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View Poll Results: Chuunibyou Demo Koi ga Shitai! Ren - Episode 10 Rating
Perfect 10 8 22.86%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 17 48.57%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 9 25.71%
7 out of 10 : Good 1 2.86%
6 out of 10 : Average 0 0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2014-03-14, 09:15   Link #21
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As much as I hate saying it, but Shichimiya really dug herself into a hole with her lingering feelings for Yuuta. The suffering in this episode was just too much for me. The worst part was at the end when Yuuta was just being so dense like a motherfucker.
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Old 2014-03-14, 09:43   Link #22
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Why are they wasting time for her suffering now? Why even making this stupid love triangle when 3 episodes left and Yuuta has zero romantic feeling toward her.
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Old 2014-03-14, 12:24   Link #23
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And when Yuuta came over with that umbrella, I cringed very hard inside.

Seriously though, how could Yuuta be that thick? Schichimiya might as well have been repeating that she loved him, over and over again, with that body language.

And indeed, it was an amazing piece of animation that Kyo-ani pulled off. It was not only Schichimiya's words, but the highly effectively animated body language that made this scene truly powerful.
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Old 2014-03-14, 13:24   Link #24
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Yeah, I would think that Yuuta would get a hint why Shichimiya was asking those questions. Pretty obvious on her reaction to his answers and he's still like "What's wrong?"? Yuuta, do the math.
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Old 2014-03-14, 15:28   Link #25
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Im not defending yuuta but he probably thought that Shichimiya's objective was the same as Nibutani. To know how the relationship with rikka is going.
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Old 2014-03-14, 16:17   Link #26
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I also felt terribly for Shichimiya. Poor girl. It is so painful when decisions you made in the past come back to bite you like this with regret when you are that age - it can hurt at any time, of course, but....

Well - I sincerely hope she will be able to come to some kind of closure. In anime they often prescribe confessing even though one knows they will be shot down. I wonder if that will happen here too? I certainly like her character and hope for the best for her. ^^
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I hope I'm not the only one that thinks this but ever since Shichimiya discussed her background with Takanashi and talked about how she briefly lost her powers, I couldn't help but swing heavily to the idea that Shichimiya just makes a better couple with Yuuta. Probably because I'm just so fed up with Takanashi constantly in her delusions but as far as I can see, it's been a major obstacle for any sort of chemistry with Yuuta and little token moments just don't do anything for me. At least Shichimiya is far more self aware and grounded in reality. You can actually have a half way conversation with her without needing a decoder and when she does go full Chuunibyou it doesn't sound as pathetic as when Takanashi does it. And it doesn't help that she is quite literally the Girl Next Door type so she easily earns my sympathies, especially this episode. Of course it would be ridiculous for the story to suddenly shift to Shichimiya's camp and there's absolutely no suggestion that they plan to but if anything that just pisses me off even more. Why did they have to introduce an even better version of the end girl at this point and with that kind of narrative role. Really I just wish Takanashi were more like her...
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Old 2014-03-15, 10:57   Link #28
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I hope I'm not the only one that thinks this but ever since Shichimiya discussed her background with Takanashi and talked about how she briefly lost her powers, I couldn't help but swing heavily to the idea that Shichimiya just makes a better couple with Yuuta. Probably because I'm just so fed up with Takanashi constantly in her delusions but as far as I can see, it's been a major obstacle for any sort of chemistry with Yuuta and little token moments just don't do anything for me. At least Shichimiya is far more self aware and grounded in reality. You can actually have a half way conversation with her without needing a decoder and when she does go full Chuunibyou it doesn't sound as pathetic as when Takanashi does it. And it doesn't help that she is quite literally the Girl Next Door type so she easily earns my sympathies, especially this episode. Of course it would be ridiculous for the story to suddenly shift to Shichimiya's camp and there's absolutely no suggestion that they plan to but if anything that just pisses me off even more. Why did they have to introduce an even better version of the end girl at this point and with that kind of narrative role. Really I just wish Takanashi were more like her...
You're not the only one who feels that way, far from it. I wonder if Kyoani realizes they've made Satone a better romantic partner for Yuuta than Rikka will ever be. I'm not sure what the point of this subplot is, all it does is make Rikka, the heroine, look bad. Why are they trying to make us sympathize with a girl who had lost before she even appeared in the show, and this late into the season to boot?
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I hope I'm not the only one that thinks this but ever since Shichimiya discussed her background with Takanashi and talked about how she briefly lost her powers, I couldn't help but swing heavily to the idea that Shichimiya just makes a better couple with Yuuta. Probably because I'm just so fed up with Takanashi constantly in her delusions but as far as I can see, it's been a major obstacle for any sort of chemistry with Yuuta and little token moments just don't do anything for me. At least Shichimiya is far more self aware and grounded in reality. You can actually have a half way conversation with her without needing a decoder and when she does go full Chuunibyou it doesn't sound as pathetic as when Takanashi does it. And it doesn't help that she is quite literally the Girl Next Door type so she easily earns my sympathies, especially this episode. Of course it would be ridiculous for the story to suddenly shift to Shichimiya's camp and there's absolutely no suggestion that they plan to but if anything that just pisses me off even more. Why did they have to introduce an even better version of the end girl at this point and with that kind of narrative role. Really I just wish Takanashi were more like her...
You have way too many companion on this boat.

Girls who come first but in the end got their prince stolen from them (in other word, childhood friends) always make my best girls. They constantly make me wonder why the hell they aren't the chosen ones. Shichimiya is not exactly childhood friend but the feeling remain the same.

I've never really taken a fancy to Rikka, not even during ss1. When this ss started,
I felt relieved that there would be another heroine added in to the cast. I knew that even if she had feeling for Yuta, it would bear no fruits. But still, anything other than Rikka or Nibu-Deko yuri was gladly welcomed by me at that time, for the diversity, lol. Now I regret it. Shichimiya is predetermined to lose this battle and will receive a lot of pain from it. I'd rather her be a true chuuni and carefree girl if I had known things would turn out this way.
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I don't get Yuta being criticized as dense or thick here.

Is Satone acting in a highly unusual way? For a normal person, yes. For her? It's harder to tell.

Folks, this is probably Exhibit A in the dangers inherent with mixing heavy chuunibyou with romance. It adds an extra layer of coded language beyond what often already exists in a romance. Romance already has an element of giving hints, picking up on hints, giving subtle cues, picking up on body language, etc... Getting just that much right alone can be tricky. Adding Chuunibyou coded language on top of it just makes it come across as a nonsensical mess that's borderline imperceptible. Of course Yuuta doesn't get it - I seriously doubt my teenage self would if I was in his shoes.

It might be different if Satone was ever his explicit girlfriend, but I don't get the impression that she was. Yuuta might not have a clue in this world that she ever liked him that way. It's not like "Sophia Ring's" interactions with "Dark Flame Master" were significantly different from "The Tyrant Eye's" interactions with Dekomori. There was the nose-touch, but that's not much by itself. By itself, it's easy enough to chalk it up as one of the strange "handshakes" of Chuunibyou.

So I don't think Yuuta deserves any criticism at all in this episode. He's showing most of his concern for his explicit girlfriend, and he's showing a little bit of concern for his old childhood friend. Good call, good balance, good prioritization. I'm fully with him here. It would be cold for him to just let Satone get soaked in the rain if he can help her, but Rikka also should come first, so she's going to be his primary focus - Not attempts to get through two layers of code in order to understand what Satone is really getting at. If I was getting grilled by Satone like he was, my first thought would honestly be "What Chuunibyou nonsense are you guys up to now?!" And just like Yuuta, I'd also be "Will you please cut it out? This is getting embarrassing!"


Now, my feelings on the episode as a whole are a bit mixed. On the one hand, some of it was interesting and the episode deserves massive props for getting me to feel so very sorry for Satone (more on this later). On the other hand, it was at times a painful watch, and I have to echo the criticisms of others - It feels like conflict for the sake of having conflict. Like KyoAni has to do something to fill up these episodes, and this was the best they (and the original author, I suppose) could come up with. But it is very hard to not like Yuta/Satone more than Yuta/Rikka... because man oh man does Satone ever have it bad for him. This is some very compelling love here. "Hero" is just about her everything (no wonder she calls him Hero), so a romance between them would likely be the thing of glorious dreams.

Spoiler for Nagi no Asukara comparison, major spoilers:



My gut feeling is that the only way that Satone resolves this once and for all is by telling Yuta exactly how she feels about him, as much as that may piss off Rikka. She's trying her best to handle it on her own, but it's clearly too much for her. And given just how huge Yuta looms in her mind, I think she needs to be released from her heartache by Yuta himself. And that can only happen if Yuta knows the whole truth of her feelings for him.

My gut feeling is that this is the watershed moment we're heading for, and it might be the climax of this season. Yuta acknowledges her feelings, and as Satone herself will likely request, he releases her from them (probably with some dramatic Dark Flame Master speechifying ), and then he turns back to Rikka.
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I hope I'm not the only one that thinks this but ever since Shichimiya discussed her background with Takanashi and talked about how she briefly lost her powers, I couldn't help but swing heavily to the idea that Shichimiya just makes a better couple with Yuuta. Probably because I'm just so fed up with Takanashi constantly in her delusions but as far as I can see, it's been a major obstacle for any sort of chemistry with Yuuta and little token moments just don't do anything for me. At least Shichimiya is far more self aware and grounded in reality. You can actually have a half way conversation with her without needing a decoder and when she does go full Chuunibyou it doesn't sound as pathetic as when Takanashi does it. And it doesn't help that she is quite literally the Girl Next Door type so she easily earns my sympathies, especially this episode. Of course it would be ridiculous for the story to suddenly shift to Shichimiya's camp and there's absolutely no suggestion that they plan to but if anything that just pisses me off even more. Why did they have to introduce an even better version of the end girl now. Really I just wish Takanashi were more like her...
Maybe you like Sophia better as a character because she is more in touch to reality than Rikka. Sure I agree that I also like her more than Rikka and she has better chemistry with Yuuta, however, I don't think Yuuta deserves her with how he's so oblivious toward her now unrequited feeling this episode. At this point, it seems Yuuta understands Rikka better than Sophia and from the first season I think we can agree that Rikka needs Yuuta more compared to Sophia’s unrequired feelings she is having now. Sophia’s unrequired feelings is something she should cope on her own without the help from Yuuta, but I feel the method she choose this episode is kind off extreme and unhealthy. I don't know, I think it's funny how Sophia self-proclaimed that she's practically married to her Chuunibyou while struggling to give up on Yuuta fearing that those feeling could take away her powers. Does that make her better than Rikka who tries to keep both? Sophia kinda brought this upon herself if anything, by choosing Chuunibyou over Yuuta in the past, so I don’t really feel bad for her at all this episode.

While I admit that Sophia is a better character than Rikka, I’m not seeing why some people think Yuuta is a better guy for Sophia than Rikka. Is it because Sophia happens to be a childhood friend and people are sick of childhood friend losing to new girl 90% of the time?

EDIT: Also keep in mind that Sophia's unrequited feelings just surfaced last episode, even though before that (for past 6 episodes) she's completely fine with supporting RikkaxYuuta. It's not surpriseing Yuuta won't suspect her being in love with him, and ridiculously so, that Touka of all people is the first to notice Sophia acting OOC even though she just know her. Shinka, Deko, and Kumin found out after Touka told them. It's not like Sophia’s wallowed up in sadness of unrequited feeling all this time while being separated from Yuuta after she transferred.

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Maybe you like Sophia better as a character because she is more in touch to reality than Rikka. Sure I agree that I also like her more than Rikka and she has better chemistry with Yuuta, however, I don't think Yuuta deserves her with how he's so oblivious toward her now unrequited feeling this episode.
He's oblivious to it for the reasons I listed in my first post on this thread, but also because he's simply not looking for it. He is totally committed to Rikka, so he's not even thinking about other girls liking him that way. That's just a complication that he doesn't need right now (especially given how easily Rikka gets jealous), even if it is a flattering one. I think his commitment here is to be commended, not criticized. However, it's unfortunate that his commitment isn't for the girl he has the most chemistry with...


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While I admit that Sophia is a better character than Rikka, I’m not seeing why some people think Yuuta is a better guy for Sophia than Rikka. Is it because Sophia happens to be a childhood friend and people are sick of childhood friend losing to new girl 90% of the time?
You said it yourself - Sophia has better chemistry with Yuuta. Sophia also often manages to sort of normalize her conversations a bit when circumstances call for it. This makes her seem a bit more mature than Rikka, which in turn makes her seem a bit more ready for a mature and/or steamy romance (which, let's face it, many viewers would like to see).
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I personally don't see Satone's chemistry with Yuuta as being better than what he has with Rikka. Sure, there's certainly the element of how Yuuta and Satone have a long history together, so there's a natural nature to their relationship born from that, but I don't see how a relationship between Yuuta and Satone would be that different from what we're getting now unless Satone drastically changed her personality.

As much as Satone is better about reining in her Chuunibyou compared to the rest of the cast, she's still the one who refused to give it up completely, while also refusing the idea of completely growing up, even as she was falling in love with Yuuta since she couldn't rectify her real personal feelings with the reality of her Chuunibyou. I think it says a lot that, even with her Chuunibyou, Rikka was still able to confess to Yuuta. She was even the first one to confess .

Satone could never take that first step, and unlike Rikka likely wouldn't be able to find some sort of balance between loving someone romantically and maintaining a Chuunibyou persona. Rikka's progress in her relationship with Yuuta has been slow, but it's there and I don't see why it won't continue. Rikka seems far more capable of balancing things, with her continued use of the "Tyrant's Eye" persona while still finding moments to act on her feelings for Yuuta and not hiding them.

Maybe it's because I'm more lenient when it comes to Rikka's Chuunibyou, or maybe because I actually really enjoy watching our main couple, but in general I'll have to be the minority who is perfectly fine with YuutaxRikka .

That said, I really, really felt for what Satone was going through in this episode. I think Kyoani handled her unrequited love and the pain of it quite well, and it helps that they've made her such a likeable character, not to say I like her more than Rikka The scene of her having Yuuta reinforce his love for Rikka so she could force herself to give up on him and dealing with all the heartache from that, as well as that "final blow" at the end was simply heartbreaking .

A Satone in love, when the fact that it's unrequited isn't referenced, was actually quite cute. Like Nibutani, I was reminded of the cuteness of Rikka dealing with her feelings in season 1 .

Remember when Isshiki was practically a member of the main cast? I know I do .

I'm pretty much agreed with Triple_R in regards to Yuuta's "denseness" to Satone, though that scene at the end was way too obvious for him to ignore. I expect him to in try in the next episode to deal with her feelings as gently as he possibly can.
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I personally don't see Satone's chemistry with Yuuta as being better than what he has with Rikka. Sure, there's certainly the element of how Yuuta and Satone have a long history together, so there's a natural nature to their relationship born from that, but I don't see how a relationship between Yuuta and Satone would be that different from what we're getting now unless Satone drastically changed her personality.
Yuuta seems more at ease around Satone to me. I recall Satone's brief appearance in the Kumin-focused nap contest episode, and how Satone/Yuuta played and partied together like two old BFFs completely relaxed and happy in each other's company.

Now, I'm not saying that Yuuta/Rikka can't achieve this same sort of dynamic as well, but they're not there yet.


But aside from that, I'm going to admit to a personal bias. And it's this bias that's much of what makes Yuuta/Satone a bit more appealing to me than Yuuta/Rikka currently is.

That bias is that I feel a bit uncomfortable about romantic pairings where one half of the pairing is significantly more mature than the other half. The reason why is that the relationship can take on a vaguely parent/child dynamic, and that can seem a bit creepy to me in a romance.

Another anime pairing that had this vibe for me was in the Kanon anime.

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My assessment of the maturity level of the characters in this show is that Yuuta and Sophia are both about the typical maturity level for their age - Yuuta might be slightly more mature given what he's had to go through in addressing Rikka's family issues, but it's not a big difference.

Rikka - I have to be blunt - Strikes me as having the maturity level of a 10 year old. So she's a fair bit behind where she ideally would be.

I've come to agree with those who want Rikka to grow more out of the chuunibyou act, but for me, it's not the chuunibyou per se that's the issue - It's that I think she needs to develop a normal teenager personality to sort of ground her chuunibyou eccentricity. In my view, Sophia and Mori Summer both have this, and Dekomori probably does. With Sophia, I get the sense that there's a mostly normal, sane teenage girl lying beneath the chuuni mask - With Rikka, I get the sense that she's really under-developed beneath the chuuni mask, and so she sort of needs to work on that. But she can't work on that if she's in chuuni-mode in all her spare time.


I'm not giving up on Yuuta/Rikka, but if there is a 3rd season (it's too late now for the 2nd), I hope we'll see Rikka's personal growth get more attention, because I think it is needed to make her relationship with Yuuta as strong and as compelling as it can be.


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I'm pretty much agreed with Triple_R in regards to Yuuta's "denseness" to Satone, though that scene at the end was way too obvious for him to ignore. I expect him to in try in the next episode to deal with her feelings as gently as he possibly can.
Oh, I agree with you there. Yes, it's pretty clear that Satone breaking down into tears like that is not just your typical chuuni fun and games. So I hope that Yuuta follows up on that next episode.
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well reading some posts i get basically the problem.

peoples dont like too much milk romance and chu2byou and keep going against the anime idea

well yuuta is not that "mature" i still dont get where peoples say who he is super mature, i guy who get embarrased to talk about love, to huge the person wich he's like, yuuta in romance is so "childshi" as rikka, both of them are big childrens when comes to romance because this is the first time in their lifes who their felt it and both of them are clueless or to much shy to know what to do, plus with others pepples doing "pressures" over then make the things worse.

nibutani is not a "perfect exemple" of how to deal with her chu2byou, she just used a facade in the first season, but dekomori easy thorn away that facade, nibutani actually is one of the worst exemples of "mature" when comes to deal with chu2byou, she is in a worse position than yuuta was in the first season, while in the beginner yuuta was strugle between leave his chu2byou in the past and keep it, he slowly was learn to balance it, while nibutani still completly stuck in first "accept" her past, before the balance, she obvious still like her past and her current personality reflect it, remember in the first episode when she goes crazy to even change her hair color.

then satoni another exemple of "bad dealing" and not mature, she is doing exactly rikka reverse path, while rikka is trying to "mature and keep her chu2byou, satone is stuck in dont want grow and keep her chu2byou, then she not better than rikka in this point, if she choose yuuta in the past than her chu2byou would be worst today, cuz probably she could be also regreting her choice, because she want be a chu2byou, in the beginner could be wonderfull but later probably could turn in painfull when her started to enter in conflict with herself like is happen now, the conflict will keep happen what gonna change is "for what" and on that time yuuta was happy being a chu2byou, then have a "normal" girlfriend could make their relationship bad.

i know see her suffer is bad and some peoples love her or dont like rikka "because their say who rikka is a children" but satone also another children, the difference is while rikka is a children try to grow, satone is a "peter pan", she is broken now before she can get some happiness she must first "fix" her strugle, otherwise will be pointless.

again this anime is not to "leave chu2byou behind" is to leave with it, you liking/agree or no with that idea.

and for now dekomori and rikka are the ones doing the better job here, yeah we can see who dekomori know when act chu2byou and when act normal(at last inside her class when nibutani is not near).

the only way she can be a good match for yuuta following the logic of the anime not your personnal desire is if satone can do what rikka is doing now, find the balance and be more sincere to her feelings as rikka is, in this point rikka is being much more "mature" than satone, because like yuuta told this is "why he loves her" and not because she is "normal" her chu2byou not bother yuuta as bother some watchers and that is what matter.
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@Triple_R: I wouldn't say the pairing strikes me as a more mature individual dating a less mature individual, though I can get where someone would see that in it, but more like someone with a lot of commons sense dating someone with a lack of it .

But that's just me. For the record, I actually liked the Kanon pairing as well .
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I almost cried watching this episode. Poor Satone.
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if yuuta "perfect pairing" was a "normal girl none of the "current girls could be the right option cuz none of them match "normal or mature" as peoples are claim, we must look by his eyes(his point of view) not by our own eyes, what is yuuta girls type otherwise we are projeting our own vision/desire not his on him.
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if yuuta "perfect pairing" was a "normal girl none of the "current girls could be the right option cuz none of them match "normal or mature" as peoples are claim, we must look by his eyes(his point of view) not by our own eyes, what is yuuta girls type otherwise we are projeting our own vision/desire not his on him.
Yuuta doesn't actually have any vision or desire. He's a fictional character. :P
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