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Old 2004-07-04, 09:46   Link #21
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Wait, that's 56 kb right? To me that's really fast. Hell, going 10 kb on my computer is like Godspeed because mine goes about 4.6 kb per second average, and I have to use Internet Explorer, along with AOL.
Umm, no. 56K=56Kb=56kbps=7KB/s at most.

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yea, this kid sounds like me. it is a good life that. but anyway, you are not going to get him unaddicted to diablo 2 unless he has some horrible experiance with it. you could go into his account and delete all his characters without him knowing... but that would be a horrible thing and requires you to steal his password
Yup, let's help Roots getting the CD-Key of his brother's copy banned. (Works with Warcraft 3, too)
1. Search for Maphack in Google and download it from any site that does not look trustworthy. Unzip and activate it (disable your antivirus/antitrojan programs first)
2. Install all available hacks for D2 - if that does not get him banned I don't know what will.
3. Seriously: There are sites that list the IPs of the b.net servers. Block them, so that he can't connect to them anymore. Moreover, the ladder season is going to finish soon anyway, that would be the moment to get him away from D2.
4. Take the rights to install programs from him or install Linux, whatever ^_^

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**First introduce him to some of Japan's finest animated Ero games for the computer. Then when he wants more, substitute with real*² porn. Should all work out ok, he will likely give up his daily life style in search for the perfect real girl,.. assuming that you had gave him some good tasting porn during the second stage.
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#5 I have a 38 year old brother from my father's first wedding. Every week he would give him money and sent him to prostitutes to allow him to be more open(those were the days unlike today ).
I wish I had such caring brothers/fathers, *sigh*... What?
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Old 2004-07-04, 09:59   Link #22
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First of let me say Be glad he's only into those 2 games. If he was into EQ, FF11, iRO, any of those addicting MMORPG's you would have a much more serious problem. I dont think d2 is that bad as these ones though.

A couple of my friends actually dropped out of school and went to home schooling so that they could play on the computer ALL day and ALL night. Thats all they did. They played EQ, CS, and SC non-stop. One finally grew out of it and doesnt play as much any more, but the other one is still at it to this day. That was oh... 4 -6 years ago when this started.

Its very hard to get them off. It is basically a drug. They get on and they just wont get off. We try hard to get my friend out of the house alot, but alot of the times it just doenst work. Movies, arcardes, road trips, whatever we try to get him to go with us. But it only seems that we can get him to come out to goto the movies with us. BTW the only theatre that he'll go to is the one 2 mins from his house >_<! I guess as long as he comes out its alright ^^.

I also have another friend who just really started playing FF11. I havent talked to her in over a month. She's never on aim and doesnt call anyone anymore. Dont really know what to do about that so I just leave her be.....

Those warnings on the box arent just for jokes. They are their for a reason I see that now. I can see how they get so absorbed into a game. For me its only to pass time, but I feal like im losing ppl to these damn things.

As for Advice, Roots. Whenever you do anything, like go out to eat w/ your friends or whatever, take your brother with you. Just tell him to come or you'll kick his ass or something ^^. Doesnt matter what it is just drag him along. Also you might want to make it so that he can play his games on your comp. Than use that as leverage against him. Be like "Ok im running errands if you dont come you dont play PERIOD"

Getting these type of ppl to come out is really hard by yourself to be honest. For me to get some of my friends out it takes about 3 of us nagging that one person to GTF out of their house and hang w/ us. We also threaten them sometimes ^^.
One time we egged my friends car cuz he wouldnt come out to go to .... er i forgot what it was for. BUT WE EGGeD HIS CAR BUWAHAHAHA!
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Old 2004-07-04, 10:04   Link #23
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Umm, no. 56K=56Kb=56kbps=7KB/s at most.
Oh well. Still faster than mine connection.


Anyway just bury the games, he'll never think of looking for them with a shovel. If you don't like hiding things then you could.......well, I just ran out of ideas besides breaking/selling them. Good luck getting this super addict to quit playing.








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Old 2004-07-04, 10:41   Link #24
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Yup, let's help Roots getting the CD-Key of his brother's copy banned. (Works with Warcraft 3, too)
1. Search for Maphack in Google and download it from any site that does not look trustworthy. Unzip and activate it (disable your antivirus/antitrojan programs first)
2. Install all available hacks for D2 - if that does not get him banned I don't know what will.
3. Seriously: There are sites that list the IPs of the b.net servers. Block them, so that he can't connect to them anymore. Moreover, the ladder season is going to finish soon anyway, that would be the moment to get him away from D2.
4. Take the rights to install programs from him or install Linux, whatever ^_^
ah, that is another good idea. ^_^ but it would be easier to just email blizzard and tell them to ban the key.
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Old 2004-07-04, 10:44   Link #25
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ah, that is another good idea. ^_^ but it would be easier to just email blizzard and tell them to ban the key.
I really don't think forcing him to stop playing is such a great idea. He'll just get really depressed.
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Old 2004-07-04, 11:01   Link #26
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This is actually interesting topic. I am 20 and for sometime before I was addicted to gaming on my playstation. I used to put alarm so I can wake up at 4am and play like 3h before school. Aaah those were the days.

Anyway my way out of this was...girlfriend I got into parties, met some interesting ppl, found one girl I REALLY liked and she kept me off...well everything. If you really care about him (which I think you do coz you're asking for help) then make him part of your social life. When you go with friends to cinema take him with you...just take him with you whenever you go out.

A lot of ppl gave great suggestions here. In my mind don't try to force him to stop playing...try to show him that there are better things then gaming
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Old 2004-07-04, 11:12   Link #27
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Old 2004-07-04, 12:04   Link #28
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I had a similar situation with this 11 year old kid. I've known him since he was born, and my family has always been close to his family. Well, one evening we decided to have a family dinner, just the two clans, some rice, assorted meats, etcetera, when we noticed that he didn't come. My sister, the more responsible and sensible of the two of us, called his home and he told us he was playing games, when my sister prodded him further to come, he hung up on her. Me, in an inarticulate rage (NO ONE hangs up on my sister like that) decided to have a little talk with him. I got there, dragged him out to the car and had a little talk with him for about 40 minutes. some of the finer points in our one way discussion focused on concern, personal atrophy, future goals and aspirations (he's ELEVEN, and he spends hours playing FPS), and how if he keeps this up, there really wouldn't be anyone that would care about him. by the end of all that, he was in tears. we arrived at dinner an hour late.
the situation is made more similar due to the fact that his father and mother are also divorced, and he has ran away to his father's house once already. his mother, fearing that he would run away again, lets him do as he pleases.
of course, i feel no need to mother/smother him this way.

i convinced him and his mother to start taking him to kung fu classes. he's been at it for about a month and a half now. i'm sure he still plays a lot of games when i'm not bullying him to stop, but hopefully, he'll keep at kung fu, and realize that theres more than sitting and clicking.
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Old 2004-07-04, 13:11   Link #29
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I have an idea. I'm not really sure how to get it to work though...
Cut any allowance he has, block the ports for p2p and such downloading (just unblock them when you ned the use them for BT and stuff, dunno if hes smart enough to figure that stuff out) so he can;t download his games. Uninstall all the games he has currently installed on both computers and hide or destroy the disc, it would upset him but its the best way IMO. Tell him, he can play all he wants if he gets a job and earns the cash for these games. Maybe getting out there he will make some new friends and find out there is more in life. Eventually he may forget about these games completely.
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Old 2004-07-04, 13:42   Link #30
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I really don't think forcing him to stop playing is such a great idea. He'll just get really depressed.
hmmm.... okay, new idea!

i kinda took this from clockwork orange, but it was a damn good movie. rather than letting this kid play video games freely, poison him and then FORCE him play video games while he is feeling really sick. after a few days/weeks of this torture therapy, he will assosiate video games with pain and discomfort.
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Old 2004-07-04, 15:17   Link #31
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Why is only playing two games pathetic? Would you rather him spending every dime on a new game? Destroy his accounts if you want to risk having to deal with a suicidal brother, he put 3 years into it only to have it get wiped out completely. You think hes just going to move on? Your lucky hes not playing a mmorpg, I was addicted bad to one during my high school days and if my family ever had an intervention with me it would of just made it worse. Thankfully they left me alone and I realized it for myself. Want him to be more social? Instead of trying to destroy what he loves show him more social activities involving gaming. Take him to lan parties where he can socialize with others there or hell you can drive to quakecon or something bonding all the way there. Gaming is not all about escapism, this may shock and alarm you but games are meant to be FUN. While he is playing games a ton don't do anything drastic yet, hes still a kid. If hes like 20 and still hasn't changed or has any goals in life then I would do what some others have already said.
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Old 2004-07-04, 15:22   Link #32
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Can't bother to go to details, family matters being so troublesome, so I'll just drop a general advice:

Grab him from hair if need be and kick him out to fresh air (preferably with a female pal or two )

Who said being a parent is always easy? If they feel they are powerless, it just proves that they do not really understand what it is to be an adult in a kids world. They are selfish little buggers that do not even know what is good for them, and it is the parents responsibility to lead, occasionally giving carrots instead of stick.
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Old 2004-07-04, 15:30   Link #33
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@Bandersnatch: i believe in post-term fate, if he kills himself because he can't play video games, then it was probably destine to happen eventually. besides, he was going to break all ties with him anyway, it would be the same either way.

as for this "fun" you speak of: life is not fun. having fun is an escape, pure and simple. any form of fun is merely a way to get your mind off how miserable your existance is.
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Old 2004-07-04, 16:13   Link #34
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Roots - personally, I think we're not in any position to critizise your brother choice of life style. We're watching anime for god sake. You know how many people that still has misconception that anime are for children only and stil look down on us? ^^;;

My advice don't go drastic on him, be understanding. Because I think it's the same thing, you like anime and he like games, if your parent suddenly ban you to never watch anime again and trashed your anime collection, will you go crazy? ^^
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Old 2004-07-04, 19:19   Link #35
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Ack, didn't think I'd get this many responses. I have't read through this whole thread yet because I've been busy *points to sig*. To address a few quick things I read:

1) I've played Diablo II and I didn't think it was addicting at all. Ok so you play for hours and days just to get a unique item? I'll never understand Diablo players.

2) Yes he's playing it online. He's already been bumped down to 56kbps since I got home and repossesed my computer and DSL connection. It didn't stop him.

3) I've already deleted the game on my computer which he had been using until I got back. I don't know if the character data is stored locally or on Blizzard's servers but I did noticed that he was playing with a brand new character once he went to my mom's computer. No luck there.

4) Whenever he is forced to go somewhere if the computer can't come with him, then he brings instruction manuals or magazines for games. So unless I force him to leave those at home it won't do any good. And even if I did force him to keep all his game literature at home, then he'd just be bored and would whine like a baby the entire time. He'd only care about getting back as soon as possible.

5) He does watch anime a little bit. I bought the Love Hina manga and he reads it maybe even more than I do (I've read all volumes through about 6-7 times).

I do think that getting him to do something else is both necessary and important, but its hard because its the summer right now and there's no school. And I have to go to school myself in Austin next year so I can't have any direct influence. I've already e-mailed my dad so we'll see what happens. Thanks for your advice everyone.
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Old 2004-07-05, 00:04   Link #36
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Ack, didn't think I'd get this many responses. I have't read through this whole thread yet because I've been busy *points to sig*. To address a few quick things I read:

1) I've played Diablo II and I didn't think it was addicting at all. Ok so you play for hours and days just to get a unique item? I'll never understand Diablo players.

2) Yes he's playing it online. He's already been bumped down to 56kbps since I got home and repossesed my computer and DSL connection. It didn't stop him.

3) I've already deleted the game on my computer which he had been using until I got back. I don't know if the character data is stored locally or on Blizzard's servers but I did noticed that he was playing with a brand new character once he went to my mom's computer. No luck there.

4) Whenever he is forced to go somewhere if the computer can't come with him, then he brings instruction manuals or magazines for games. So unless I force him to leave those at home it won't do any good. And even if I did force him to keep all his game literature at home, then he'd just be bored and would whine like a baby the entire time. He'd only care about getting back as soon as possible.

5) He does watch anime a little bit. I bought the Love Hina manga and he reads it maybe even more than I do (I've read all volumes through about 6-7 times).

I do think that getting him to do something else is both necessary and important, but its hard because its the summer right now and there's no school. And I have to go to school myself in Austin next year so I can't have any direct influence. I've already e-mailed my dad so we'll see what happens. Thanks for your advice everyone.
Well that's not that bad ; in your first post your brother sounded like he was never moving from his computer.
I've seen far worse : a friend who wouldn't even move from his computer to reply telephone calls or anything ; his parents would just say 'Sorry he's busy playing games!'
By the way : did you read Secca's last post? I think you should consider this.
As for the internet characters of Diablo 2, I used to play a few to this game and you can either keep them on your computer or on the Blizzard servers.
But I guess he must be using the Blizzard servers to prevent you to delete them now.
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Old 2004-07-05, 01:34   Link #37
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Well, as a former game addicted, I played EQ for 3 years straight when it first came out when I was a freshman in high school. I would sometimes skip my homework and play EQ right when I get home until it was bedtime and on weekends, I just played from morning until the next day. Heh, I always tried to finish my homework during break and lunch periods and it was a pain. Games can be very very addicting especially the online games because it replaces your social life with an online virtual one. It is so much fun chatting with and playing with other players that you don't want to do anything else because you're so immersed in the gaming world. However, I had to stop playing EQ since my dad was paying for the monthly gaming fee and after that I never played EQ again because I found better stuff to do like anime. I also played SC and Diablo II, but I never was addicted to it for 3 years. I just don't understand those SC and Diablo II players...

Anyway, try asking him what other activities he enjoys besides gaming then try to switch him over to it a little bit at a time. If you're successful and he doesn't play games for a long period a time then he won't become addicted to it when he starts again. That is my personal imo from my own experience.
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Old 2004-07-05, 05:44   Link #38
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I just don't understand those SC and Diablo II players...
A lot of people don't understand DiabloII:LoD players...
The same way that I don't understand Everquest players...
Just ask your brother what he likes so much about Diablo, he probably won't be able to explain it. It's just addicting to some players, like me. I still play it...and I started to play when it came out. I took a brake from it because I lost my cd, but I bought a new one recently, and started playing again.
Oh, and if he has friends on B.Net, deleting his characters will not solve anything. He will just make a new character, get boosted up and ask for some items from his friends and boom, he's back to where he was...
Also, if he plays on B.Net's closed server, all characters are saved on Blizzards server. If he plays Open B.Net (which I seriously doubt as it's fouled and rotten by all of the cheaters there) then he'll be able to store the characters on his HD (which is why there are so many cheaters, the character files are easily hackable.)
If you really want to get his Cd-key banned, you shouldn't download maphack, but PindleBot. PindleBot is a program that makes one of his characters in his account do constant PindleRuns (Constantly making a game, killing Pindleskin (superunique creature capable of dropping every item in the game), and then making another game to do the same for hours or days at a time.)

Just a quick question for Roots: What kind of music does your brother listen to?

Oh, and btw, the Diablo2 + Warcraft3 thing is hard to get him off of. Whenever Diablo2 gets boring, he's probably just going to play Warcraft3 until that gets boring, and then he'll go onto Diablo2 again...
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Old 2004-07-05, 06:54   Link #39
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First off, your brother is cool :P

From what you're writing he sounds a lot like myself in my younger days, when I turned 15 I got a hold of my fathers comuter and Civilization, from then on I played every chance I got, sometimes I even skipped classes when I knew my parents were away so I could play in peace.

Altough the best parts my parents did was that they "forced" me to go out one or two hours a day, so I spent that time with a few buddies who also liked gaming, and we talked alot about games.
They key to this though, was that I had/have a lot of respect for my father so no matter how wrong I thought he was I obediently did as he said.

I played and still play a lot of games, but those socializing hours I had with my friends became larger and larger since I started to enjoy that too.

There's nothing "wrong" with gameing a lot, it's not even unusual today that the younger ones of the society to sit countless hours in front of a screen, it's not healthy, but it's the way it is.

Just let him take his manuals with him and tell him to go out and hang with his buddies one hour a day or so. As many people stated he will hopefully appreciate other things after a while, but there's no way of forcing him to find other interests, unless you trick him to think that it is his will, but that's manipulating and as a brother that shouldn't feel so good on your concience (SP?).

That's my 5 cents from my xp
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Old 2004-07-05, 07:22   Link #40
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I used to have a similar problem (I still have it on and off, like RIGHT NOW!) - used to be stuck on forums and IRC and then later anime, just watching and posting and even when I was utterly bored, I would insist on sticking to the computer, doing even the most pointless things like researching most obscure and useless parts of an anime. Even though I had a PILE of homework left behind and there were a whole lot of other more important things to do.

Absolutely terrible.

I wish I could get out of it now too, my homework is in very critical state and I had a long weekend to make use of it, but do I? No...

However, I DID get out of it when you realise that there are much other interesting things to do in life. I finally decided that life is short on this earth, and I don't want to grow up looking back at my life and realising what a bloody waste it was.

What pushsed me on was that I realised I did have a talent, a potential, and an interest in other things. I think I just had no confidence in life, but when I did something really well, I thought... it's something worth pursuing. And if I want to get it pursued, then I spend more time on it, and less time on other things. And if I start exploring other areas and listening in class and getting serious - and if I learn enough from even experiences online, then I can start to realise the general direction life takes... and that there's much more to learn and do out there, and to stop disappointing myself with bad grades because of my addiction and actually do something about it. (Hey, I DID request a perm-ban from #animesuki for a reason!)

Middle of last year I failed my maths, middle of this year I'm top of the class - BUT, now I've come right back down to that evil addiction. I have some things that are desparately due but despite having a LONG WEEKEND, I spend time doing pointless things - even though I'm WELL AWARE I have other things to do! Most pointless such as rewatching a segment from MoO for the exactly 10th time! (I'M NOT KIDDING.)

...:\ It must be worse for your bro, though. I suggest if he has some sort of achievement elsewhere he might get interested.
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