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Old 2014-02-11, 01:44   Link #61
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According to a translation Violet says "Watch out! This guy is the top executive in the family!" She does not say anything specific about divisions, title, or role in the family.
She just calls him "Saikou kanbu", which is Executive Officer.
The same as all the other four Executive Officers.

All five of them are "top".
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Old 2014-02-11, 10:00   Link #62
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Who are the 5?

Trebol, Diamante, Pica, Vergo and..?
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Old 2014-02-11, 16:34   Link #63
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Who are the 5?

Trebol, Diamante, Pica, Vergo and..?
I totally forgot Corazón was a vacant seat.

If Corazón was alive today, he/she would be one you'd assume.
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Old 2014-02-12, 00:14   Link #64
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Armor Haki
Looking at chapter 716, 719, and 737. The clashes seem pretty standard. But Looking at Sabo and Burgess, did something different happen or is something being revealed to the readers for the first time? Right now I feel that armor haki still has some secrets that aren't revealed to the readers yet. Example Kizaru, Akoiji, Akainu deflected White Beard's powers preserving the gallows and leaving everything else destroyed. One would think they combined armor haki to do it. But what happens when Armor Haki is in conflict? Right now Sabo vs. Burgess armor haki looks different from, Luffy vs. Chinjao and Garp vs. Chinjao. What if the armor haki user (who is suprior or more educated) can corrupt the other persons haki armor. To me it looks like Burgess was reinforcing his armor with Haki Armor. Now when Sabo was touching it, it looked like something else was happening. Sabo did not make a fist like everyone else when they clash. It almost looked like he was weakening Burgess's armor haki by pushing it out. Now this may be over thought on my part but Oda showed Sabo touching Burgess armor specifically. Was Oda showing us something different?
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Old 2014-02-12, 13:27   Link #65
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So anyone else suffering from One Piece withdrawal??
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Old 2014-02-12, 16:37   Link #66
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Armor Haki
Looking at chapter 716, 719, and 737. The clashes seem pretty standard. But Looking at Sabo and Burgess, did something different happen or is something being revealed to the readers for the first time? Right now I feel that armor haki still has some secrets that aren't revealed to the readers yet. Example Kizaru, Akoiji, Akainu deflected White Beard's powers preserving the gallows and leaving everything else destroyed. One would think they combined armor haki to do it. But what happens when Armor Haki is in conflict? Right now Sabo vs. Burgess armor haki looks different from, Luffy vs. Chinjao and Garp vs. Chinjao. What if the armor haki user (who is suprior or more educated) can corrupt the other persons haki armor. To me it looks like Burgess was reinforcing his armor with Haki Armor. Now when Sabo was touching it, it looked like something else was happening. Sabo did not make a fist like everyone else when they clash. It almost looked like he was weakening Burgess's armor haki by pushing it out. Now this may be over thought on my part but Oda showed Sabo touching Burgess armor specifically. Was Oda showing us something different?
I don't think that Burgess used Haki at all.
To me it looked like Sabo used his Haki to infuse Burgess' shield and destroy it from the inside.
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Old 2014-02-12, 16:59   Link #67
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I totally forgot Corazón was a vacant seat.

If Corazón was alive today, he/she would be one you'd assume.

Well.... I guess in a way, Law would count as an executive, wouldn't he? I mean, Dofla even said he had the heart seat reserved for him before he found out about his betrayal....



Also, about Burgess' technique: One thing I found interesting about it is that the name ("Hadou/Wave Motion Elbow") uses the exact same characters for "hadou" as the "Hadouken" from the Street Fighter series. That's why I'm actually more inclined to think that it's technically a haki-based move, heh.
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Old 2014-02-12, 17:27   Link #68
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^ I don't even wanna imagine a "haki-ken" lol. One Piece would begin to resemble the earlier portion of dbz. It would be interesting though to find a chracter in the New World that can mold and shoot pure haki over space. If not scary anyway.
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Old 2014-02-12, 23:59   Link #69
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I don't think that Burgess used Haki at all.
To me it looked like Sabo used his Haki to infuse Burgess' shield and destroy it from the inside.
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That what I thought at first but it would not make sense. Burgess got done seeing a fight with Luffy and Chinjao. He knows Luffy is capable of haki. It would not make any sense for him not to use haki in his clash with Sabo(who he thinks is Luffy). Especially given that Luffy is immune to any blunt force that is not reinforced with haki. Second when Burgess clashes with Sabo he looks like he already has his Haki Armor up already. Now if you look at Burgess face he looks like he is trying to resist Sabo's attack.

There is the other thinking that if the user's haki armor is only this strong and you infuse it with more then he can control then infusing it makes sense. So you may be right about the infusing part. Right now we need some explanation because this clash does not look like normal haki clash.

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Old 2014-02-13, 10:58   Link #70
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Well.... I guess in a way, Law would count as an executive, wouldn't he? I mean, Dofla even said he had the heart seat reserved for him before he found out about his betrayal....



Also, about Burgess' technique: One thing I found interesting about it is that the name ("Hadou/Wave Motion Elbow") uses the exact same characters for "hadou" as the "Hadouken" from the Street Fighter series. That's why I'm actually more inclined to think that it's technically a haki-based move, heh.
Well, it actually goes back to Space Cruiser Yamato's "Hadouhou" - the devastating wave-motion canon.
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Besides, if knocking her unconscious is an effective strategy, how does she keep the people as toys when she sleeps? Assuming she does sleep.
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I'm pretty sure the reason they tell everyone to go home at midnight (humans to their homes, toys to the toy house) is so that Sugar can sleep and everyone returns to normal.
Probably this. Unusual and explicit instructions like this obviously have a bearing on the matter.

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Toys don't return to normal at night. They work in the toy house.
The toy house is probably a prison for their human forms rather than a workshop. It's disruptive to production and makes little logistical sense to have all the toys suddenly go work in just one location, when they're working so well everywhere else the rest of the time.
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Old 2014-02-15, 16:02   Link #72
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Probably this. Unusual and explicit instructions like this obviously have a bearing on the matter.

The toy house is probably a prison for their human forms rather than a workshop. It's disruptive to production and makes little logistical sense to have all the toys suddenly go work in just one location, when they're working so well everywhere else the rest of the time.
I don't know... i mean if that were the case then Doflamingo would be a taking a HUGE risk by taking the Colosseum fighters. I mean random Citizens and common soldiers are one thing, but imagine the difficulty involved in trying to keep the worst fighters from around the New World contained. Heck some of those guys aren't even devil fruit users and just have natural monstrous strength all their own. And if they break out, then they all break out.

Not to mention i wuld think that the Toy solider would have told the strawhats by now that the toys go back to normal when Sugar sleeps at night

I think the rule about the toys not being allowed to stay in the same house as humans is because they might be working underground all night in the toy house.
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Old 2014-02-15, 18:35   Link #73
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I don't know... i mean if that were the case then Doflamingo would be a taking a HUGE risk by taking the Colosseum fighters. I mean random Citizens and common soldiers are one thing, but imagine the difficulty involved in trying to keep the worst fighters from around the New World contained. Heck some of those guys aren't even devil fruit users and just have natural monstrous strength all their own. And if they break out, then they all break out.
But the devil fruit tournament fighters are a brand new development in response to the recent unprecedented situation. It's only right at this very moment that the tourney losers are becoming toys.

For years the citizens and common soldiers of Dressrosa have been the only ones enslaved as toys. Not the worst fighters from around the New World.

It's probably Doflamingo intention that the ultimate destination for most of the tournament fighters is Impel Down or the Scrap Heap, not the factory floor.
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Old 2014-02-15, 19:20   Link #74
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But the devil fruit tournament fighters are a brand new development in response to the recent unprecedented situation. It's only right at this very moment that the tourney losers are becoming toys.

For years the citizens and common soldiers of Dressrosa have been the only ones enslaved as toys. Not the worst fighters from around the New World.

It's probably Doflamingo intention that the ultimate destination for most of the tournament fighters is Impel Down or the Scrap Heap, not the factory floor.
Doflamingo already has them working... if they turn back to normal when sugar sleeps, then tonight will be the night when they will make havoc.Why take that risk?

When it comes down to it, its a completely unnecessary risk because Doflamingo did not have a reason to turn them into toys in the first place. Most of those fighters only came for the fruit and would have just left when the tournament was over... only ones that would be worth turning into toys are those like Chinjao and his sons who came with the intention of targeting Doflamingo's underground operation.



Heck, putting aside the theories about Sugar, I would actually go so far say that this is sorta a flaw in the plot... I mean, Doflaimingo doesn't need them for the labor(he's got an entire country for that) and he also doesn't seem to have a reason to enslave the vast majority of these fighters. Seems like the only reason this is happening to them is so they can all take part in the chaos when we inevitable reach the point in the story when all the toys get turned back into humans... Having normal humans revolt against Doflamingo is not quite as exciting as all these high level fighters revolting
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Doflamingo already has them working... if they turn back to normal when sugar sleeps, then tonight will be the night when they will make havoc.Why take that risk?
They may not make it that long. It may be only a matter of hours before they're handed over to the marines.

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When it comes down to it, its a completely unnecessary risk because Doflamingo did not have a reason to turn them into toys in the first place. Most of those fighters only came for the fruit and would have just left when the tournament was over... only ones that would be worth turning into toys are those like Chinjao and his sons who came with the intention of targeting Doflamingo's underground operation.
Turning over the fighters, troublemakers and pirates to the marines was a part of the plan all along. Think of the bounties he'll collect, that ought to buy a temporary respite with Kaido.

If they do end up in the Toy House for the night, it's probably of similar construction to the colosseum with it's seastone bars that Bellamy said nobody can escape from, or the Scrap Heap that neither Don Chinjao's headbut, or Elizabello's king punch could crack.

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Heck, putting aside the theories about Sugar, I would actually go so far say that this is sorta a flaw in the plot... I mean, Doflaimingo doesn't need them for the labor(he's got an entire country for that) and he also doesn't seem to have a reason to enslave the vast majority of these fighters. Seems like the only reason this is happening to them is so they can all take part in the chaos when we inevitable reach the point in the story when all the toys get turned back into humans... Having normal humans revolt against Doflamingo is not quite as exciting as all these high level fighters revolting
Right, because it's a temporary solution, until he passes them on to the WG.
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For years the citizens and common soldiers of Dressrosa have been the only ones enslaved as toys. Not the worst fighters from around the New World.
Umm, no.

The funny thing is, that given on the information we know so far, namely the total memory loss of everyone who knew the transformed person, he could have enslaved really anyone.

For example it could be that the Yonkou once were a Rokukou, a group of six people (or any other number) and two of them were just erased from history.
Or the world government could have been ruled by a well-known world-king, who got enslaved and forgotten.
There are endless possibilities, so we can't really say, that he only enslaved commoners until now. Especially since he himself doesn't even remember the people he got erased.
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Umm, no.

The funny thing is, that given on the information we know so far, namely the total memory loss of everyone who knew the transformed person, he could have enslaved really anyone.

For example it could be that the Yonkou once were a Rokukou, a group of six people (or any other number) and two of them were just erased from history.
Or the world government could have been ruled by a well-known world-king, who got enslaved and forgotten.
There are endless possibilities, so we can't really say, that he only enslaved commoners until now. Especially since he himself doesn't even remember the people he got erased.
Actually yes.

It is indeed a possibility that "anyone" could have been enslaved, but so far the only ones Oda's told us about are the good citizens and soldiers of Dressrosa (until the tourney). Anyone else is wild speculation.


Tell you guys what, just for fun let's make this sporting...
If I'm right and while Sugar's asleep the toys revert to humans, hence the toy house, you'll have to change your profile pic and tagline for one month, to whatever I choose. If I'm wrong I'll have to change my profile pic and tagline for one month, to whatever you choose. Within the bounds of decency and animesuki guidelines of course.
Slayerx, The Small One are you guys up for it?
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Old 2014-02-17, 18:46   Link #78
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Ussop turning into pinocchio would be a "reversal" of the pinocchio story. Instead of a doll turning into a boy, the boy turns into a doll instead! Well with Ussop being there the possibility is set!

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Actually yes.

It is indeed a possibility that "anyone" could have been enslaved, but so far the only ones Oda's told us about are the good citizens and soldiers of Dressrosa (until the tourney). Anyone else is wild speculation.


Tell you guys what, just for fun let's make this sporting...
If I'm right and while Sugar's asleep the toys revert to humans, hence the toy house, you'll have to change your profile pic and tagline for one month, to whatever I choose. If I'm wrong I'll have to change my profile pic and tagline for one month, to whatever you choose. Within the bounds of decency and animesuki guidelines of course.
Slayerx, The Small One are you guys up for it?
*grabs popcorn*

and before anyone asks: No, I will not participate.

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Old 2014-02-18, 02:05   Link #79
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Tell you guys what, just for fun let's make this sporting...
If I'm right and while Sugar's asleep the toys revert to humans, hence the toy house, you'll have to change your profile pic and tagline for one month, to whatever I choose. If I'm wrong I'll have to change my profile pic and tagline for one month, to whatever you choose. Within the bounds of decency and animesuki guidelines of course.
Slayerx, The Small One are you guys up for it?
Oh why the hell not.
A most dangerous game; placing Bets on trying to predict oda

I'll throw in one more detail...
That if sugar's powers turned off when she slept, then every night everyone in town would remember those lost. People may not be allowed to loiter at night, but that doesn't mean they all sleep.
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Oho....! Looks like some interesting developments took place here during my absence!


I'm afraid you can count me out of this wager, though. Mainly because I don't feel like being caught in a string of semantics arguments regarding Sugar's power, lol. But I will at least say this: Losing consciousness from a strong shock is not quite the same as sleeping (the latter is a case where a person can still respond to stimuli..... which can't be said for the former phenomenon). So I think Sugar's power would still remain in effect if she were simply asleep, which is why the dwarves went through so much trouble to come up with a method of knocking her out in the first place. So in a way, I guess it's sorta like the difference between putting a computer into sleep mode, or flat-out shutting it down, so to speak.



....Note that despite the above explanation, that does NOT mean I'm being pulled into plilip72's insidious plot! Honest!



BTW, while I already made the next chapter thread, there aren't any spoilers out just yet. Shouldn't be long, though.....
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