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Old 2011-02-26, 18:51   Link #1
Toddler Naruto
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Question Re-Encoding 720p H.264 MKVs to 400p XviD AVIs?

I have already tried using XviD4PSP 5.37, but it takes me 1 hour and 40 minutes to do a 2-pass.

Here are my computer's specs for reference.

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Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.20GHz
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Physical RAM: 254MB
Virtual Memory: 2047MB
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Old 2011-02-26, 21:37   Link #2
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I would suggest you try WinFF. Not sure if it will help since your slow encode speed could just be because of ancient hardware.

btw, why do you need an avi?
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Old 2011-02-27, 00:32   Link #3
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use Super
http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html

or handbrake

http://handbrake.fr/

No matter what you use it will still take a while. Your processor simply can't go any faster and you are very light on RAM.

If you want less than 30 min transcodes for a 30 min episode you need bare minimum - low end quadcore or high end dual core processor and 2 gbs of ram.

He probably needs avi becuse that p4 will choke on some 1280x720 encodes
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Old 2011-02-27, 04:45   Link #4
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I would suggest you try WinFF. Not sure if it will help since your slow encode speed could just be because of ancient hardware.

btw, why do you need an avi?
I need 400p XviD AVIs because my computer can not play any 720p h.264 mkvs at all.

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use Super
http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html

or handbrake

http://handbrake.fr/

No matter what you use it will still take a while. Your processor simply can't go any faster and you are very light on RAM.

If you want less than 30 min transcodes for a 30 min episode you need bare minimum - low end quadcore or high end dual core processor and 2 gbs of ram.

He probably needs avi becuse that p4 will choke on some 1280x720 encodes
I can not play any 720p h.264 mkv at all actually.
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Old 2011-02-27, 10:36   Link #5
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Handbrake doesn't do avi anymore. Only mkv and mp4.
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Old 2011-02-27, 13:36   Link #6
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Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.20GHz
with that kind of CPU its not advisable to re-encode as it will take a long while

ill give you a hint just google mini mkv and just download 400p at ~60mb re-encodes from there
or alternatively you can just download SD like 400p to 480p from fansubbers site
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Old 2011-02-27, 13:39   Link #7
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with that kind of CPU its not advisable to re-encode as it will take a long while

ill give you a hint just google mini mkv and just download 400p at ~60mb re-encodes from there

or alternatively you can just download SD like 400p to 480p from fansubbers site
mini-mkvs are fail no thanks. 400p XviD AVIs ftw.

Anyways I found a way to keep same quality and reduce the re-encoding time by half.

(1 pass CRF)
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Old 2011-02-27, 13:42   Link #8
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err not at all h264 is better than Xvid, even if h264 is only at 60mb range at 400p
want some examples? or maybe its against the forum rules lol

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Old 2011-02-27, 14:02   Link #9
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Not everyone is focused on "better;" some people just want something that plays and looks decent.

I have devices that only play DivX/XviD. I had computers that wouldn't play 720p MKVs until recently, too. A new computer and graphics card fixed the latter problem, but only re-encoding to XviD is going to make something that will play on my COWON A3 or on my older DVD player.
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Old 2011-02-27, 17:10   Link #10
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err not at all h264 is better than Xvid, even if h264 is only at 60mb range at 400p
want some examples? or maybe its against the forum rules lol

Thanks for the links.

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Not everyone is focused on "better;" some people just want something that plays and looks decent.

I have devices that only play DivX/XviD. I had computers that wouldn't play 720p MKVs until recently, too. A new computer and graphics card fixed the latter problem, but only re-encoding to XviD is going to make something that will play on my COWON A3 or on my older DVD player.
If I wanted "better looking" encodes, I would have gotten a job by now so I could just buy a better/newer computer.

I'm fine with watching anime in 400p XviD AVI or 480p H.264 MKV quality for the rest of my life.
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Old 2011-03-07, 19:14   Link #11
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I'm fine with watching anime in 400p XviD AVI or 480p H.264 MKV quality for the rest of my life.
But the sad thing with this is that video technology gets obsolete, and one of those days in the future, you will regret saying that because XviD AVI and H.264 are not standards anymore, and scarcity of re-encodes happens.

There is really a need for more RAM and an AGP HD2650 or an HD3850 so that you can do GPU offloading.
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Old 2011-03-08, 00:32   Link #12
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But the sad thing with this is that video technology gets obsolete, and one of those days in the future, you will regret saying that because XviD AVI and H.264 are not standards anymore, and scarcity of re-encodes happens.

There is really a need for more RAM and an AGP HD2650 or an HD3850 so that you can do GPU offloading.
My mom's computer only accepts PCI Video cards, which is why a friend of mine sent me a Nvidia GeFORCE GT 8400.
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Old 2011-03-10, 15:07   Link #13
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mini-mkvs are fail no thanks. 400p XviD AVIs ftw.


Come on, mini-mkv is the thing to use for small size, avi and xvid is outdated.
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Come on, mini-mkv is the thing to use for small size, avi and xvid is outdated.
agree. I wish more groups would release these instead of .avi's.
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Old 2011-03-10, 18:18   Link #15
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....minitheatre.....
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Old 2011-03-10, 22:16   Link #16
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Come on, mini-mkv is the thing to use for small size, avi and xvid is outdated.
Nuh uh, Xvid AVI is definitely better.

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Old 2011-03-11, 01:59   Link #17
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Nuh uh, Xvid AVI is definitely better.
... In what way exactly? H264 is far more efficient (easily better quality at half the filesize)and you shouldn't have CPU speed issues at low resolutions. But whatever floats your boat, I guess.
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Old 2011-03-11, 09:28   Link #18
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... In what way exactly? H264 is far more efficient (easily better quality at half the filesize)and you shouldn't have CPU speed issues at low resolutions. But whatever floats your boat, I guess.
I just prefer 175 MB files over 100 MB, for some reason.

Most of the small-sized encodes are bit-rate starved anyways.
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Old 2011-03-11, 12:20   Link #19
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I just prefer 175 MB files over 100 MB, for some reason.

Most of the small-sized encodes are bit-rate starved anyways.
http://mod16.org/hurfdurf/?p=175

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Old 2011-03-11, 19:04   Link #20
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Hell, even that article is actually way beyond this issue (but completely right in any case). I can understand people durfing about filesizes when comparing files with the same codec and resolution (even if some minimal knowledge about how video compression works will make you see how stupid you're being), but comparing the ancient history that Xvid is by now to H264? Unless you just like 500MB+ Xvid's for SD or don't care about quality at all... in which case it still makes sense that you'd go for the lower filesize, I think.

In fact, I just did an encode with x264 on whatever the fastest preset is (with stuff like me=dia, subme=0, no deblocking, and other very nice things) at the same bitrate as an Xvid with highly efficient settings - well, as efficient as Xvid can get anyway. There's not a whole lot of difference: both are almost equally eyecancer-inducing with the Xvid being slightly more clean. I'm fairly sure turning on deblocking alone would already turn the tables around.

On a side note, seeing x264 reach 350 fps is... interesting.
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