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Old 2013-09-26, 09:12   Link #41
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The royals, whose descendants are the CD, simply left those kingdoms to reside in Mariejois, but the kingdoms are still affiliated with and under the control of the World Government. As the descendents of those, who created the WG in the first place, they don't need to take anything back, which is "their's" anyway.
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Then why did Daflamingo need to retake Dressrosa by force? Shouldn't he just have asked or let them know about his Lineage? Why didn't the Rikku Family just agree to the terms and leave peacefully? Its been 800 years since the Creator family left their kingdoms, so some of the kingdoms might have split and left the WG. There are existing Islands that don't operate under the WG (Wano, Islands under Yonkous like fisherman Island, and the countries under Monkey D. Dragon). What if some of the kingdoms lay within there territory or swearing allegiance to them (especially Dragon the revolutionary)?
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Old 2013-09-26, 19:17   Link #42
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Haha. Loved the end of the Cavendish part... speakers on a steed.
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Old 2013-09-26, 22:01   Link #43
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So far so good, for the SH's. Brook defeated Jora and Zoro got information regarding the Donquixote's strongest officers. Law's the only one in a bad situation. He might be recharging his powers for one last attempt to teleport himself, but I don't see that working against Fuji and Dofla.

Now it would be interesting to see how the Sunny team, Zoro and Sanji pull a rescue mission on Law, while an admiral and a shichibukai's on watch.
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Old 2013-09-27, 00:52   Link #44
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So far so good, for the SH's. Brook defeated Jora and Zoro got information regarding the Donquixote's strongest officers. Law's the only one in a bad situation. He might be recharging his powers for one last attempt to teleport himself, but I don't see that working against Fuji and Dofla.

Now it would be interesting to see how the Sunny team, Zoro and Sanji pull a rescue mission on Law
, while an admiral and a shichibukai's on watch.
He might get captured maybe. Or even maybe all of them might get captured who knows. Then we can have an arc where Strawhats rush to Impel down to save their Nakama. There they can rescue Number 2 and he can join their crew . Even if it's law that might get captured and sent to Impel down, Luffy would still invade impel down for just one person. That's how Luffy is.

Another possibility is that we might have a new character or ( known character) show up and save the day. We might have revolutionaries. It could be from kaido's faction ( or even kaido himself).

Just 2 possibilities out of many.
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Old 2013-09-27, 06:47   Link #45
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Then why did Daflamingo need to retake Dressrosa by force? Shouldn't he just have asked or let them know about his Lineage? Why didn't the Rikku Family just agree to the terms and leave peacefully? Its been 800 years since the Creator family left their kingdoms, so some of the kingdoms might have split and left the WG. There are existing Islands that don't operate under the WG (Wano, Islands under Yonkous like fisherman Island, and the countries under Monkey D. Dragon). What if some of the kingdoms lay within there territory or swearing allegiance to them (especially Dragon the revolutionary)?

First of all, Dolfamingo doesn't appear to be the kind of guy, who relies on his status, if it isn't absolutely necessary (i.e. being stripped of his Shichibukai status, turning him into a mere noble pirate ). Otherwise, he wouldn't have gone through the trouble of becoming an underworld broker or pirate. Like Law said, he worked a couple of years to achieve this status on his own accord and not by relying on his nobility lineage, spreading the word that he’s a Celestial Dragon to everyone standing in his way.


Furhtermore, I don't think, Dressrosa turned it's back on the WG. Doflamingo would have announced something along the lines of "The government saved your asses from your despicable king – cherish them forever" or something similar. He simply said, that he freed the inhabitants of their king, so this was more a struggle for power like the case of Alabasta. Alabasta is part of the WG but Crocodile wanted to have a kingdom for himself. Remember that the kingdoms stay autonomous for most of the time.

Of course it could be the case, that Dressrosa fell under Dragon’s or one of the Yonko’s command, but with the facts presented, I strongly doubt it.
The island is very close to the former Marine HQ, where many VA and the Admirals resided. I don’t think the marines would let a place, which is so close to the government’s “heart”, being controlled by pirates or revolutionaries or simply accept the fact that one of the “Creator Kingdoms” leaves the WG.
In addition, I doubt that back then, Dragon's army would have had the capability of bringing an island in such a close proximity to Marine HQ under its control.

On a side-note: Taking Fishman Islands's location into account, I find it strange for it to be a kind of an outlaw island for so long. I always wondered, why the WG never took it under its control, as it is a central point for every pirate, except Shiki, who's heading to the New World and, on top, is only a couple kilometres away from Mariejois.

@Whitemoon: You’re right, we maltreated the rest of the forum enough with this pointless debate

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Old 2013-09-27, 08:50   Link #46
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The WG probably already knows, I mean his last name is Donquixote after all.
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Old 2013-09-27, 10:42   Link #47
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The WG probably already kknows, I mean his last name is Donquixote after all.
It's pretty certain they know, because CP-0, serving directly under the Tenryubito, is on Dressrosa and tried to clear the confusion about Doflamingo revoking his title.

And it's, that the name is kinda obvious
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Old 2013-09-27, 16:37   Link #48
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Anyways, something I've wanted to point out for a while is that I find it interesting that Oda hasn't fully revealed the designs of ANY of Dofla's top officers so far. I mean, even in the case of Diamante (the officer we've seen the most of so far,) we've barely seen more than his face. I don't think Oda's ever taken the time to gradually reveal the sub-bosses like this before, has he? He's done it plenty of time with main villains, but lackeys are another story, I think.....
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Old 2013-09-27, 18:20   Link #49
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Anyways, something I've wanted to point out for a while is that I find it interesting that Oda hasn't fully revealed the designs of ANY of Dofla's top officers so far. I mean, even in the case of Diamante (the officer we've seen the most of so far,) we've barely seen more than his face. I don't think Oda's ever taken the time to gradually reveal the sub-bosses like this before, has he? He's done it plenty of time with main villains, but lackeys are another story, I think.....
They could have a significance to the plot. Maybe they are former known characters that we have seen before.
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Old 2013-09-28, 01:53   Link #50
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@Whitemoon: You’re right, we maltreated the rest of the forum enough with this pointless debate
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Why did you bother responding to the Link 34 and Link 41 if this is what you feel about the debate? You reply to my posts then you put this comment afterwards. Did anyone force you to reply to the post?
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Old 2013-09-28, 04:21   Link #51
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They could have a significance to the plot. Maybe they are former known characters that we have seen before.
Obviously they are, I mean they are the core members based on this card theme Doflamingo has going and they were the ones who destroyed the former kingdom.
But I doubt we already know them, he did the same thing with Vergo who we didn't knew. Besides wouldn't it be a better hype if they are revealed to be people we know it could start all kinds of speculation and possibilities hyping them even further.
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Old 2013-09-28, 06:24   Link #52
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At the very least we know Doflamingo is of noble lineage. And if he's in fact a celestial dragon, then that explains why Fujitora isn't attacking him.
Fujitora already attack Dofla with meteor...

What confuses me here is the rank between WG and world nobles, Who is more powerful between them ? If the more powerful is world nobles, then how if the member of world nobles like Doflamingo makes a crime ? Whether WG would arrest Doflamingo for justice or do nothing ?
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Old 2013-09-28, 06:43   Link #53
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The WG probably don't consider him a noble anymore since he became a pirate.
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Old 2013-09-28, 07:07   Link #54
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What confuses me here is the rank between WG and world nobles, Who is more powerful between them ? If the more powerful is world nobles, then how if the member of world nobles like Doflamingo makes a crime ? Whether WG would arrest Doflamingo for justice or do nothing ?
IIRC the world nobles aka. Celestial Dragons are untouchable and can do whatever crime they want, which was made pretty clear during the Sabaody-arc.

Isn't the WG just an institution created by the World Nobles (consisting of them) to protect their status?
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Old 2013-09-28, 10:50   Link #55
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Why did you bother responding to the Link 34 and Link 41 if this is what you feel about the debate? You reply to my posts then you put this comment afterwards. Did anyone force you to reply to the post?
My post you quoted, was adressed to Whitemoon, because we had a debate about (If you and me are honest, Whitemoon ) minor details of a theory Whitemoon posted.

I bothered responding to your posts because I wanted to address some points, cause I had another opinion and thought forums exist to discuss

Altough off-topic: I personally don't quite agree with Mrs. Wagner. It would be a rather pitiful existance, if that was the sole reason for language.
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Old 2013-09-28, 13:08   Link #56
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Fujitora already attack Dofla with meteor...

What confuses me here is the rank between WG and world nobles, Who is more powerful between them ?
That meteor was directed at Law, but it was so big that both Law and Doflamingo had to stop it together.

The WG, or more specifically, the gorosei (five elders) are the highest authority in the world. So that means they're above the world nobles.
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Old 2013-09-28, 20:08   Link #57
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So far the only hype we got from Doflamingo's strongest officers was the annihilation of the Riku royal army. If those armies are like the typical kingdom armies, then a logia like Caribou could have done the same thing. The question is, will they even give Zoro, Sanji and Franky a good fight?

I hope Luffy gets the chance to fight Doflamingo or Burgess in this arc. That way we can have a little idea of how strong Luffy really is. Luffy and Zoro's strength is still an enigma after the time skip.
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Old 2013-09-28, 21:44   Link #58
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Luffy and Zoro's strength is still an enigma after the time skip.
All of the strawhats have yet to go all out. Doflamingo should prove to be a very challenging test for Luffy.
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Old 2013-09-28, 23:56   Link #59
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That meteor was directed at Law, but it was so big that both Law and Doflamingo had to stop it together.

The WG, or more specifically, the gorosei (five elders) are the highest authority in the world. So that means they're above the world nobles.
Are the Gorosei really above the World Nobles?
I was under the impression that the Gorosei were the legislative branch and the World Nobles were the Heads of State in a sort of unelected, quasi-Westminster parliamentary system. Kinda like how the Prime Ministers of England, Canada, Australia, etc. and their cabinets are the de facto executive bodies of the Commonwealth countries while the Queen is the de jure source of executive power within the system.
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Old 2013-09-29, 04:21   Link #60
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Are the Gorosei really above the World Nobles?
Aren't they part of the world nobles themselves?
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