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Old 2013-10-21, 12:36   Link #261
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I agree with you wild lion.I think that more girls will be add after the vol 18.
The author will have that show ise making a great miracle in vol 17.Defeat a norse god is the best thing for this and with this,ise can finally control completely his crimson queen.what you think?
I am agree with you peinmaximus@, it's time for issei to shine in battle, and issei must finally control completely his crimson queen, but this is not all, there are a lot of things that he can improve, for example:

This TWO new White Chibi Dragons that can Reflect and Divide, they can transform in TWO Dragons of 15 meters everyone and with the power similar to a Dragong King everyone. This idea come to my mind following the theory of Ryuuteimaru(Ryuuteimaru initially bears a resemblance to a toy boat, but will eventually change in size and shape along with Issei's growth.).

Ascalon, currently the weakest sword in DxD Team, it even can not kill the new evil dragons and can not do anything against Rizevim, i hope that a miracle can make Ascalon Improve, for example a Fusion of Ascalon with the Copy of Mjolnir(Issei Used it to defeat Loki, Only the ones with pure hearth can use it), using the Alquimia, the same method used to fuse Durandal and Excalibur.

Improve his Dragon aura to fight one to one against Rizevim.
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Old 2013-10-21, 12:57   Link #262
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too early to conclude that Rias has Surpassed Issei with her new move. We don't even know how she fights Grendel (one-one, Fight with the others).

Issei always faces opponents who are stronger and more experience than him (Raiser in vol 2, Vali in vol 4, Cao Cao in vol 9 11 12 and Euclide in vol 14).It's not surprise if Issei seem so weak.

And WILD LION, from spoilers only Longinus's possessors who Sun Wukong will train to be able to defeat Gods. the others will only become on par with ultimate class devils.


in volume 17, I hope Issei will get more spotlight. Well, I don't like Ideas for making Issei look weak as he was in start of series.

Does it means that the one who will be trained will be:
Issei
Vali
Sairaorg Bael
Slash dog
Gasper
CaoCao

It means, that will be so much difficult to issei shine in battle, specially with Vali and Sairaorg Bael in the battle field, even the author told us that he is planning make Sairaorg Bael fight against an evil dragon.

So with this i hope that the enemies get enough power to defeat everyone and give issei the oportunity to shine as the one who represent the Possibility
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Old 2013-10-21, 13:43   Link #263
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Well though it pains me to see Ise who is the main character out shine by the others, But let us give the support cast a chance to shine, What I would like is for Ise to at least master his Crimson Armor though the consumption rate of his stamina is insane because it does not endanger his life.

in vol.9:
-Ise powered-up illegal move. while Kiba, Xenovia, Irina & Rossweisse got beaten by hero faction.
vol.10:
-Ise awakened the Crimson Armor, While Rias got hurt by Regulus, Akeno lost to Abaddon's hole, Kiba, Xenovia & Rossweisse couldn't last getting hit by Sairaorg's fist.
vol.11:
-Ise got the oppai beam.
vol.12:
-Ise receiving Great-Red's flesh & Ophis's power, While Rias & other fought Seigfried and Akeno showing the fallen angel form & Kiba obtaining demonic sword Gram & the rest of Seigfried's demonic swords, Rossweisse powering her trait as a rook both offense & defense.
vol.14:
-Ise able to transform apart of his body that of a dragon, While Akeno showing her thunder dragon, Xenovia learning the other characteristic of excalibur, Gya-kun with his hidden power, Asia having a pact with the pantsu-dragon.
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Old 2013-10-21, 14:06   Link #264
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Well though it pains me to see Ise who is the main character out shine by the others, But let us give the support cast a chance to shine, What I would like is for Ise to at least master his Crimson Armor though the consumption rate of his stamina is insane because it does not endanger his life.

in vol.9:
-Ise powered-up illegal move. while Kiba, Xenovia, Irina & Rossweisse got beaten by hero faction.
vol.10:
-Ise awakened the Crimson Armor, While Rias got hurt by Regulus, Akeno lost to Abaddon's hole, Kiba, Xenovia & Rossweisse couldn't last getting hit by Sairaorg's fist.
vol.11:
-Ise got the oppai beam.
vol.12:
-Ise receiving Great-Red's flesh & Ophis's power, While Rias & other fought Seigfried and Akeno showing the fallen angel form & Kiba obtaining demonic sword Gram & the rest of Seigfried's demonic swords, Rossweisse powering her trait as a rook both offense & defense.
vol.14:
-Ise able to transform apart of his body that of a dragon, While Akeno showing her thunder dragon, Xenovia learning the other characteristic of excalibur, Gya-kun with his hidden power, Asia having a pact with the pantsu-dragon.
The most important shining scenes are the VOL9, VOL10, VOL 11 and VOL12, when there was not any other hope to win and he could do miracles that none expect.

In vol 14 the shine was more for her friends showing her new habilities and they even can stop 3 Grendel Flame attacks without damage and issei finish burned by one flame attack and he could not defeat Grendel.
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Old 2013-10-21, 14:11   Link #265
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wild lion,whom you think that will be the enemy of vol 17?one god?this is the chance of ise become really more strong.
and you prefer that ise is trained by great red or thor and ophis?I realy think that ise will be trained by one of this three.I hope that the teacher is ophis,maybe then she fall completely for ise.
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Old 2013-10-21, 14:13   Link #266
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I speculate that will be the Evil Dragon Nhǫggr, the dragon who eats the roots of the World Tree Yggdrasill.

I think that the fact that Odin adopt Vali will create circumstances with the others Nordic Gods to create a rebellion against Odin decisions, and this will put in risk the home of Rossweisse.

I prefer Great Red.
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Old 2013-10-21, 14:29   Link #268
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Hhahaha...you are right @II Maestro, that remember me , was Chichigami-sama the one who give issei the power to control the Copy of Mjolnir, and the vol 17 is about Rossweisse and nordic land, SO......I hope issei shine.
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yes chichigami-sama is the best for ise's guidance.kkkkkk.
but how you wild lion I too prefer great red,but ise really need get more strong,because from now his enemies will be in god level.and how I think that the final boss will be 666,ise will have that get immensely more strong to defeat this monster.
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I personally like the fact that Issei has been nerfed a little bit although I have no idea how any of you people can think he's weak in comparison to his team. Really... Issei has a hard time against a few strong opponents- Wait let me rephrase that. Issei had tough fights against a LEGENDARY EVIL DRAGON WHO IS ON GOD LEVEL, then he fought someone who NEGATES HIS VERY POWER SOURCE and can pretty much WRECK EVERY SINGLE one of the characters in this novel, and you guys think he's weak and has been getting outshined lol? The protagonist has to face adversity and explore his own powers if not the story would get boring and predictable. Seriously I'm glad some of you aren't writing this novel.

Also I'm glad the side characters are getting power-ups and being expanded upon, it's long overdue if you ask me.
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Old 2013-10-21, 16:01   Link #271
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I personally like the fact that Issei has been nerfed a little bit although I have no idea how any of you people can think he's weak in comparison to his team. Really... Issei has a hard time against a few strong opponents- Wait let me rephrase that. Issei had tough fights against a LEGENDARY EVIL DRAGON WHO IS ON GOD LEVEL, then he fought someone who NEGATES HIS VERY POWER SOURCE and can pretty much WRECK EVERY SINGLE one of the characters in this novel, and you guys think he's weak and has been getting outshined lol? The protagonist has to face adversity and explore his own powers if not the story would get boring and predictable. Seriously I'm glad some of you aren't writing this novel.

Also I'm glad the side characters are getting power-ups and being expanded upon, it's long overdue if you ask me.
You see issei with a different mentality, currently issei not think more like a human, even he was the one who ask Sona fight a battle one to one against Grendel, in the past, when he was thinking like a human, i am sure that he will keep silent and wait orders praying not to get hurt, like the past issei at the begining of the story, when he follow the orders of Rias and let everyone help him.

Currently, he take his own decitions in battle, and do the necesarry to defeat the most powerfull enemy no matter what, even if that mean disobey Rias putting his life in risk to protect the ones who are important to him,

But now, his friends are more powerful, and now his SG is unable to defeat the enemy, and Ascalon Dragon Killer Attribute can not kill the evil dragons enemies, under the SG is just a humanoid dragon that can not conrol his dragonification with so low power.

In this moment of the story after to much training and being near to death many times with powerfull oponents, his personality changed to a person that can feel pain in his hearth being unable to defeat Grendel, Euclid Lucifuge with a copy of his SC using only the normal Scale Mail, Crom Cruach(Even fighting with Vali) and Livan Lucifer.

And to add more Rias Defeat Grendel, His Dragon scales are considered as one of the hardest and toughest scales out of all Dragons which is shown when he was able to take a punch from Issei in his Welsh Dragonic Rook form without substantial injury, and the new attack of Rias almost kill Grendel.
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You see issei with a different mentality, currently issei not think more like a human, even he was the one who ask Sona fight a battle one to one against Grendel, in the past, when he was thinking like a human, i am sure that he will keep silent and wait orders praying not to get hurt, like the past issei at the begining of the story, when he follow the orders of Rias and let everyone help him.

Currently, he take his own decitions in battle, and do the necesarry to defeat the most powerfull enemy no matter what, even if that mean disobey Rias putting his life in risk.


In this moment of the story after to much training and being near to death many times with powerfull oponents, his personality changed to a person that can feel pain in his hearth being unable to defeat Grendel, Euclid Lucifuge with a copy of his SC using only the normal Scale Mail, Crom Cruach(Even fighting with Vali) and Livan Lucifer.

And to add more Rias Defeat Grendel, His Dragon scales are considered as one of the hardest and toughest scales out of all Dragons which is shown when he was able to take a punch from Issei in his Welsh Dragonic Rook form without substantial injury, and the new attack of Rias almost kill Grendel.
i dont like issei becoming overpower and become a second naruto or ichigo 0_0

this is dxd were talking about and im happy that other sidechars having powerup and some spotlightof it ._. so im with Somethindarker and others

im just happy that gasper has spotlight on this vol


beside if issei will always do his powerup without any good reason or beat every evil boss its will getting borring if you ask some reader wont like that and it might cause them to left if it become to that because it will become to boring i guess


i just wonder how did gasper sg become longinus im curious 0_0

and wow rias has 2 longinus user in her peerage
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Old 2013-10-21, 16:27   Link #273
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no kusabireika,gasper still not is a longinus's user.In the spoiler was said that his sacred gear maybe can become a longinus,but his sacred gear is not a longinus still.
and wild lion,you are correct,how rias that was much weaker than ise can kill an evil dragon that that ise not can defeat?the author is really making ise weak in this two vols:14 and 16.

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no kusabireika,gasper still not is a longinus user.In the spoiler was said that his sacred gear maybe become a longinus,but his sacred gear is not a longinus still.
and wild lion,you are correct,how rias that was much weaker than ise can kill an evil dragon that that ise not can defeat.the author is really making ise weak in this two vols:14 and 16.
but remember rias is pure devil and her heritage is same with his older brother though her power of destruction is more power unlike his brother who is tech type beside all pure devil become strong when they age i think

ise is still strong too strong so its good to have level a bit down because a full power issei can really kill the boss if he master his sg and dragon body given by the 2 strongest dragon
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no kusabireika,gasper still not is a longinus's user.In the spoiler was said that his sacred gear maybe can become a longinus,but his sacred gear is not a longinus still.
and wild lion,you are correct,how rias that was much weaker than ise can kill an evil dragon that that ise not can defeat?the author is really making ise weak in this two vols:14 and 16.
The only reason that my mind can imagine is that Rias new attack go directly to Grendel eye, because i can not belive that Rias create an attack that can surpass Grendel scales that issei with a boosetd Dragon killer can not defeat.
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She needs too much time to prepare it leaving her open.
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I can believe Rias has such an attack.

I'm not really concerned about Issei's power level. I don't mind him growing stronger, nor do I think he is being portrayed as weak.

What the author is doing with Rias is having her come up to a level that is near Issei's, that's all. It makes sense that something that embodies the metaphysical power of Destruction might be able to destroy something that a punch - even backed by a dragon slayer - cannot. This is actually foreshadowed, as they say outright that Rias' attack will break the Rating Game, and she can't use it there. Ise's punch doesn't do that, regardless of how strong it is. Frankly, this is necessary as Rias has been falling further and further behind everyone else - especially Issei and Kiba, but including Akeno and Koneko.

Especially as there's hints that the dragon was modified somehow. Perhaps it has a lessened weakness to dragonslayers, for instance.

Now if only Irina will get to do something cool.
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She needs too much time to prepare it leaving her open.
If that is true, then i hope that after the attack, Rias fall down without energy and the attack go directly Grendel eye, because the spoiler said that was the half Grendel Face affected.
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yes wild lion,ise need get strong again.Even gasper that was the more weaker of gremory group together with asia some vols ago is becoming more stronger than ise.
he need a strong teach how ophis or great red urgently.now he not can defeat guys how euclid and grendel,then how he will defeat people that are in the god level(that will be the next enemies)?
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You see issei with a different mentality, currently issei not think more like a human, even he was the one who ask Sona fight a battle one to one against Grendel, in the past, when he was thinking like a human, i am sure that he will keep silent and wait orders praying not to get hurt, like the past issei at the begining of the story, when he follow the orders of Rias and let everyone help him.

Currently, he take his own decitions in battle, and do the necesarry to defeat the most powerfull enemy no matter what, even if that mean disobey Rias putting his life in risk to protect the ones who are important to him,

But now, his friends are more powerful, and now his SG is unable to defeat the enemy, and Ascalon Dragon Killer Attribute can not kill the evil dragons enemies, under the SG is just a humanoid dragon that can not conrol his dragonification with so low power.

In this moment of the story after to much training and being near to death many times with powerfull oponents, his personality changed to a person that can feel pain in his hearth being unable to defeat Grendel, Euclid Lucifuge with a copy of his SC using only the normal Scale Mail, Crom Cruach(Even fighting with Vali) and Livan Lucifer.

And to add more Rias Defeat Grendel, His Dragon scales are considered as one of the hardest and toughest scales out of all Dragons which is shown when he was able to take a punch from Issei in his Welsh Dragonic Rook form without substantial injury, and the new attack of Rias almost kill Grendel.
I don't understand how you associate Issei's SG being nullified against AN enemy and being overwhelmed by an UNDEAD LEGENDARY EVIL DRAGON GOD(who was modifed) with him being weak.

Issei can still roflstomp most of the people in his, Sitri's, Vali's AND Sairorgs crew it's just that he faced two enemies who are overwhelmingly powerful. Even Sirzechs doesn't know if he can beat Rizevim WITH HIS ENTIRE TEAM. That speaks volumes. Rias technically didn't beat Grendel she just wounded him with an UBER technique, that's like putting a gun in someones hand and shooting a champion boxer. They better shoot the boxer fatally(which Rias didn't) because if the boxer gets his hands on them it's over.


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i dont like issei becoming overpower and become a second naruto or ichigo 0_0

this is dxd were talking about and im happy that other sidechars having powerup and some spotlightof it ._. so im with Somethindarker and others

im just happy that gasper has spotlight on this vol


beside if issei will always do his powerup without any good reason or beat every evil boss its will getting borring if you ask some reader wont like that and it might cause them to left if it become to that because it will become to boring i guess


i just wonder how did gasper sg become longinus im curious 0_0

and wow rias has 2 longinus user in her peerage
I've been saying this since forever Ishibumi is a deceptively good writer. I'm willing to bet that the editor let him have a bit more creative freedom so he's going nuts with this arc.

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no kusabireika,gasper still not is a longinus's user.In the spoiler was said that his sacred gear maybe can become a longinus,but his sacred gear is not a longinus still.
and wild lion,you are correct,how rias that was much weaker than ise can kill an evil dragon that that ise not can defeat?the author is really making ise weak in this two vols:14 and 16.
No he's not. I refer you to my response to him up top.

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but remember rias is pure devil and her heritage is same with his older brother though her power of destruction is more power unlike his brother who is tech type beside all pure devil become strong when they age i think

ise is still strong too strong so its good to have level a bit down because a full power issei can really kill the boss if he master his sg and dragon body given by the 2 strongest dragon
She's like a glass canon at the moment. High destructive power, but weak in a 1v1 confrontation.


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I can believe Rias has such an attack.

I'm not really concerned about Issei's power level. I don't mind him growing stronger, nor do I think he is being portrayed as weak.

What the author is doing with Rias is having her come up to a level that is near Issei's, that's all. It makes sense that something that embodies the metaphysical power of Destruction might be able to destroy something that a punch - even backed by a dragon slayer - cannot. This is actually foreshadowed, as they say outright that Rias' attack will break the Rating Game, and she can't use it there. Ise's punch doesn't do that, regardless of how strong it is. Frankly, this is necessary as Rias has been falling further and further behind everyone else - especially Issei and Kiba, but including Akeno and Koneko.

Especially as there's hints that the dragon was modified somehow. Perhaps it has a lessened weakness to dragonslayers, for instance.

Now if only Irina will get to do something cool.
Yea. Rias has been under powered for a while now, it's nice to see her get a power that can match up to the big boys.

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yes wild lion,ise need get strong again.Even gasper that was the more weaker of gremory group together with asia some vols ago is becoming more stronger than ise.
he need a strong teach how ophis or great red urgently.now he not can defeat guys how euclid and grendel,then how he will defeat people that are in the god level(that will be the next enemies)?
How. Please explain it to me how Issei has become this weak. Don't know about anyone else here but I think you are overplaying 1 aspect of the story. Issei is fighting GODS. Gasper roflstomped some high level baddies. Rias Injured grendel. Explain to me how that trumps what he's capable of? I don't understand your reasoning. I just think you're used to normal Shounen battle mangas where the main character HAS to be the center of attention 24/7. Issei was able to fight toe to toe with Grendel I doubt anyone else in his group could do that. Well maybe Kiba can.
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