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Old 2013-12-04, 12:33   Link #21
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Kakashi should just warp black zetsu and the Rinnegan into Obito's dimension.
i think that's way too smart to happen
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Old 2013-12-04, 12:40   Link #22
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To be fair, if Black Zetsu can force Obito to use jutsu, it wouldn't matter. He still has his own Sharingan, after all.
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Old 2013-12-04, 13:34   Link #23
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This chapter was fairly confusing. How can Madara still absorb justus if he does not have the rinnegan anymore? Also how did Sage Mode Naruto not sense Zetsu at all?
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Old 2013-12-04, 13:47   Link #24
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This chapter was fairly confusing. How can Madara still absorb justus if he does not have the rinnegan anymore? Also how did Sage Mode Naruto not sense Zetsu at all?
It seems like ninjutsu/chakra absorption was a power that he got from combining senju genes with uchiha genes. He still seems less powerful than he was as an Edo Tensei and much less powerful than Obito was a few chapters ago. Basically the alliance foiled Madara's 80 year plan and now Madara has to start over - get the Rinnegan, collect the tailed beasts, become the jinchuuriki of the jyuubi and perform the Infinite Tsukuyomi, in the presence of Edo Tensei hokages and the entire ninja alliance, and do it all in the next 30 minutes or so.
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Old 2013-12-04, 14:29   Link #25
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Madara had Hashirama's cells implanted in him while he was alive it is how he awakened the Rinnegan in the first place after all.

Also the ability to both absorb jutsu/chakra as well as sense chakra is possible without having either the Rinnegan or Sage chakra (they just seem to make it much easier).
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Old 2013-12-04, 15:04   Link #26
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Also the ability to both absorb jutsu/chakra as well as sense chakra is possible without having either the Rinnegan or Sage chakra (they just seem to make it much easier).
There is only one character that could absorb jutsus/chakara that does not have rinnegan, sharingan, or sage mode.

And that person is Kisame so yeah you make it sound like those abilities are common to everyone lol
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Old 2013-12-04, 15:22   Link #27
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So did this chapter confirm that Orochimaru is/was working with Madara? Madara did say that an acquaintance (Kabuto) of an underling of his (Orochimaru/Obito) gave him the 'Hashirama face'. I don't think he meant Obito there. Orochimaru was studying sage chakra and he was going after Uchiha bodies. He seems to know quite a bit about the Uchiha and the rinnegan as well. Did he learn some things from Madara? Did Orochimaru learn edo tensei to ressurect Madara and/or Hashirama if needed?
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Old 2013-12-04, 15:26   Link #28
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I figured the underling was supposed to reference Obito. Otherwise, wouldn't it be an underling of an underling?
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Old 2013-12-04, 15:30   Link #29
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Since Sasuke couldn't kill Obito, now is after Madara, but what he does it's a big mistake for him becuse Madara is waaay stronger than Sasuke. Why would he want to kill a Uchiha? He really wants to be the last Uchiha? Madara wants him by his side, still he refuses.
Zetsu took control over Obito, Uchiha doesn't die so easily, right? We will see Obito longer than we expected. Obito went through many changes!!!! From mask to mask, without mask, Jinchuuriki and now another "change", his face is divided in 2. One Obito, one Zetsu, cool!
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Old 2013-12-04, 17:39   Link #30
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So the yellow flash isn't fast enough to stop Zetsu from merging with Obito? And why didn't Sage-Naruto notice Black Zetsu chapters ago?
Lol! thats standard manga/anime fare for you.

I always find it amusing when someone throws a super fast attack, or moves at an apparently "incredible speed" , and yet onlookers have time to speak entire sentences "Hes so fast!" "i wont make it in time!" "I need to dodge!"
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Old 2013-12-04, 17:59   Link #31
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We will soon learn that the Uzumaki clan was formed when an offshoot of the Uchiha and an offshoot of the Senju clans intermingled and reproduced, in the hopes of giving rise to the next Sage of the Six Paths. This ended to fruition with the birth of the Messiah, Uzumaki Naruto.

We will also learn that the true meaning of what was on the Uchiha tablet, is in fact the story of how the Uzumaki clan came to be in the first place.

"When two opposing forces cooperate" The Senju and Uchiha
"Real happiness can be found" Uzumaki Naruto

Madara further states there is another interpretation, "A person who obtained the power of both Uchiha and Senju can find real happiness." Again, that's almost a text book case of finger pointing to Naruto, IF The Uzumaki clan is in fact a spinoff of both clans.
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Old 2013-12-04, 18:43   Link #32
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There is only one character that could absorb jutsus/chakara that does not have rinnegan, sharingan, or sage mode.

And that person is Kisame so yeah you make it sound like those abilities are common to everyone lol
Yoroi Akadō and Jirōbō could absorb chakra as well as Orochimaru (chapter 593) plus the aburame clan through there insects.

Oh I forgot the white Zetsu can as well that's another 100,000

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So did this chapter confirm that Orochimaru is/was working with Madara? Madara did say that an acquaintance (Kabuto) of an underling of his (Orochimaru/Obito) gave him the 'Hashirama face'. I don't think he meant Obito there. Orochimaru was studying sage chakra and he was going after Uchiha bodies. He seems to know quite a bit about the Uchiha and the rinnegan as well. Did he learn some things from Madara? Did Orochimaru learn edo tensei to ressurect Madara and/or Hashirama if needed?
Kabuto modified Madara's edo tensei body by adding Hashirama's face and when Madara spoke to Kabuto he was an acquaintance of Obito, Madara's underling. How is this hard to get.

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Old 2013-12-04, 19:00   Link #33
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It seems as If we needed a few more flash-back chapters dedicated to Madara's scheming. Maybe a nice long conversation between him and Zetsu.

A lot of confusion / plot-holes / illogical actions seem to stem from Madara's "plans".
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Old 2013-12-04, 19:59   Link #34
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Right now Naruto is probably wondering how he can get Sasuke's face on his chest so they can be together forever.
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Old 2013-12-04, 19:59   Link #35
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I'm soo confused what went in this chapter, what the heck happened to Naruto?
Madara better watch out though, hey'll be defeated by the power of friendship like all the villains have during this War
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Old 2013-12-04, 20:18   Link #36
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Yoroi Akadō and Jirōbō could absorb chakra as well as Orochimaru (chapter 593) plus the aburame clan through there insects.

Oh I forgot the white Zetsu can as well that's another 100,000
lol orochimaru can not absorb chakra ... he was taking back what was his already ...

alright forgot about those two but don't think insects count and the zetsu army doesn't either ... so yeah

basically 3 people and the only one that can absorb ninjutsu is Kisame and I think that's what we're focusing on the most here
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Old 2013-12-05, 03:34   Link #37
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wait a second!.....nvm go ahead bak to one piece for me....
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Old 2013-12-05, 07:07   Link #38
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Yeah Naruto looked out of place in this Chapter!..... his gone from God-mode to Chibi-mode all in a matter of a few pages.. WEIRD!!!!!.
Come on Kishi, I'm not giving up on you yet like most fans. get it together dude! I know you read these forums in your spare time.
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Old 2013-12-05, 09:59   Link #39
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Sooo will Kakashi ever get Obito other eye. Seeing how if Madara gets it he is only going to have one eye. Unless she can regrow the other one?
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Old 2013-12-05, 19:27   Link #40
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This chapter was fairly confusing. How can Madara still absorb justus if he does not have the rinnegan anymore? Also how did Sage Mode Naruto not sense Zetsu at all?
Well.. it probably is confusing also for Kishi himself. Don't mind.. this torture ends sooner or later. I am afraid it's later.
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