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Old 2013-08-17, 14:13   Link #8641
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This is the part where we have to remember which one of the students wanted to be a teacher... unfortunately, I don't remember off the top of my head
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Old 2013-08-17, 14:43   Link #8642
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Can someone explain to me what made Negima ending so bad?

Other than that glasses girl whose ending I found a bit sad since she was clearly the most clever girl in the whole group yet became some recluse after her adventures, the ending is mostly ok.

I also like the fact Negi kept his vow as a teacher and as far as I can tell, isn't dating one of his students.

So what gives?
As others pointed, the problem with the ending isn't what happens in it, but what didn't happen in it. There was many things left to be resolved or that were skipped and just showed that they were solved. The small arc just before it was some chapters where the whole point was learning that Negi actually have one girl he likes (which would mean a girl with a higher chance of ending up with him). But then not even that the end solves.

Now if this new show really ends up in the same universe and if Akamatsu already had that planned then it may bring a new meaning to Negima end. Oe reason to end Negima may be because a lot of what it was is ending. Negi not more as a teacher, many of the girls going their own ways and barely being around Negi anymore. The whole teacher with harem part would be gone, and many characters left aside of the story. The next story could cover the remaining answers from Negima.

Wwell, this is speculations built over speculation XD
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Old 2013-08-17, 16:01   Link #8643
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speculations on who the teacher is?
My bet is on either Yue, Anya, Takane or Mei
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Old 2013-08-17, 16:10   Link #8644
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i wish he could be negi descendant(that would make him chao ancestor).
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Old 2013-08-17, 18:00   Link #8645
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As others pointed, the problem with the ending isn't what happens in it, but what didn't happen in it. There was many things left to be resolved or that were skipped and just showed that they were solved. The small arc just before it was some chapters where the whole point was learning that Negi actually have one girl he likes (which would mean a girl with a higher chance of ending up with him). But then not even that the end solves.
Along with the "plot threads that weren't resolved issue (and Ken's response to the "who Negi loves" issue being "I'm not telling who she is, but I will say it's not one of the more logical choices"), the other big problem with Negima's ending was the fact that Ken Akamatsu realized that he couldn't do a reasonable ending in just two volumes. As such, he instead reverted back not only to the "early volume" days of the manga (with the final storyline being somewhat of a rehash of the ending to Xebec version of Negima, which is the result of the studio assuming that Negima was another harem series), but also back to his days of writing Love Hina (i.e. the infamous Sports Festival storyline).

As for my two cents on what we know so far:

On it being set in the same universe as Negima: Oh, that is pretty much a given, as I'm sure all of Ken Akamatsu's titles are set in the same universe. However, I'm not really expecting something major in terms of Negima references (probably a few hints of certain events and characters in Negima, but nothing that has "major character" potential).

The story itself: This is one that will be more "wait and see". However, there's three words of advice to Ken Akamatsu:

1. Keep in mind that people are probably expecting some light-heartedness in terms of action (not to mention to keep it more like One Piece rather than Dragon Ball Z);

2. Make sure you have "strong" characters, especially females (as I consider one of Negima's strengths being the way Ken Akamatsu wrote certain characters);

3. Don't go overboard in terms of ecchiness (as that was one of the big problems affecting the final volumes of Negima).
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Old 2013-08-19, 16:07   Link #8646
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I really hope he drops the tons of fanservice in favor of straight shounen, he really doesn't need it as the best parts of Negima were completely fan-service free throwdowns.
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Old 2013-08-19, 17:53   Link #8647
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This fixes nothing regarding the end of Negima, since it's set too late in the timeline to see any of the important developments we were cheated out of (like all the events, including Pactios, shown in the final class roster and Chapter 353, or Natsumi's adventure, or the Narutakis' princes, or how and why Hakase married Godel, or what was the deal with Setsuna and Konoka's marriages, or the Lifemaker's final defeat). All of that would deserve its own sequel, not being merely referenced to in other characters' story. That's just plain sad.

My guess is Akamatsu got sick of the Negima cast, since he very well could have done a direct sequel covering all those holes instead of this spinoff if he had wanted to. Obviously Kodansha wouldn't steal his rights away since he's working for them anyway and using the same setting as it is.

So no, out of principles, I won't be following this unless it actively somehow fixes the Negima end. Otherwise, what's to tell me he won't sink this series down the same way he did to Negima, next time he and the same editorial that wronged him have another fallout, or he just feels like quitting?
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Old 2013-08-19, 18:00   Link #8648
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I really hope he drops the tons of fanservice in favor of straight shounen, he really doesn't need it as the best parts of Negima were completely fan-service free throwdowns.
I rather not...given how prude society is becoming. Wasn't there someone who got sentenced for child porn in Sweden for having Love Hina?

Frankly, I am not bothered with "Negi's love" Having 1 admitted will mean disappointed fans for 29+ girls. So...leave it to readers interpretation is good.

I see why people are mad about the other points though.
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Old 2013-08-19, 18:02   Link #8649
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I really hope he drops the tons of fanservice in favor of straight shounen, he really doesn't need it as the best parts of Negima were completely fan-service free throwdowns.
I heard that the fanservice and harem wasn't Akamatsu's original plans. He wanted shounen like what Negima became later on but his publishers wanted another romcom like Love Hina. He was forced to go with that but managed to sneakily insert what he wanted into it until by the time the publishers realized it was too late lol.
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Old 2013-08-19, 18:09   Link #8650
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Frankly, I am not bothered with "Negi's love" Having 1 admitted will mean disappointed fans for 29+ girls. So...leave it to readers interpretation is good.
Better to have 80% or so of the shipping fanbase let down than 100%

Besides, he was ending the series anyway. What were they going to do if they were unhappy with the winner girl? Stop buying it?
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Old 2013-08-20, 08:50   Link #8651
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I heard that the fanservice and harem wasn't Akamatsu's original plans. He wanted shounen like what Negima became later on but his publishers wanted another romcom like Love Hina. He was forced to go with that but managed to sneakily insert what he wanted into it until by the time the publishers realized it was too late lol.
I want to say his publisher should thought better after A.I love you bombed out...
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Old 2013-08-20, 16:17   Link #8652
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I heard that the fanservice and harem wasn't Akamatsu's original plans. He wanted shounen like what Negima became later on but his publishers wanted another romcom like Love Hina. He was forced to go with that but managed to sneakily insert what he wanted into it until by the time the publishers realized it was too late lol.
Of course, in the publisher's defense, I really wonder just how memorable Negima would have been if Ken Akamatsu didn't include the "harem" aspect in it (as I really feel a lot of Negima's strength was due to the development that Akamatsu gave to a some of the female characters).
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Old 2013-08-20, 16:51   Link #8653
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Akamatsu's biggest problem with his Genre Shift was he started posing and teasing too many questions, but he couldn't or didn't want to properly answer them. In a romantic comedy, that isn't such an issue, but once you're writing a much more serious and bigger in scope story, you have to give actual answers or you end up with what's called a Kudzu Plot.

The second biggest problem once he took the action genre was the power escalation went too fast and too high, but only for Negi, which made it even worse than if everyone else (of the fighters) had powered up accordingly as well. Even in the new manga's setting, that's going to be a problem, because sooner or later, when a big threat pops up, you'll have to wonder why the uber powerful mage with an obscenely high sense of responsibility, tons of allies everywhere, and eyes almost everywhere at both worlds, just doesn't swoop down and beat the threat silly easily, instead of having an inexpert young turk to be the one who saves the day. Making things even more unabalanced and serious threats even more unlikely and difficult to buy, at this point Negi would hang out with Nagi, who is just as broken as him.
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Old 2013-08-20, 17:16   Link #8654
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New illustration for Ken's new manga 'UQ Holder'

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Old 2013-08-20, 20:48   Link #8655
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Meh. The new male lead looks way too... generic Shonen lead.
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Old 2013-08-20, 21:57   Link #8656
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...What's UQ holder?

EDIT: nvm, google has enlighten me. Oh God, protag looks like standard shounen hotblooded dumbass. Not a good sign there. Series title seems silly, and not in the inspiring kind of way.
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Old 2013-08-21, 15:14   Link #8657
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Another UQ Holder manga image:





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Old 2013-08-21, 15:23   Link #8658
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I try not to infer too much from the art without at least trying a series, but those pics have me worried. That protagonist looks awfully generic....Well, if its got one thing going for it, its that it doesn't look like a harem comedy.

I wonder if he will tie this one into his over-arching canon by having a character (maybe the protagonist?) be a shinmeiryuu practitioner, seeing as how swords seem to play a large part. The MC seems to be a dual-wielder too, despite how he is pictured. Yes, I know the blade on his back might just be a spare, but really when was the last time you saw a character carry two swords and not use them at the same time? Outside of a historical setting of course...
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Old 2013-08-21, 15:29   Link #8659
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I wonder if he will tie this one into his over-arching canon by having a character (maybe the protagonist?) be a shinmeiryuu practitioner, seeing as swords seem to play a large part.
I don't think that's the only that people will have a field day with in terms of connecting UQ Holder with the rest of the Akamatsu-verse, as one of the adult characters looks like someone who could be related to Negi, while the attire of one of the female characters pretty much screams the fall/winter outfit of Mahora Academy.
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Old 2013-08-21, 15:57   Link #8660
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better than generic weak MC for sure
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