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Old 2004-05-11, 04:48   Link #61
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Old 2004-05-11, 05:07   Link #62
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This ep was very informative, and many of us can already conclude lots of answers from this ep~Such as
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But here's a thought nobody mentioned yet and I think it is quite significant:
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Give me your thoughts plz^^~

and last but not least....LOVE FMA>o<

NOBODY cares to reply to my theory?? ><...oh well nonetheless i thought about it my self and hav somthing to add to it:
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Again, please tell me what your think about it.
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Old 2004-05-11, 05:17   Link #63
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NOBODY cares to reply to my theory?? ><
Awww...
I chose to ignore it because it involved manga spoilers (this is hypocrisy on my part as I implicitly referred to the spoiler as well, but the rules are the rules). I will use PM to reply.
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Old 2004-05-11, 07:15   Link #64
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NOBODY cares to reply to my theory?? ><...oh well nonetheless i thought about it my self and hav somthing to add to it:
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Again, please tell me what your think about it.

The only problem with your theory is that envy is like over 130 years old or so, since both it and greed know each other and greed's been locked away for over a hundred years. Unless Ed's father is a very very old man, I'm having trouble accepting your theory.
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Old 2004-05-11, 09:10   Link #65
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bah, i finish watching the ep and suddenly i find out FMA is liscenced.

anyhow, i liked this ep. it filled out quite a lot of holes.

i think its time i checked out the manga since ppl seem to think there is a massive difference, i can read it without spoiling myself.
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Old 2004-05-11, 15:03   Link #66
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Good episode. I'm glad that it was finally explained how homunculus are created.

I watched the Sonchou version, and understood everything but one stupid thing. Is "body alchemy" another term for human transmutation?

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Old 2004-05-11, 15:50   Link #67
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Good episode. I'm glad that it was finally explained how homunculus are created.

I watched the Sonchou version, and didn't understand one thing. Is "body alchemy" another term for human transmutation?
Yes.
And the text repeated in the end credits calls it "Flesh Forging"

English can express things in many ways :P
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Old 2004-05-12, 01:41   Link #68
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Old 2004-05-12, 04:36   Link #69
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Old 2004-05-12, 05:02   Link #70
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why do i see lust and gluttony towards the end ? what are they really planning to do. kill roy ?
My question is why they were at the refuge camp to begin with; weren't they assigned to deal with Greed while Envy is supposed to monitor Ed? The Sins don't know yet that Roy is intending to investigate Hughes' death so I don't see why they want to kill him.
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Old 2004-05-12, 07:38   Link #71
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Now that the fanboy vultures have flown, back to the speculation...

I've been thinking about Sloth aka Juliet Douglas aka 'she who looks like Trisha'. We know JD was alive during (and possibly caused) the Ishbal war, therefore before Trisha died which kind of makes the idea that Humonculus are created by HT a little confusing. However it's only a name, JD could well have been killed and when Sloth 'emerged' she took the identity.

Its clear from Eps 29-31 that a humonculus is born 'untainted'. They have to become a Sin by consuming proto-Philosopher Stone crystals. So it's entirely possible when the Humonculus emerged after Ed and AL's HT attempt failed she may have wandered around before being found and 'Sinified' (perhaps by Envy, as 'it' knows the process well), then adopted the name of Juliet Douglas.

How Slothful to steal another person's identity when you can't even be bothered to invent one of your own. Though like Wrath said, Humonculus do not have souls, so adopting alternative identities seems to be a way of 'life' for them.

*sigh* 19 more weeks of speculation...

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Old 2004-05-12, 07:44   Link #72
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The real Juliet Douglas died 2 years before the Ishbal war, which puts the first appearance of Sloth around the same time Ed was born. So it's definatly not the result of Ed and Al's HT. Maybe their father was trying to create another woman in his wife's image and that is why it bears a resemblence to her?
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Old 2004-05-12, 07:59   Link #73
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The real Juliet Douglas died 2 years before the Ishbal war, which puts the first appearance of Sloth around the same time Ed was born. So it's definatly not the result of Ed and Al's HT. Maybe their father was trying to create another woman in his wife's image and that is why it bears a resemblence to her?
Hmm...I can't rememeber off-hand, but do we know when Sloth first appeared in the FMA timeline? Is there definitive proof that this was before Trisha died?

As I remember Sloth's first anime appearance was in the ep when Ed and Al get beaten up by Scar and Sloth takes Marcoh to the Fuhrer and Al remarks he heard their 'mother's voice'.

In any case we can speculate that if the 'real' Juliet Douglas died before Trisha's death then the Humonculus Ed/Al created could easily have adopted the 'real' JD's identity when she became Sloth as we have no image of the 'real' JD to contradict or confirm her likeness to Trisha.

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There is, in the episode when Sloth is revealed she is confronted about it all. Hughes says that the real Juilet Douglas died before the Ishbal war, and Winry's parents died in the Ishbal war while Ed and Al were still learning alchemy.
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Old 2004-05-12, 08:38   Link #75
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There is, in the episode when Sloth is revealed she is confronted about it all. Hughes says that the real Juilet Douglas died before the Ishbal war, and Winry's parents died in the Ishbal war while Ed and Al were still learning alchemy.
Yep, but there is no direct link between Sloth and the 'real' Juliet Douglas other than the name as mentioned by Hughes. Sloth looks like Trisha, no one is questioning that. But the 'real' and 'dead' Juliet Douglas may not have looked anything like Sloth/Trisha. I think Sloth is using the identity of the 'real' and 'dead' Juliet Douglas.

If Hughes had shown us a photo of the 'real' and 'dead' Juliet Douglas and she looked like Sloth and Trisha then yes, it would proof that Sloth was not created as result of the HT attempted by Ed and Al...

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Old 2004-05-13, 04:25   Link #76
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eh.. another random question...

Why is it that the Crimson alchemist clapped his hands when he was about to perform alchemy? Clapping is only Ed's thing... Mustang has the circle on his glove and he doesn't clap. Kimbly has his circle on his hand.


I find it kinda wierd that Kimbly wasn't able to capture Ed and Al... I didnt think Ed would be anywhere near powerful enough to defend himself form this maniac... strange.
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Old 2004-05-13, 08:44   Link #77
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Why is it that the Crimson alchemist clapped his hands when he was about to perform alchemy? Clapping is only Ed's thing... Mustang has the circle on his glove and he doesn't clap. Kimbly has his circle on his hand.
We are told that Kimbley's ability is transmuting materials within human bodies into a powder-like substance and then compressing it rapidly to cause an explosion. Now, my initial assumption long ago was that he only claps when there are no bodies available to extract material from his own body, but apparently that is not that case.

In the instances he clapped, Kimberly only contacted the target's body one-handedly afterwards. In episode 22, he did not clap before blowing that prisoner up, but both palms contacted the victim's body. The only conclusion I can draw, then, is that his ability primarily works as a pair and requires both palms to contact his ammunition; otherwise, he must clap first before blowing up something single-handedly. As for why...I don't know either.


Notice how the two transmutation circles on his palms resemble a sun and a moon? I guess they are just meant to work in pair.

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I find it kinda wierd that Kimbly wasn't able to capture Ed and Al... I didnt think Ed would be anywhere near powerful enough to defend himself form this maniac... strange.
Plot device, I guess? Besides, Kimbley's ability is to create explosions using human bodies as ammunition, so unless he decides to blow Ed and Al up, I don't think he can subdue them...he is more suitable for killing them.
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Old 2004-05-13, 17:03   Link #78
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Finally joining in for some latecomer speculation.

About the Sins... it's obvious that Envy, Greed, Pride, and possibly Gluttony are old-school. Lust, Sloth, and Wrath are obviously new. Why is Pride old-school, you might ask? Greed knew of his existence (and Envy's) in episode 30. Gluttony was not mentioned in either 30 or 31, so his old-schoolness is questionable.

And it seems that there have been a Seven Deadly Sins before, long long ago. Envy says something along the lines of, this is the fist time in a while all seven have gathered...

Only more episodes will reveal the truth.
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Old 2004-05-13, 17:12   Link #79
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Finally joining in for some latecomer speculation.

About the Sins... it's obvious that Envy, Greed, Pride, and possibly Gluttony are old-school. Lust, Sloth, and Wrath are obviously new. Why is Pride old-school, you might ask? Greed knew of his existence (and Envy's) in episode 30. Gluttony was not mentioned in either 30 or 31, so his old-schoolness is questionable.

And it seems that there have been a Seven Deadly Sins before, long long ago. Envy says something along the lines of, this is the fist time in a while all seven have gathered...

Only more episodes will reveal the truth.
And what as the thing about the skeleton that Envy mocked Greed about? I didn't see anyone mention that, wonder what that's all about?

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Do you mean the skull? That's the skull upon which Greed's prison was forged, and hence when Barry created the explosion, the skull broke, and Greed awoke. I'm guessing the remains of the skull are what was in the mystery bag in episode 30.
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