduction game. In Japan's version (not sure about other places), usually 10-20 people will take part in it.

Take a 18-player game for example:

5 players belong to the Werewolf Team: 4 x Werewolf, 1 x Worshipper
12 players belong to the Human Team: 6 x Villagers, 1 x Hunter, 1 x Detective, 1 x Spirit Medium, 2 x Partner, 1 x Nekomata
Last player belongs to the Demon Fox Team on his own

Villagers: No special powers
Detective: Able to pick 1 player each turn to ask about their role. If it is Werewolf, all players simply know about his role. If it is Demon Fox, it dies. Every other role will come out as Villagers.
Partners: Know who each other is. No other powers.
Spirit Medium: When a character is killed every turn, he can check their roles. If it is Werewolf, it will be revealed as Werewolf. Every other roles will come out as Villagers.
Hunter: Can pick any player besides himself to protect. If that person was chosen to die, he will be protected. If the Werewolf is picked, the Hunter dies.
Nekomata: If was chosen to be killed by the Werewolf, the Werewolf dies together with Nekomata. If Nekomata was executed wrongly, a random player is executed as well.
Werewolf: Come out during Night Time each turn and decide together on which player to kill. Unable to kill the Demon Fox.
Worshipper: No special powers, other than being in the Werewolf Team. If all Werewolves are killed, the team loses even if the Worshipper still lives.
Demon Fox: Can only be killed by the Detective, no other special powers.

Rules:
A narrator exists to narrate the entire game movements. Each turn the werewolves decide on who to kill. Start of new turn, the player is killed (eliminated). Only the Demon Fox, or protected players can't be killed. Regardless, the rest of the players will have to deduce who is the werewolf through discussions. During discussions, players can reveal their own roles, or lie about it. At the end, if the werewolf is correctly found, it will be killed. The wrongly accused will be executed. You will only know if you picked correctly through the Spirit Medium, though if he is killed early, gg. Human Team wins once the Demon Fox and Werewolves are killed. Werewolf Team wins when the Demon Fox is killed, and the number of players in the Human Team equals their own. Demon Fox wins when all Werewolves are dead.

Battle Royale is a manga where a group of students have to kill each other and only the last survivor can get to live.


TL;DR Basically, Danganronpa's is a combination of the werewolf game and battle royale manga. Not Phoenix Wright as many would think. Werewolf game is where each "night" someone will be killed when everyone else is sleeping. Only the culprits are awake. Thus, this is why Danganronpa has the Night Time. Nothing to do with the Mastermind.
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Old 2013-09-19, 10:16   Link #71
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TL;DR Basically, Danganronpa's is a combination of the werewolf game and battle royale manga. Not Phoenix Wright as many would think. Werewolf game is where each "night" someone will be killed when everyone else is sleeping. Only the culprits are awake. Thus, this is why Danganronpa has the Night Time. Nothing to do with the Mastermind.
The problem with this is that once someone enters his/her own room, they are unkillable, unless they let themselves be tricked. No one can simply enter someone else's room and kill the sleeping person, because the doors to the bedrooms are locked and have an anti-lockpicking-system included too. So at night time the own bedroom is the safest place.... the mastermind has his ways to enter though...
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Old 2013-09-19, 10:33   Link #72
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While there are similarities with the werewolf game ultimately danganronpa is not a werewolf game. There are many things that simply are not the same, for example there are no preset roles, the victory and losing conditions are completely different and people can actually investigate the crime scenes and determine the culprit using clues rather than simply analyzing other people's behaviors.

Besides there is at least one person that wasn't killed during nighttime at all (Yamada) and another (Sakura) that while being the victim in a trial didn't die during a night phase.

In addition several people were awake during nighttime when a crime occurred. For example Togami witnessed Mondo, which is something that can't possibly happen in a werewolf game unless someone cheats and pretty much everyone but Naegi was awake during the last "murder".

In the end I don't see much merit in thinking too hard about Danganronpa as a werewolf game.
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Old 2013-09-19, 12:42   Link #73
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Up till this point. Do you still believe there's still another brand new character? If not, then the mastermind must be one of the students.

Also what do you mean by him talking to someone else offscreen? The scene after the ED? If so, then he is talking to us, the viewers.
It would be very odd if there were an unannounced character, but Monokuma was clearly talking to someone off-screen ("You'd better keep your word") for a moment before going back to talking to the students.

Also, please note that I was not talking about the mastermind at all; I was talking about the person controlling Monokuma. Considering that he seemed concerned the person he was talking to might break their word, I think there's reason to believe that the mastermind and Monokuma's controller are not the same person.

And I didn't see any scene after the ED in the version I watched, so I wouldn't know about that.

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Considering the fact that Monokuma remained inexplicably inactive for the whole time when the last murder happened and considering that everyone had an alibi except Naegi and Kirigiri (which are hardly the culprits) I say that the puppetmaster is definitely inside the school.
Yeah, that does make things odd.

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As Kirigiri said the victim was supposed to be Naegi, when that failed the puppetmaster had to be "creative" and used a corpse among the many that he had already collected.

There is another hint about that. Every night Monokuma announced the start of nighttime and at that particular time he always sealed a particular area: that is the cafeteria and kitchen annexed. Why that particular area? But I guess it could also have been to let the 16th student eat without risking to be discovered.
It was established early on that the kitchen is restocked every night, so obviously the mastermind wouldn't want any of the students in there when whatever access door the person who does the restocking uses is open.
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Old 2013-09-19, 12:53   Link #74
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It would be very odd if there were an unannounced character, but Monokuma was clearly talking to someone off-screen ("You'd better keep your word") for a moment before going back to talking to the students.
Actually, the animators made a mistake and thought it was a good idea to make Monokuma tilt his head a bit, but since he doesn't have "eyes", it doesn't look like your usual head tilt, because he was supposed to stare at them. Generally this pose would work with a normal character (the usual snide smile while head tilting), but not on Monokuma, especially with goofy budget.
Monokuma tells the students that so he wouldn't be disappointed by the "final". He was not talking to anyone else.

I'm not doing this to purposedly shot down your theory, but I have to correct a mistake done by the anime.
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Old 2013-09-19, 18:37   Link #75
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It was established early on that the kitchen is restocked every night, so obviously the mastermind wouldn't want any of the students in there when whatever access door the person who does the restocking uses is open.
That's what I used to think but if there are no other persons except the 16 students inside the school then such person, servants, minions or whatever do not exist.
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Old 2013-09-21, 14:39   Link #76
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People probably forgot all about the fact that pinning the wrong culprit would normally get everyone killed, so Kirigiri never threw anyone "under the bus, I mean she had no way of knowing the trial would be rigged.
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Okay then. Thanks for the correction.
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