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Old 2003-11-25, 14:28   Link #1
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Talking Kimi ga Nozomu Eien=Hentai

This series is suposed to be a hentai serie ..but there is little or less sex scenes on the series how boring ..and so many pretty girls


this SOAP OPERA ROCKS dont you agree guys ?!
but with more sex scenes would ROCK!
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Old 2003-11-25, 14:39   Link #2
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This series is suposed to be a hentai serie ..but there is little or less sex scenes on the series how boring ..and so many pretty girls


this SOAP OPERA ROCKS dont you agree guys ?!
but with more sex scenes would ROCK!
umm...no. This show has enough sex scenes as it is. For there to be more sex scenes, Mitsuki would have to quit her job and just live in Takayuki's bed...

also, this kind of seems like a dumb topic...anyway, let's see what everyone else does with it.
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Old 2003-11-25, 14:46   Link #3
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Hentai is often used to describe anime pornography (atleast outside of japan). Porn this is not. Aimed at adults yes, but definately not "hentai".

The game was more adult in content (no more sex than the show, but more "in depth"), perhaps you may want to give it a try. I would still not call it "porn", seeing how porn is used solely for sexual gratification, and kiminozo is far from this category.

The game is japanese only, with no translation in sight though.

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Old 2003-11-25, 17:52   Link #4
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Actually, the new softhouses that make these types of games are not making it entirely for the ero-game market alone.

Most of the time, they have a secondary backup that if their game takes off in the ero-game market, they can easily re-create the game without any sex scenes into the regular gaming consoles.

Granted, they first need to do it with sex scenes for the ero-game market because, well...sex sells. And since they are an upstart company that doesn't have the backup money nor the credentials to send it out on the gaming console first, they need to sell in the more open ero-game market.

If that game happens to sell in the ero-game market, then the creators can easily re-script the game without any sex scenes. Most of these games have sex scenes, but the creators also keep in mind to write the story up so that if it were to go console, that it wouldn't need sex scenes at all.

A great example is Kanon. That game had very little sex scene to begin with when it was first introduced into the ero-game market in 1998. Why? Because, if Kanon did well and if it were to go console (like it did onto the DC and PS2), that they could just pull those scenes off and still make the story.

But if you think of it, how many stories do need sex scenes to make a good story anyway?

In these types of games, "sex scenes" are just filler material. Sure, it's there. Of course. Sex sells, but "Sex ONLY" doesn't sell.
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Old 2003-11-25, 18:18   Link #5
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Nah.

"Sex ONLY" doesn't sell.

Oh really? Then how come most of them have names like Suki suki oniichan and Futago Ecchi? I guess they sell, huh?
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Old 2003-11-25, 19:18   Link #6
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"Sex ONLY" doesn't sell.

Oh really? Then how come most of them have names like Suki suki oniichan and Futago Ecchi? I guess they sell, huh?
Do those games with such title ever become big hits to have their own TV anime? (note the term, "TV anime" as opposed to OVAs made by Pink Pineapple)

Granted they sell, but not at the "enormous" rate compared to titles such as Cross+Channel, KazokuKeikaku, and Comic Party.
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Old 2003-11-25, 20:04   Link #7
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Granted they sell, but not at the "enormous" rate compared to titles such as Cross+Channel, KazokuKeikaku, and Comic Party.

Obviously, but only a few hits like those get produced each year. When you consider the hundreds of games outputted each year, the market share from those hits aren't really significant. There are many more "sex" games being sold over hits, because they sell.

Case in point ... Key has made 2 games in 7 years, both of which sold like hotcakes. However, it's just two games. I'm betting a company which has made 25 games in that same period would make more cash.
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Granted they sell, but not at the "enormous" rate compared to titles such as Cross+Channel, KazokuKeikaku, and Comic Party.

Obviously, but only a few hits like those get produced each year. When you consider the hundreds of games outputted each year, the market share from those hits aren't really significant. There are many more "sex" games being sold over hits, because they sell.

Case in point ... Key has made 2 games in 7 years, both of which sold like hotcakes. However, it's just two games. I'm betting a company which has made 25 games in that same period would make more cash.
Not quite. Making more does not necessarily mean more cash. You are thinking in terms of net sales from games alone, whereas in games like Kanon, royalties and secondary profits arise from character goods, anime DVD sales, novels, comic anthologies, sponsor tie-ins in addition to game sales. Whereas companies like Alicesoft can dish out close to five games a year, and have its own success as well, most of the profits just goes back to production for another game.

On the other hand, you have Key, which made a huge success with Kanon and Air. Only two games does not necessarily mean less profits. A game with such huge success gets attention of anime production companies and huge sponsorships from goods manufacturers.

Japanese royalties typically ranging from 10% of the entire DVD sales, 15% of goods, and 15% of published books. In Japan, these royalties do not come from sales, but from first press issues. Hence if each book costs 500 yen, and Key were to get 15% royalty and the first press run is 30,000 copies (the minimal in Japanese publishing), Key gets 1,500,000 yen (approx US$12,500) on novels alone. With Kanon still in its popularity with many comic anthologies and novels out, I would deem it to have a huge profit from "just two games."

However, I am not dissing about those other tyes of eroge- at all. Alicesoft makes very interesting strategic games (i.e. "DaiAkuji" and "DaiBancho") which I believe is very intuitive in game play. Elf actually did a very good job in collaboration with Akahori Satoru in "Lime-iro Senkitan." Hey, even "Shiritsu Akihabara Gakuen" (aka: aki-gaku) was a very cool game, yes with all the moe- youso involved, still had cute characters that I would take them any day ^^; Like I said, these games also should not be counted only for game sales, but in other aspects of game related goods as well. Who knows? Sometimes these softhouses actually do produce very good quality games once a while and they too get tie-ins as well. Remember fairytale/cocktailsoft had a huge success with "Pia Carrot" and "Pia Carrot 2."

It is only a matter of principle of each individual softhouse: "Make more, produce more, be happy" or "Make less, make good, be happy." Some opt for the former as it is less time consuming and you can do and try many different things at the same time. Others opt for the latter because of the challenge, the feeling of "kitai" and "pressure" for success. Whichever works, it's all good.

In Japanese, the former type of eroge softhouses actually refer to themselves with the old Japanese proverb "heta na teppo- mo kazu ucha ataru" (even the sorriest shooter will hit something when they use a lot of ammo). The latter refer themselves to go with the old Chinese saying "senri no michi mo dai ippo kara" (A journey of a thousand miles all begin with the first step)
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