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Old 2013-09-25, 11:28   Link #21
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^My guess is that Dofla probably pulled a Sabo and simply decided to abandon the lifestyle of a noble. Why? Well, that's anyone's guess. It definitely seems that he's been living a "commoner's" life for a long time, though. I mean, Oda's SBS drawing of him as a kid even seems to indicate that much.
Commoner, huh? He doesn't look much like one both now & then. Good chapter nonetheless.
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Old 2013-09-25, 12:14   Link #22
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So Donquixote family is a world noble family? Well, it was strongly hinted, so not too surprising.

But I wonder though, what Doflamingo's position in his family is. Why is he "only" a Shichibukai?
He could have the same (or even better) protection, if he was known as celestial dragon. Did he get expelled? Interesting indeed.
I think he DOES still have all the protections that the celestrial dragons have; the public just isn't aware of it. I think most like, he wanted to go play pirate, but could not as a celestrial dragon, so he keeps his connection a secret and gets his public marine protection through his warlord status... however the WG knows his TRUE heritage and thus provide him with anything they would grant any other Celestrial dragon; hence how he was able to manipulate the news to trick law and get direct assistance from CP0.
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Old 2013-09-25, 12:26   Link #23
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At the very least we know Doflamingo is of noble lineage. And if he's in fact a celestial dragon, then that explains why Fujitora isn't attacking him.
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Old 2013-09-25, 12:45   Link #24
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Why was DoFlamingo randomly telling his backstory to Law and the fat blind admiral guy? It seemed very contrived...

And I imagine that the Nefertari family decided to stay in Arabasta in order to protect the poneglyph.
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Old 2013-09-25, 14:03   Link #25
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Why was DoFlamingo randomly telling his backstory to Law and the fat blind admiral guy? It seemed very contrived...

Heh, I said something similar right on the previous page. But I guess it's like Dark_Ritual said about Dofla not bothering to hide anything anymore after tricking the marines.



Anyway, something occurred to me: Could the Goa Kingdom (Luffy's home island in East Blue, remember) be one of the nations that founded the WG? If so, it starts to make a lot of sense why we saw a world noble visiting the island during Luffy's flashback. Like maybe it became standard for representatives from the nations' former ruling families to periodically check the state of affairs of their ancestral homes to make sure the country remains stable under the replacement rulers, or something like that. At least, that could partially explain how Dofla became Dressrosa's new ruler, whether or not he actually framed the former Riku king.....
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Old 2013-09-25, 15:29   Link #26
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I think he DOES still have all the protections that the celestrial dragons have; the public just isn't aware of it. I think most like, he wanted to go play pirate, but could not as a celestrial dragon, so he keeps his connection a secret and gets his public marine protection through his warlord status...
But why should he keep his lineage a secret?
Everyone knows, that the Celestial Dragons are totally egoistic and can do whatever they want. And nobody is allowed to stand up to them.
It's not like they have some good reputation to lose.


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And I imagine that the Nefertari family decided to stay in Arabasta in order to protect the poneglyph.
Why should they protect it?
From all we know, the porneglyphs are from the party, that opposed the people which later became the WG. So if anything, they should have tried to destroy it, or hide it forever (which they did I think), but not protect it.
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Old 2013-09-25, 17:52   Link #27
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Heh, I said something similar right on the previous page. But I guess it's like Dark_Ritual said about Dofla not bothering to hide anything anymore after tricking the marines.
That's not quite my point. The scene only really makes sense from an outside perspective (i.e. the reader's), as we learn Rebecca's history concurrently to the Donquixote family. But, unlike Rebecca - whose background was told directly to Luffy as a means of explaining not only her place in the Arena, also the island's history and various other topics of interest in this arc - Doflamingo not only has no real purpose for explaining his history to Law and old-fat-blind-Admiral, but there's also no reason to explain the impact of his history to anyone around him (e.g. they do not really matter to the situation of the island (obviously, they could do something useful with the info in the future)). There is no contextual reason for DoFlamingo to be moving the story along, his exposition seems to be only there for the audience and not his captive or the Admiral.

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Why should they protect it?
From all we know, the porneglyphs are from the party, that opposed the people which later became the WG. So if anything, they should have tried to destroy it, or hide it forever (which they did I think), but not protect it.
Doflamingo's speech did not indicate to me that the Nefertari family was opposed to the creation of the WG (especially considering there continued presence in the world and their later attendance at the Kings Summit), just living on the top of the world.

And I expect they were only protecting Pluton in case another Mega Ultra weapon was revived rather than any specific use against the WG.
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Old 2013-09-25, 18:36   Link #28
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That's not quite my point. The scene only really makes sense from an outside perspective (i.e. the reader's), as we learn Rebecca's history concurrently to the Donquixote family. But, unlike Rebecca - whose background was told directly to Luffy as a means of explaining not only her place in the Arena, also the island's history and various other topics of interest in this arc - Doflamingo not only has no real purpose for explaining his history to Law and old-fat-blind-Admiral, but there's also no reason to explain the impact of his history to anyone around him (e.g. they do not really matter to the situation of the island (obviously, they could do something useful with the info in the future)). There is no contextual reason for DoFlamingo to be moving the story along, his exposition seems to be only there for the audience and not his captive or the Admiral.


Well, as far as the part in bold is concerned, my guess is that he probably feels that he owes Law the explanation at the very least, as they were former partners (Dofla even said he considered him to be like a brother). I mean, apparently everyone in Dofla's inner circle is aware of his past, if we think back to Vergo's warning to Law near the end of PH. So maybe this is supposed to be like a last favor of sorts to Law before he finishes him off, maybe?


As far as Fujitora goes, I'm still gonna stick with the idea of Dofla simply not bothering to hide anything from the marines anymore after having trolled them.
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Old 2013-09-25, 21:08   Link #29
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So the Nefertari family essentially declined attaining nobility status and instead opted to remain in their Alabasta kingdom homeland. This is very interesting. I wonder how the world nobles perceive Cobra. They probably have disdain for the man. Now I'm more eager to see the upcoming Reverie event in due time.
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Old 2013-09-26, 01:00   Link #30
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As predicted Cavendish did came to Rebecca's aid and he impressed Luffy.
I think this is leading up to Cavendish becoming either a Strawhat ( this is what i am more inclined to) or at the very least an ally pirate group.
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Old 2013-09-26, 01:43   Link #31
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I think this is leading up to Cavendish becoming either a Strawhat ( this is what i am more inclined to)

Why? Cavendish is already captain of his own crew. And note that Luffy said he still dislikes him despite his defending of Rebecca. His chances of jumping ship look mighty slim to me (if he has any chance AT ALL, lol ).


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Now I'm more eager to see the upcoming Reverie event in due time.

You and me both, my friend. Also, along with finding out the Nefertari's reputation along with the world nobles, I'm really interested in learning the identities of the rest of the royal families that founded the WG, as well as the respective replacement rulers of their old home turfs. As I said in a previous post, I'm particularly interested in finding out whether or not the Goa kingdom was involved with the WG's birth....
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Old 2013-09-26, 03:09   Link #32
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Why? Cavendish is already captain of his own crew. And note that Luffy said he still dislikes him despite his defending of Rebecca. His chances of jumping ship look mighty slim to me (if he has any chance AT ALL, lol ).

Luffy's words can not be taken too seriously. He might say he dislike him but really not dislike him. Or he might even want him to join the crew because he dislikes him. I wouldn't underestimate the level of luffy's logic .

He was super mad and pissed ( even disliked or worse) at Robin too when he supposedly killed Vivi's guardian ( i forgot his name). He went to beat the crap out of Franky when they did that to Ussop ( though he wasn't home). That didn't stop them from joining. As story progressed the background and required requirement for them to join was given. All cavendish has done for Luffy to dislike him was him attacking Luffy non stop. He hasn't done any major deed ( like robin and franky) that would make luffy super mad so in his case it would be easier to set up.

As for Captain of his own crew argument, well Franky had a whole bunch of people following him too and didn't stop him (and only him) to join the crew. We don't even know how big Cavendish's crew is. It could be like 2 people for all we know. But since Franky did join, there is always a chance that both Cavendish and Law ( less of a chance maybe) to join the strawhats.

But ya, i think even if they don't join Strawhats per se, i think it is given ( strongly hinted at the very least) that they will become allies ( maybe against Kaido).
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Old 2013-09-26, 03:57   Link #33
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As predicted Cavendish did came to Rebecca's aid and he impressed Luffy.
I think this is leading up to Cavendish becoming either a Strawhat ( this is what i am more inclined to) or at the very least an ally pirate group.

That would be awesome if he joins the crew, at least the Strawhat pirates will have a redeeming reputation with his beauty that shocked the world three years ago. He is the total opposite of Sanji as to attraction-- one is drawn to beauties while the other draws them with his beauty, but I doubt he'll join them. He's already the captain of his own crew, and Jinbei hasn't shown up yet.
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Old 2013-09-26, 04:55   Link #34
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Not a bad chapter. Unless Law has a plan B, this officially leaves the straw hats has the only ones leading this operation. The history is becoming more clear, but i wonder if this means the celestial dragons want to retake the rest of their Kingdoms back? Also why do they have interest in retaking Dressrosa? Another question is did Daflamingo become a pirate because he wanted to or was he put there? I could see the Celestial Dragons wanting to keep an eye on the pirates through other means other than the usual(Marines and CP intelligence). I wonder if there will be a looming war between the Celestial Dragons (former rulers) and the new royalty over kingdoms(if the plan is to take back the kingdoms they left)? How many former kingdoms have joined Monkey D. Dragon and the revolution? Vivi having Celestial Dragon lineage is weird. I wonder if Nefertari kept their Celestial Dragon title?
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Old 2013-09-26, 05:03   Link #35
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That would be awesome if he joins the crew, at least the Strawhat pirates will have a redeeming reputation with his beauty that shocked the world three years ago. He is the total opposite of Sanji as to attraction-- one is drawn to beauties while the other draws them with his beauty, but I doubt he'll join them. He's already the captain of his own crew, and Jinbei hasn't shown up yet.

I can see it now, Cavendish and Sanji always getting into arguments and Cavendish making fun of Sanji for not being as popular. But In times of need they will help each other, ... .

To go against a Yonko strawhats would need as many new Nakama as possible. It could be in form of a strawhat or allied pirates. Imo Cavendish is one of the two.
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Old 2013-09-26, 06:26   Link #36
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What I liked most about this chapter, was the Toy Solider's speech in regards to the dread and terror they suffered on that fateful day 10 years ago. One was really able to feel the bottled-up emotions he's got towards Doflamingo.

The most interesting/informative revelation made Doflamingo, of course. So I guess everyone wants to know, why he doesn't wear a glass bowl on his head and how he got to his actual position.
Also, it would be interesting to know, why the ancestors of the Nefertaris didn't join the other royals to live in Mariejois. I wouldn't be surprised if the Poneglyph had something to do with it.

On a side note, it's good to see you're back, Whitemoon. Haven't seen you since our last discussion in the 720 thread.


But one question still bugs me: Why'd he bring a horse and a loud-speaker?

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The history is becoming more clear, but i wonder if this means the celestial dragons want to retake the rest of their Kingdoms back? Also why do they have interest in retaking Dressrosa? Another question is did Daflamingo become a pirate because he wanted to or was he put there? I could see the Celestial Dragons wanting to keep an eye on the pirates through other means other than the usual(Marines and CP intelligence). I wonder if there will be a looming war between the Celestial Dragons (former rulers) and the new royalty over kingdoms(if the plan is to take back the kingdoms they left)? How many former kingdoms have joined Monkey D. Dragon and the revolution? Vivi having Celestial Dragon lineage is weird. I wonder if Nefertari kept their Celestial Dragon title?
The royals, whose descendants are the CD, simply left those kingdoms to reside in Mariejois, but the kingdoms are still affiliated with and under the control of the World Government. As the descendents of those, who created the WG in the first place, they don't need to take anything back, which is "their's" anyway.

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Old 2013-09-26, 07:34   Link #37
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What I liked most about this chapter, was the Toy Solider's speech in regards to the dread and terror they suffered on that fateful day 10 years ago. One was really able to feel the bottled-up emotions he's got towards Doflamingo.

The most interesting/informative revelation made Doflamingo, of course. So I guess everyone wants to know, why he doesn't wear a glass bowl on his head and how he got to his actual position.
Also, it would be interesting to know, why the ancestors of the Nefertaris didn't join the other royals to live in Mariejois. I wouldn't be surprised if the Poneglyph had something to do with it.

On a side note, it's good to see you're back, Whitemoon. Haven't seen you since our last discussion in the 720 thread.


But one question still bugs me: Why'd he bring a horse and a loud-speaker?

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The royals, whose descendants are the CD, simply left those kingdoms to reside in Mariejois, but the kingdoms are still affiliated with and under the control of the World Government. As the descendents of those, who created the WG in the first place, they don't need to take anything back, which is "their's" anyway.
Sup Ri0 . been a bit busy mate ( totaly forgot about it *_*). Just a small touch on our conversation from then,
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As for horse and speaker, probably for comedy . I love the horse though.
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Old 2013-09-26, 07:35   Link #38
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Isn't Cavendish a girl pretending to be a guy?
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^erm, no

@ Whitemoon: The question was rather rethorical

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^erm, no

@ Whitemoon: The question was rather rethorical

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