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Old 2004-05-22, 19:16   Link #21
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Old 2004-05-23, 04:49   Link #22
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No FMA for another week! -- TEH SUXOR!
Well at least Monster ep. 6 came out today!
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Old 2004-05-23, 09:35   Link #23
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This is bad, there anit been a FMA shortage like this for near on 33 weeks.

We are goina die!
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Old 2004-05-23, 11:05   Link #24
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I barely survived the break after the double-episode of Naruto! And now they cancel this episode of FMA? AAAAH!!
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Old 2004-05-23, 15:09   Link #25
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grrrrrr.... bloody annoying...

I was hoping to see Mustang vs. Scar too aside from the other things mentioned above.
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Old 2004-05-23, 15:30   Link #26
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Anyone who lives in Japan may update us on whether it is a delay or if they just skipped it this week.
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Old 2004-05-23, 16:25   Link #27
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Anyone who lives in Japan may update us on whether it is a delay or if they just skipped it this week.
I'm not in Japan (more's the pity) but the official MBS site (and Bones's news page) have a notice that confirms the reschudeling until the 29th...

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Old 2004-05-23, 18:09   Link #28
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Old 2004-05-23, 18:28   Link #29
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"Hagane no Renkinjutsushi" for this week had to be cancelled because of a breaking news story which is a very big news in Japan right now.

Japanese nationals were kidnapped to North Korea in the late 1970s. For twenty odd years, the Japanese government pressed the North Korean government for answers about this. North Korea, on the other hand, denied any such incidents and that Japan was fabricating such lies.

In 2002, the Japanese PM, Koizumi Junichiro went to North Korea in a historic summit to meet with its leader, Kim Jong-il to improve Japanese-North Korean relations. There, the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il finally admitted that their country indeed kidnapped dozens of Japanese nationals from Niigata and abroad to train their soldiers in Japanese language and culture.

The Japanese National Police officially lists fifteen Japanese nationals that were kidnapped by North Korean agents. Out of the fifteen, ten Japanese were listed as "missing" or "dead by natural causes" within North Korea. Five kidnap victims were then given permission to "visit back" to Japan in 2002:

Hasuike Kaoru
Hasuike (nee Okudo) Yukiko
Chimura Yasushi
Chimura (nee Hamamoto) Fukie
Soga Hitomi

The Japanese government, populace and media burst out in anger with this. The Japanese government and the police has been pressing the North Koreans about this incident and they have been denying this for twenty years

Most of the kidnapped victims "died" of "natural causes?!" The Japanese government sent special investigators to North Korea to research those deaths and found:

Ichikawa Shuichi (then 23 yrs old) - kidnapped August 1978, "drowned while playing at a beach September 1979"
Masumoto Rumiko (then 24 years old) - kidnapped August 1978, "died of sudden heart failure August 1981"
Hara Tadaaki (then 43 years old) - kidnapped June 1980, "died of a sudden liver disorder July 1986"
Taguchi Yaeko (then 22 years old) - kidnapped June 1978, "died in a mysterious car accident July 1986"
Ishioka Ryo (then 22 years old) - kidnapped June 1980, "died by accidental gas poisoning November 1988"
Arimoto Meguko (then 23 years old) - kidnapped July 1983, "died by accidental gas poisoning November 1988"
Yokota Megumi (then 13 years old) - kidnapped November 1977, "died by commiting suicide in a hospital March 1993"
Matsugi Kaoru (then 26 years old) - kidnapped June 1980, "died in a mysterious car accident August 1996"
Hisagome Yuu (then 52 years old) - kidnapped September 1977, "North Korea does not have any documents regarding his entrance into this country"
Soga Miyoshi (then 43 years old) - kidnapped August 1978 along with daughter Soga Hitomi, "North Korea does not have any documents regarding her entrance into this country"

"Died in a mysterious car accident?" "Death by gas poisoning?" "Heart failure?" "Drowned on a beach?" "Liver failure?" Come on, these people were most likely killed off by the government of North Korea.



Either way, five were still alive, and those five were subsequently returned back to Japan.

Twenty five years since they were kidnapped. That is too long of a time for them to come back to 21st century Japan.

Twenty five years is also plenty of time for these people to have their lives taken away - and plenty of time to rebuild their lives in a totalitarian country as well.

As you can see, Hasuike Kaoru and Okudo Yukiko married in North Korea. Chimura Yasushi and Hamamoto Fukie also wed in North Korea. Soga Hitomi herself has a husband - Charles Jenkins - an American soldier that deserted from his post in the DMZ in 1965. How about the people that "died of mysterious causes?" Yokota Megumi, who supposedly "killed herself in a hospital" left behind a daughter - Kim Hegyon.

So these kidnap victims were able to "visit back" to Japan...that's great....but what about their children? Twenty five years is plenty of time for these victims to have children, no?

By Japanese law: "Children of Japanese nationals are also Japanese" (jure sanguinis). So even though the children of these Japanese kidnap victims were born in North Korea, they are entitled to Japanese nationality.

However - North Korea did not release their children at that time. Why? Because North Korea stated that Japan violated the agreement that they were only given permission to "visit back" Japan. Here is another dillemma:

The returnees were able to step on their homeland for the first time in twenty five years. For twenty five years, their lives were changed dramatically. They have children and families back in North Korea. But then again, the returnees were also kidnapped when they were in the twenties - their own Japanese parents refuse strongly to have them return to such a nation that would kidnap other country's nationals. And after several months, the returnees themselves finally began to realize once again that they were under brainwashed conditions in North Korea - and that Japan is a free democracy.

So the returnees' children were left behind in North Korea....until now.

So in May 21st, 2004 - PM Koizumi Junichiro once again visited North Korea's Kim Jong-il. This time, finally to the relief of the Hasuike and Chimura family - their children were given permission to be "repatriated back to Japan as Japanese nationals." The children repatriated back to Japan:

Hasuike family:
eldest daughter (22) - Japanese given name "Shigeyo"
eldest son (19) - Japanese given name "Katsuya"

Chimura family:
eldest daughter (22)
eldest son (20)
second son (16)

Some notable quotes from their children that makes people wonder what their lives were in North Korea:

"The Prime Minister of Japan was drinking juice in the plane to Japan. The juice that I am drinking is the same one - are you sure it is legal for me to drink the same stuff the highest ranking government official in Japan?"

"Tomorrow, our family is going to visit Tokyo. I first couldn't believe that we didn't need any governmental papers to go anywhere"

"Everyone in this country owns a car and TV! I guess everyone must of done extraordinary things for the state to be given such high class luxuries"


But, this summit was called a half-success. Because, Soga Hitomi's family were not able to return. Reason: once Soga's husband, Charles Jenkins goes back to Japan - he will be immediately arrested by the United States State Department for military tribunal: desertion of a military unit and allegations of spying and forking over secrets to an enemy state. The US' ambassador to Japan, Jim Baker's response: "I don't care if Mr. Jenkins deserted and defected to North Korea in 1965 - what he did was against US military doctrine, and if he returns he will be punished to the fullest extent of our law." Hence, Charles Jenkins replied "I'd rather stay in North Korea along with my children."
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Old 2004-05-23, 19:50   Link #30
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How do you guys make a thread about an episode no one can get? (becuase it is lisenced)
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Old 2004-05-23, 20:07   Link #31
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Wow... that is quite a story. I'd have to say "thank you" to kj for letting us know of this. Finally, I can look forward to reading some "good news." The Yahoo! Full Coverage of Japan will be in my daily routine for at least a month--before the Iraq thing.

And really, this is more than enough drama that anything else has to be put on hold. I truly wonder just how I have never heard of this story. Damn the American media. Imagine if the same thing happened to a single American citizen and the story just broke--an American held against his/her will for 25 years in N. Korea--all hell would break loose, and forget about the war on terror, wait, better yet, N. Korea would then be officially labeled "terrorist" and free to be invaded by the U.S. military. I'm just venting now, for the victims, mind you.
My best wishes for them and their new lives.

And even if what I just wrote seem off-topic, it directly ties to the cancellation/rescheduling of the new episode so in conclusion... go Ed go!
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Old 2004-05-23, 20:16   Link #32
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How do you guys make a thread about an episode no one can get? (becuase it is lisenced)
There are still people who watch the raws and the Japanese broadcasts--which I believe is outside the purview of the no licensed fansub rules of AnimeSuki? The issue has been brought up when Chrno Crusade got licensed--I've never seen an episode of it, by the way--discussion are still allowed as long as it does not mention where to get "unethically fansubbed material." or who is performing the said unethical task.

I'm watching the raws as they become available--I can't grasp it all but I get about 60% of the dialogue in a show like FMA--and I'm not touching any of the fasubs. It's a fine line, I know--one that's being redrawn for myself in the case of Samurai Champloo: This one I'm not even touching the raws.
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夜空に星が瞬くように Yozora ni hoshi ga matataku youni,|Sure as the nightsky full of twinkling stars,
溶けた心は離れない Toketa kokoro wa hanare nai|There shall be no separating these melting hearts;
例えこの手が離れても Tatoe kono te ga hanare temo|Even if these hands should ever part,
二人がそれを忘れぬ限り Futari ga soreo wasurenu kagiri|As long as it's never forgotten by these two in love.

君が望む永遠 Kimi ga Nozomu Eien|The Eternity of Your Wish
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Old 2004-05-23, 21:05   Link #33
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although i'm not happy for the cancellation of ep 33 for this week, i think the broadcast of the japanese returning home from north korea is important. i'm not japanese but i'm glad this happened and some families are finally reunited after decades. anyway, looking forward to ep 33 next week.
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Old 2004-05-23, 23:29   Link #34
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If you watch as much news as I do you would have seen this 2 years ago. These are those "filler" news casts when nothing big is happening. I believe it was on "around the world in 60 seconds" on Fox News. Glad its finally coming to a close though. This is worse then the Americans in Iran.

I can wait another week of FMA. Maybe they do a double episode
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Old 2004-05-24, 01:46   Link #35
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I can wait another week of FMA. Maybe they do a double episode
Hey! That's actually a good idea! I really hope they do!
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Old 2004-05-24, 01:58   Link #36
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[QUOTE=kj1980]"Hagane no Renkinjutsushi" for this week had to be cancelled because of a breaking news story which is a very big news in Japan right now.

Japanese nationals were kidnapped to North Korea in the late 1970s. For twenty odd years, the Japanese government pressed the North Korean government for answers about this. North Korea, on the other hand, denied any such incidents and that Japan was fabricating such lies.

Thank you kj for posting this. I never heard about this story. I'm korean and adopted, i'm currently searching for my parents and just recently found some information, so it makes me happy to hear these families were reunited.

I'm betting this episode will be Al getting kidnapped and more on the military and scar. Unless he's a big role with the sins and Al, i think they should go more into his story now and a few more eps, then just let it all out with the sins and Mr. Pride. Can't wait to see who he turns out to be in the anime, since it's still technically open to who it could be. Well, while everyone waits for the ep, all of you should go watch the music video for UNDO, hahaha >.>
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Old 2004-05-24, 07:38   Link #37
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no offence taken..i think.
sorry as south korean to every fma fan
i can't believe i have to wait another week too
whats going on again? north korea (politics and communism is just screwed in my opinion. )wonder how long it will take to make them less communist
As far as I know, some Japanese socialists went over to North Korea in the past to live there but they found it unpleasant and tried to come back to Japan. However the North Korean government refused to let them out of the country so for the past year or so, the Japanese government has been trying to coax North Korea into releasing them. Apparently it has succeeded.

PS- Personally, I dont really care if someone talks bad about North Korea because I'm a South Korean but thats just me.

Edit: Hmm I guess this is the North Korean side of the story or I am totally misinformed....
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Old 2004-05-24, 07:54   Link #38
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If you watch as much news as I do you would have seen this 2 years ago. These are those "filler" news casts when nothing big is happening. I believe it was on "around the world in 60 seconds" on Fox News. Glad its finally coming to a close though. This is worse then the Americans in Iran.

I can wait another week of FMA. Maybe they do a double episode
I don't watch FOX News on principal--fair and balanced my ass Same thing goes to CBS's "based on a true story" human stories.
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溶けた心は離れない Toketa kokoro wa hanare nai|There shall be no separating these melting hearts;
例えこの手が離れても Tatoe kono te ga hanare temo|Even if these hands should ever part,
二人がそれを忘れぬ限り Futari ga soreo wasurenu kagiri|As long as it's never forgotten by these two in love.

君が望む永遠 Kimi ga Nozomu Eien|The Eternity of Your Wish
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Old 2004-05-24, 08:24   Link #39
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A bit ; but I think this image might intrigue you all about the power usage of North Korea, compared to it's neighbour and the other countries surrounding it


Look at that... North Korea is dark

Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../dprk-dark.htm (More info here)
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Old 2004-05-24, 18:33   Link #40
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[from the pic]
Do North Koreans have anything to do at night? Cinema? Pub? (or even TV?)... Outside of Pyongyang there are almost none. So everyone goes to bed early therefore no need to light the roads.

otherwise...

"The whole nation on curfew? Awesome!"

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