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Old 2004-02-22, 21:08   Link #121
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Since we're on the subject, here's a post i made on another thread on what i think about the ending :

<<Alright, finished the last episode this morning and there's this part that puzzles me to no end: After the ending credits rolled, we're shown a scene whereby Henrietta strolled after Jose in a morning walk. Pardon me but isn't that the very first scene back in episode 1, the one afterwhich Henrietta went berserk and got her right shoulder injured in that operation?

My theory is this: the main part of Episode 1 and 2 (save for those parts that explained how Henrietta first got 'recruited' into Section 2) actually takes place AFTER Episode 3-13 :P!! Hmm, sounds a bit far-fletched, so here's my reasons to support this theory :

1) The key reason which forms the basis for this theory, lies on the fact that Getais start losing ther memories after severe 'wear-and-tear', especially when they are approaching the end of their 'shelf-life' Take a look back at epi2, when Henrietta asked Jose why she was invited to the star-gazing session when she never seen stars before. Jose was at lost for words for a while before managing a weak answer. Now if you would apply my theory, Jose had every reason to be stunned coz they just had a star-gazing session not too long ago (ie at the end of epi13)...

2) Again in epi2: When Jose passed Henrietta her red coat after asking her to the rooftop, she took a really long look at the coat before wearing it. Maybe it's just me but it seems to suggest that she finds the coat familiar, but just cant remember where she saw it before. And applying my theory again, it would be possible that she simply lost the memory of her being the owner of the coat, but finds it familiar coz she's been wearing it right from epi3-13!

Alrite, enuff of my rubbish. Do take note that I've NOT read the original manga works before, so the above is purely just my conjecture >>

Kekeke... On another note, it would really be nice if they do decide on a Season 2... I mean, there's so many questions left unanswered at the end of the series!! E.g. More details on Triela's past, the 'brotherly' relationship between Jan and Jose...

Even if there is no sequel, this had been a great time. GSG has been a great series, no doubt about it
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Old 2004-02-22, 22:46   Link #122
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She never said what happened to her before she join Section 2 or forgotten (ie: brainwashed) all about it. She has no family or any home prior to the Armsterdam, I can safely speculate that she is sold into the child sex industry there. I am sure she is more than willing to join another life in Section 2.

The fact she almost or did end up in padeophile film is bad enough for severe mental trauma trigger. What makes you think that she did not have much mental trauma being gangpressed into a child porno flick?
I think in one episodes she said she remembers her past, at least she know she was kidnapped and sold to Armsterdam. It's quite different from Henrietta who got her memories wiped. That why I think she didn't have much mental trauma as if that's the case she will surely have a memory wipe.

About the timeline... I'm also quite confused. and I heard even reading the manga would not help much since the anime has modified many things in the manga, many even the timeline...
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Old 2004-02-22, 23:38   Link #123
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The manga storytelling is fractured, which the anime tried to address.
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Old 2004-02-23, 01:57   Link #124
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Great serie, but I think is too short. At least they should explain more about section 2 and the five republics. Anyway if they were gonna make 2nd season what do you think will happen, or what would you want to see and not want to see?

Possible scenerios

1. The artemis story, Heni shot jose by accident or something and she goes berserk (eva style) and rico has to put her down....nasty

2. Triela reaching puberty and starting to grow, thus giving problem to her carbon frame...need some growth suppressin quick

3. With all the books she is secretly reading, Claes find a way to escape the control of conditioning. She tries to help all the girls to escape but rico has other idea... (I never really trust Rico cuz she mess up...)

4. Section 1 attack section 2 End of Eva style....not likely to happen though heheh

5. More fight between the five republic and section 2.

6. Section 2 fighting Al Queda j/k

7. Someone sacrefied his or herself so that the other can live/escape...candidate would be triela dying in gory, or henrietta protecting jose (I don't really want to see this episode...)

8. Newer version of cyborgs are available (Petra maybe), so the brass want to "retire" the older version (to extract the carbon frame maybe?), Jose found out and well you fill in the rest.

9. Or something completely different....

Thing I want to see.

1.Gunslinger Girls paint ball match with Petra (new cyborg) pwning everybody hehe...go for the eyes boo, go for the eyes
2. Ange lives!!!!
3. Gay (happy) ending, call me a sucker for this but don't you want to see them happy?
4. HOT SPRING EPISODE j/k
5. BEACH EPISODE.....
6. Bonta Kun
7. See triela collect all 62 bears after agustus
8. A way to extent the cyborg life
9. Cyborg fight, I know is cruel but human opponent are just cannon fodded heheh, Don't think it will happen though, unless the girl fight amoung themselves or the republic has the own cyborg lol stolen from Russion Lab heheh


Thing I don't want to see...
1.Henrietta remember what happen the night she was [censor] and [censor].
Although it might be interesting to see her gone berserk on her family killer/killers who happen to be someone important for section 2 and she disobey Jose instruction.....naw I still don't want here to remember anything that night
2.Panty shots, becuase the show is popular...you know those f-up execs
3.shojo ai or that Clamp picked up the series
4.Gunslinger girl fumoffu!!! I can see the surprise of people when they watch the first season after watching the "second" season hahahhaha
Teacher: let me introduce to you this new exchange student from Italy, Henrietta, and her gardian Jose san. Say hello to Henrietta class.
Some dumb kid proceeds to throw an eraser at Jose....
Henrietta:IS P-90 TIME!!!

5. Godzilla attacks Italy
6. Angels attack Italy
7. Dolems attack Italy
8. yaoi
9. Terminator attack section 2
10. More A-holes like Jean, I think I'll break some TV screen
11. Open ending, unless the second season is just as godly as the first and there is gonna be a third season
12. then again I don't want ever here Henrietta say:"behold my true power!!Holy Roman Catholic Church Crisis Make Up!!!" as she proceed to fight an Alien Space God Giant Robot enemy from a future Earth Colony in space during the 22nd season 10 years from now. And that every third female character in Diablo 13 will be name Harrieda or herryedder or henrietta256 or Pwnzor...

Anyway what do you guys think?

Also I have seen some of the game graphic and I was not too impress . The game appear to be MGS like and feature 3d or 1st person shooting. There is a few shots of the Italy locales, and a few screen shots of our belove Henrietta holding a pistal (howcome no p-90?). Not sure if it is any good or just a hack job but since it is a bandai game.....shudder...
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Old 2004-02-23, 02:29   Link #125
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If it was popular enough and if the tankoubons progresses to allow more anime stories to be produced, then yes - a possible second season.
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Old 2004-02-23, 02:44   Link #126
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Wow I couldn't believe that a mediocre series like jubei chan has a second series!!! That really give me hopes that this show will have a 2nd series. Though I fear that it will be a hack job and the producer knows it and start puting fan service after fan service and started to forget that the girls aren't suppose to grow boobs....
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Old 2004-02-23, 02:57   Link #127
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Hm...I'm thinking about merging this thread with this thread Gunslinger Girl Discussion. What do you folks think.
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Old 2004-02-23, 02:58   Link #128
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Wow I couldn't believe that a mediocre series like jubei chan has a second series!!! That really give me hopes that this show will have a 2nd series. Though I fear that it will be a hack job and the producer knows it and start puting fan service after fan service and started to forget that the girls aren't suppose to grow boobs....
I wouldn't worry about that. Mr. Hamano of FujiTV is a well respected producer who only does "serious" shows.

And the director, Mr. Asaka Morio is a well-known director who knows how to portray children intertwined with love/action stories. He is after all, the person who directed the Cardcaptor Sakura Movies.

And to further save your anxiety, the anime is done by MADHOUSE - a very respected high-quality anime company that does not need "fanservice" to grab attention.

The only attention that may stem is that this manga is serialized on a very moe~ centered magazine called "Monthly Dengeki Daioh." But I wouldn't worry as the manga artist, Mr. Aida Yu (though he did character designs for "BITTERSWEET FOOLS") is a well known doujin illustrator who did very intriguing illustration books in portraying cute girls in serious situations.

Hence, I would not worry about the second series degrading to your levels of anxieties.
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Old 2004-02-23, 03:04   Link #129
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[QUOTE=USCPharmacist]

4.Gunslinger girl fumoffu!!! I can see the surprise of people when they watch the first season after watching the "second" season hahahhaha
Teacher: let me introduce to you this new exchange student from Italy, Henrietta, and her gardian Jose san. Say hello to Henrietta class.
Some dumb kid proceeds to throw an eraser at Jose....
Henrietta:IS P-90 TIME!!!

QUOTE]


I loved FMPF, but i think I'll freak out if they gave the same treatment to GSG Season2 :P!! Way weird, i guess.... But your post sure was funny !
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Old 2004-02-23, 03:29   Link #130
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The only thing I'm wondering is: What was Jose up to? Something must be up.


Big long rant of me trying to come to terms with the show:

Considering the amazing medical and technilogical abilities of the corporation I'd find it hard to believe that they couldn't find a way to keep the girls from dying so unnaturally young. Possibly a complete elimination of all side effects (like the memory loss) all together. I'm sure it all isn't very cheap, and for the girls to only be usable for a few years seems a bit of a waste, at least that is a way Section One could spin it. The future of Section 2 depends on the girls, and they don't seem to have a very consistent flow of "new recruites".

Evenso, what would happen if the girls were allowed to grow up? Would they keep fighting terrorists forever? Take up positions within the department? Turn on them? Perhaps it's more convenient for Section 2 to have them expire once they become less useful, but many people there seem to have an acutal conscience, so if they could save the girls, I think they would.

I mean, the manga is still going on, right? Will it just go on until the girls slowly die one by one? Or end at some fitting moment, leaving you with a feeling like the end of the series (aw, how bittersweet, nice to see the girls happy, too bad they will ALL BE DEAD IN A COUPLE YEARS). In that case the story is basically about a group giving little girls on the verge of death a few more years to live in exchange for their soul (ideally), but the girls's humanity struggles through, making it all the more tragic when they do die.

/sigh, guess I'm just looking for my happy ending. I mean, it has to have some sort of redeeming quality in the end... It just kinda feels that the story, in its structure and nothing being resolved at the end, kinda equates to say any other episodic show, like say Rugrats or the Simpsons. And while many episodic series can be done well and good (or be dragged way past its due date, being squeezed for every penny it's worth by producers), I prefer more concise, smaller, series that revolve around a specific story (like Last Exile), shows that start with a story and see it to the end in a mostly direct maner.

Is there a point to it all?! Besides that people's humanity can survive the most adverse conditions, and that we should all be grateful we arn't those girls.
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Old 2004-02-23, 04:51   Link #131
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Hm...I'm thinking about merging this thread with this thread Gunslinger Girl Discussion. What do you folks think.
The other thread is huge. I think just to have a smaller thread solely focused on the ending is good, without the whole archive of all other stuff that is, well, big and cluttered up..

Also, people who haven't finished watching teh whole series would read that thing and we'd have to put spoiler tags, but here we don't have to.

Two GSG threads does not really hurt for now... it'll die down in the end and I think nobody will have to worry. The other thread really IS huge enough... but bah... whatever.
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Old 2004-02-23, 05:06   Link #132
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The only thing I'm wondering is: What was Jose up to? Something must be up.


Big long rant of me trying to come to terms with the show:

Considering the amazing medical and technilogical abilities of the corporation I'd find it hard to believe that they couldn't find a way to keep the girls from dying so unnaturally young. Possibly a complete elimination of all side effects (like the memory loss) all together. I'm sure it all isn't very cheap, and for the girls to only be usable for a few years seems a bit of a waste, at least that is a way Section One could spin it. The future of Section 2 depends on the girls, and they don't seem to have a very consistent flow of "new recruites".

Evenso, what would happen if the girls were allowed to grow up? Would they keep fighting terrorists forever? Take up positions within the department? Turn on them? Perhaps it's more convenient for Section 2 to have them expire once they become less useful, but many people there seem to have an acutal conscience, so if they could save the girls, I think they would.

I mean, the manga is still going on, right? Will it just go on until the girls slowly die one by one? Or end at some fitting moment, leaving you with a feeling like the end of the series (aw, how bittersweet, nice to see the girls happy, too bad they will ALL BE DEAD IN A COUPLE YEARS). In that case the story is basically about a group giving little girls on the verge of death a few more years to live in exchange for their soul (ideally), but the girls's humanity struggles through, making it all the more tragic when they do die.

/sigh, guess I'm just looking for my happy ending. I mean, it has to have some sort of redeeming quality in the end... It just kinda feels that the story, in its structure and nothing being resolved at the end, kinda equates to say any other episodic show, like say Rugrats or the Simpsons. And while many episodic series can be done well and good (or be dragged way past its due date, being squeezed for every penny it's worth by producers), I prefer more concise, smaller, series that revolve around a specific story (like Last Exile), shows that start with a story and see it to the end in a mostly direct maner.

Is there a point to it all?! Besides that people's humanity can survive the most adverse conditions, and that we should all be grateful we arn't those girls.
You think too much and I also suspected you are too used to happy endings.
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Old 2004-02-23, 11:44   Link #133
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arghh...

i like this serie, hope it will have 2nd season which more into plot developing.

the last episode spoiled my Henrietta..... she emotion towards Jose is too annoying, than Elsa

Angelica died? still can't believe it
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Old 2004-02-23, 13:00   Link #134
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hey, the sequel to Gunslinger Girl is called Ghost in the Shell... j/k

about the ending, I think this is very natural one, thus a very good one. I don't think series like Gunslinger Girl goes well with some unnatural "save the world", "fight for freedom" etc. etc. endings. It's just like real world, you don't get to eliminate your opposition completely or solve every problem in the world with a handful super agents, besides the Republican problem has some very deep political and social roots it's not like you can just go out and kill some "big evil heads" and everything okay.

One thing I want to see if there's a second season is that they should put more emphasis on the background of some instructors, like Jan and Jose, and those other workers in Section 2.
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One thing I want to see if there's a second season is that they should put more emphasis on the background of some instructors, like Jan and Jose, and those other workers in Section 2.
But then it would have to be called Gunslinger Boy, and that's just not as appealing. ;)
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Old 2004-02-24, 02:18   Link #136
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I remember somewhere in the other GSG thread there is a picture of Gunslinger Girl Daioh hheehhe. I really like those 4 frames comic that make fun of serious show, like those EVA 4 frames, they were classic man. Anyway I wonder if any one know if that picture is the cover of the real thing or just a fake picture?

[Conditioning]
One day Henrietta and Jose were walking home they passed by an expensive clothing shop.
Henrietta:"Ooo I like that red dress."
Jose:"Now, look Heni we are on a budget this mouth after you bought all those camera films with my credit card..."
Henrietta then whipped out her gun and pointed it at her eye and whisper softly:"I wonder what Elsa saw before she shot herself."
Jose:"............................ er.. want to see if they have your size."

The next day the fratello were walking home again and they passed by an expensive shoe store.
Henrietta:"Those red shoes will fit my dress."
Jose:"Ok, no more, I am already eating cup of noodle everyday....so...er.."
Henrietta then sat on the ground and withdraw herself into a ball looking really sad and whisper the following:"I wonder what it is like to be growing up, falling in love, marrying that person, buy a house and have a family....but that's not meant to be for me. I just hope that the lead doesnt hurt too much when my time comes...."
Jose:"OK ONE PAIR, ONE PAIR YOU HEAR!!"
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You think too much and I also suspected you are too used to happy endings.
think to much...

thanks for the constructive input!

but naw, I'd think I'm more used to sadder endings, tho I like happy endings. Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion... do I really need to go down a list? What I am used to, though, is some sort of resolution, and it doesn't even have to much of a resolution, it just has to give off that feeling to some minimal but existing degree. Like the ending of Deep Space Nine, it created a bunch of loose threads just in the very last episode, but I still felt a great deal of resolution.
I think it's because the characters went through a whole developement thing and did resolve whatever dilema they were facing throughout the show, and so, while it wasn't the ending of their story, it was the end of that particular chapter.

Off hand, I can't think of any show that didn't leave things feeling resolved at least to some point, except for the many soap opera series that go on and on...
I much more enjoy a complete storyline, like, say, Evangelion, more than an episodic series like, say, Seinfield. Is Gunslinger Girl just Seinfield with little girls and guns?

OKAY I GOT IT. I don't know if anyone saw this eposide of Star Trek: Voyager here, or ever even watched the series in the first place, but in one episode the story was about the ship, but it was actually some sort of copy of the ship, created by this sentient metalic liquid type being... god I'm describing this terribly.
Anyway, in the end, everyone dies and no one ever knew about them. But still, even THAT had resolution. The stuff didn't go down without a fight, they were full of emotion, it was tragic.

The thing that is ruffling my feathers so much is that the girls just accept their doom, and a story needs conflict. Now in several parts you had the beginnings of this conflict, that is, the identification of it. Henrietta struggling with the idea of just being an ordinary girl, their willingness to die (they don't want to die, but since death doesn't seem to be breathing down their necks they arn't doing anything to stop it), the brothers unhappiness with the whole situation...
I hope the manga continues to build upon this and doesn't just end on the same note as the series.

Edit: eheh, sorry, got rid of the meteor blowing up earth example~ that Voyager ep really covers that. Such a good episode

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Old 2004-02-24, 03:38   Link #138
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kaboom! and the age of Cockroaches begin!!!
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Old 2004-02-24, 06:58   Link #139
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But things ARE resolved. Just that they're less tangable, more psychological things. The show is about the girls struggles as "artificial" to retain their "realness" (ok, bad explanation). But as I said before - the joy they express over the simple event of a meteor shower, and the fact that we see them genuinely and expressively happy for the first time. THis is a resolution. We see they are finally able to be little girls, even if only for a moment. THey are gaining understanding from their controllers as something more than tools. A lot is going on, its just presented in a way that makes it so you really have to think about the series as a whole to see it. THats what makes it good, the fact that the story is left for the audience to conclude in their minds according to how they saw the anime. There is no "oh, I didn't think it should end that way - thats so out of character" because the end is as much determined by the viewers understanding as it is by the script. This is why it works. They play with our emotions verry well.
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the way how they are happy is really... sad... like Henrietta losing her sense of taste... but they can still make fun of the matter and be happy... how the happiness and sadness in this show are weaved together is why I love the feel I guess...
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