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Uzumaki_kitsune · 2004-07-25, 06:32

i was wondering wich do you think is more powerful the kyuubi chakra or the lv. 2 curse seal cus lets see the kyuubi chakra gives faster regenerative healing more chakra claws and fangs and a psychotic tendency on the other hand the curse seal has more chakra and usually some other bloodline ability sasuke's the sharingan kimimaro's the bone thing and the rest of the sound team.

tell me if i missed anything

_Riku_ · 2004-07-25, 06:54

eh first of all....add a spoilertag

second...Kyuubi is the greatest demon in the japanese mythologi and...the akatsuki aint after the cursed seal..they are after kyubi....

this is a stupid topic..... Kyubi owns cursed seal

Uzumaki_kitsune · 2004-07-25, 07:01

nice meeting you too, glad you put out your point of veiw

anyway im new and i dont really know how to

Uzumaki_kitsune · 2004-07-25, 07:03

did i even metion the akatsuki?

Uzumaki_kitsune · 2004-07-25, 07:06

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Originally Posted by _Riku_

eh first of all....add a spoilertag

second...Kyuubi is the greatest demon in the japanese mythologi and...the akatsuki aint after the cursed seal..they are after kyubi....

this is a stupid topic..... Kyubi owns cursed seal

besides the cursed seal holds kyuubi in naruto anyway jeez "so violent" "i blame the schools"

_Riku_ · 2004-07-25, 07:08

noo...but they want kyubi because it is like 10000000000000 stronger than cursed seal lvl 2

and for the spoiler

[ spoiler ] the text [/ spoiler ] without the space between [spoiler] and in the end

Uzumaki_kitsune · 2004-07-25, 07:11

thanks oh and ya sounded.. well read kinda angry in your statement but still what about the sharingan and the other bloodline abilities?

Chosen · 2004-07-25, 08:58

What he is trying to say is that the reason Akatsuki is after the Kyuubi is because it got unlimited chakra, and if the 2nd level of the cursed seal is even near Kyuubis power, why should they bother trying to get Kyuubi when they just can get Orochimaru to bite them. ?

_Sin_ · 2004-07-25, 09:18

I'll just add my opinion before this thread goes out of control:

I beg to differ between Kyuubi's chakra and the chakra Naruto may use when tapping into Kyubi's chakra:

Obviously, Curse Level 2 vs Kyuubi's chakra is a definite win for Kyuubi.
But we do not know how much of that chakra Naruto can utilize (it is not unlimited, i.e. see the Gaara vs. Naruto fight). Let's use (THOUGHt OUT) numbers to make it easier to comprehend:

Naruto's Chakra= 1000 Chakra Points (CP) out of 2000 available and Kyuubi Chakra= 3000 CP out of <insert high number here>
Makes a total of 4000 CP for Naruto

Sasuke's Chakra without any curse seal = 500 out of 3000*, effectivity of 16% his maximum chakra. The curse seal allows him to draw 100% of his available chakra making 3000 CP for Sasuke with CS lvl 2.

Sasuke's CP vs Naruto's CP = 3000 vs 4000.

* I'm saying it like this since the Curse Seal does not provide chakra from an outside source but it draws it from within Sasuke.

Q: "But _Sin_, where did you get these numbers? You are a Naruto/Sasuke fanboy, so drop dead!"
A: I invented them; that means I do know that they are accurate. We cannot compare chakra yet since we do not have any measuring sticks to say Sasuke has X amount of CP and Naruto has Y amount of CP. The only thing we know is that Naruto has more chakra than Sasuke without the Curse Seal and that's it. The numbers are only there to visualize my point not to answer the question since that is virtually impossible.

uchiha masahiro · 2004-07-25, 09:36

kyuubi vscursed seal lvl 2?

F!reStr!fe · 2004-07-25, 11:42

actually its possibly unlimited its just how much Kyubbi is willing to give to Naruto also

**Hunter** · 2004-07-25, 11:43

In term of amount of chakra, it's an obvious win for the Kyubi.

But that's not really what matters, the Kyubi give to Naruto more chakra than Sasuke will ever have.
More chakra than all the jounins will ever have in fact.
When Naruto fought Neji, he had more chakra than the time where he had summoned Gamabunta and there is only few people in all the world who have enough chakra for that.

But Naruto uses his power like a bull, he just ran on Neji surrounded with the Kyubi's chakra, he did the same thing with Gaara, and with pretty much all his opponent when he's in this state.

Neji had much much less chakra than Naruto in Kyubi's state but he used it to the perfection.

It's the same for Sasuke, though he has and will have less chakra, he will make a better use of it.

Ke0 · 2004-07-25, 12:57

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Originally Posted by _Riku_

eh first of all....add a spoilertag

second...Kyuubi is the greatest demon in the japanese mythology

Bleh he's the greatest in Naruto, but in actual Japanese mythology...........he's not, also in Japanese mythology, he isn't a demon, he's a youma, which is like a ghost or apparition, there are several different kinds of Fox youmas, some helped humans, others were not so helpful

ShadowClone · 2004-07-26, 00:59

Kyubi's chakra is definitely greater than any Curse Seal Level 2 chakra, and as mentioned before, Kyubi's chakra is virtually limitless. The "points" thing doesn't really make sense to me, since Naruto can draw Chakra from Kyubi at will. It's just that Naruto's body is NOT YET STRONG ENOUGH to contain that much chakra from the Kyubi. You'd also have to consider the CHAKRA CONTROL/EFFICIENCY of Naruto and Sasuke.

Perhaps an analogy is in order...

Lets' say Naruto and Sasuke's can release enough chakra on their own to "fill up" 1 gallon containers. Since Curse Seal Level 2 draws chakra from within the body, let's say Sasuke's chakra potential is equivalent to a 1,000 gallon water tank. Naruto's potential (due to the Kyubi), is the PACIFIC OCEAN.

Furthermore, lets' say that when Naruto draws from Kyubi chakra, he can release chakra to fill up 1,000 gallons. Similarly for Sasuke, CSL2 will give him the remaining "1,000 gallons" of chakra he has inside him. So theoretically, they have the "same" amount of chakra....BUT... in Naruto's case, that "1,000 gallon" chakra container has a hole the size of a BASKETBALL, and chakra is leaking out of it rapidly...meanwhile, Sasuke's container has a hole the size of a MARBLE, so the "leak" is not that fast. This shows that Sasuke can CONTROL that much chakra better...

However, once Sasuke's CSL2 chakra is used up, he has NOTHING left, i.e. the "1,000 gallon water tank" is EMPTIED...whereas Naruto still has the "PACIFIC OCEAN" of the Kyubi's chakra to draw from.

Thus, the Kyubi vs CSL2 chakra battle all boils down to a battle between STAMINA and CHAKRA CONTROL.

The-Wolf-Of-Mibu · 2004-07-26, 02:10

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Originally Posted by Hunter

In term of amount of chakra, it's an obvious win for the Kyubi.

But that's not really what matters, the Kyubi give to Naruto more chakra than Sasuke will ever have.
More chakra than all the jounins will ever have in fact.
When Naruto fought Neji, he had more chakra than the time where he had summoned Gamabunta and there is only few people in all the world who have enough chakra for that.

But Naruto uses his power like a bull, he just ran on Neji surrounded with the Kyubi's chakra, he did the same thing with Gaara, and with pretty much all his opponent when he's in this state.

Neji had much much less chakra than Naruto in Kyubi's state but he used it to the perfection.

It's the same for Sasuke, though he has and will have less chakra, he will make a better use of it.

Although that is true, the only reason that both of them are able to "use this chakra to perfection" is because of their blood-lines.

Naruto doesnt have a Byakuggan nor a Sharingan to count on. Naruto cannot beat Neji nor sasuke without relying on his Kyuubi chakra. Nor can neji and sasuke ever beat Naruto without activating their sharingan or Byakuggan.

The only time naruto "Wastes chakra" is when he mindlessley uses Kage bunshin over and over. But even then, he always has a hidden plan that is not immidielty apparent. Like when he fought Neji, it looked like he was just wasting chakra on Kage bushins but he was actually 1 step ahead of Neji who himself admitted that.

Other than kage bunshin naruto does not "Waste chakra" he just uses it as efficiently as the others but hell just not run out of it like they do.

Uzumaki_kitsune · 2004-07-26, 02:17

you know just when i was starting to think that there was know intelligent people in this forum i was wrong the wolf of mibu, shadowclone, sin you proved me wrong there are smart people in this place and all of you have come up with these system especially sin, thanks

The-Wolf-Of-Mibu · 2004-07-26, 03:29

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Originally Posted by Uzumaki_kitsune

you know just when i was starting to think that there was know intelligent people in this forum

Kinda funny that you are commenting on peoples intelligence and in the process of doing so you mispell a simple word like "No"

duztin · 2004-07-26, 03:39

yea but if the kyubi dont wanna die its gonna give naruto his chakra like we saw when he was learning the summoning tech and was falling in that gorge.

Uzumaki_kitsune · 2004-07-26, 03:55

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Originally Posted by The-Wolf-Of-Mibu

Kinda funny that you are commenting on peoples intelligence and in the process of doing so you mispell a simple word like "No"

hey everybody makes typos but it takes real stupidity to make theories about parts of the manga you havent even read yet and beleive me ive seen lots of that today for example

originally from the thread: Why the sealing of Kyuubi in Naruto doesn't make sense at this point

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Originally Posted by -=Itachi=-

4th is naruto's father, he was the one who released the fox in the first place. he couldnt control it when he released it so he had to seal it in naruto with a jutsu. (Not the same one the 3rd used against Oro) Everyone thought 4th died in that battle because of that jutsu but that was a lie, because there was no survivors during the battle with the fox, so everyone assumed 4th is dead... even the 3rd. 4th is alive he is the leader of akatsuki, he ordered Itachi to get naruto back because 4th almost have the power to control it now. And naruto's mother is alive aswell... Everyone thought the 4th is a hero, but he was actually the main villan... and he is more powerful than itachi. But weaker than the 3rd during he's early age.

that takes real stupidity to a new low

ShadowClone · 2004-07-26, 07:08

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Originally Posted by The-Wolf-Of-Mibu

Other than kage bunshin naruto does not "Waste chakra" he just uses it as efficiently as the others but hell just not run out of it like they do.

Firstly, what do you mean by "efficiently"? "Efficiently" as in he has good strategies backing up his chakra use in battle or "efficiently" as in "not wasteful"?

If it's the first meaning, then I agree...BUT if it's the second meaning, then I don't think that's the case. I think Ebisu's "comparison" in Episode 52 definitively places Naruto as one of the most INEFFICIENT CHANNELERS and CONTROLLERS of chakra. The "bunshins" were just an example for the comparison. I would think that this applies to ALL his techniques, since if he could "efficiently" (the 2nd meaning) use his chakra, then

Spoiler:

What sets Naruto apart (and Jiraiya confirms this in Episode 54, I think), is that he's a stamina freak. He's got way more stamina (and chakra potential) than probably all the Konoha Genins (and probably even Kakashi, as he (Kakashi) admitted in the Forest of Death). Jiraiya tells Naruto that with such an enormous amount of stamina to draw chakra from, EFFICIENCY (how well you channel/control chakra) is not an issue anymore; it should be POWER, to draw the greatest amount of chakra and use it for a technique (like the Summoning).

Again, back to the "water-analogy", I'll try to explain Ebisu's comparison in Episode 52 like this:

If we compare the "chakra containers" of each member of Team 7, and say the maximum "normal" chakra capacity is "1 gallon", then:

Sakura's "container" has NO HOLES, but is only filled up 1 PINT.

Sasuke's "container" has the hole the size of a marble but is filled up to 1 gallon (remember, this is pre-CSL2 Sasuke), so it's leaking, albeit slowly.

Naruto's "container" is also 1 gallon full, has the hole the size of a large pear ...BUT it's placed under a 1,000 gallon water tank (Kyubi) that's open and is filling up the "container". Of course, with a hole that size the "container" will leak like crazy, but Sasuke and Sakura's "containers" have no "water tank" supporting them, hence once the chakra in their "containers" is gone (i.e. they've used it to do a jutsu, etc), that's it.

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Uzumaki_kitsune Ookamiyasha(wolf demon) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: in this magical land where you can do whatever you want as long as you dont care Age: 26	Curse seal vs. Kyuubi chakra [Manga] i was wondering wich do you think is more powerful the kyuubi chakra or the lv. 2 curse seal cus lets see the kyuubi chakra gives faster regenerative healing more chakra claws and fangs and a psychotic tendency on the other hand the curse seal has more chakra and usually some other bloodline ability sasuke's the sharingan kimimaro's the bone thing and the rest of the sound team. tell me if i missed anything

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Chosen Me > Mods ;) Join Date: Apr 2004	What he is trying to say is that the reason Akatsuki is after the Kyuubi is because it got unlimited chakra, and if the 2nd level of the cursed seal is even near Kyuubis power, why should they bother trying to get Kyuubi when they just can get Orochimaru to bite them. ? __________________ Sig removed by Mod (xris) because at 13 lines of text it exceeds the limits as requested in the forum rules.

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_Sin_ Member of the Year 2004! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: "And if thou doest not well, _Sin_ lieth at the door."- Genesis 4:7 Age: 28	I'll just add my opinion before this thread goes out of control: I beg to differ between Kyuubi's chakra and the chakra Naruto may use when tapping into Kyubi's chakra: Obviously, Curse Level 2 vs Kyuubi's chakra is a definite win for Kyuubi. But we do not know how much of that chakra Naruto can utilize (it is not unlimited, i.e. see the Gaara vs. Naruto fight). Let's use (THOUGHt OUT) numbers to make it easier to comprehend: Naruto's Chakra= 1000 Chakra Points (CP) out of 2000 available and Kyuubi Chakra= 3000 CP out of <insert high number here> Makes a total of 4000 CP for Naruto Sasuke's Chakra without any curse seal = 500 out of 3000, effectivity of 16% his maximum chakra. The curse seal allows him to draw 100% of his available chakra making 3000 CP for Sasuke with CS lvl 2. Sasuke's CP vs Naruto's CP = 3000 vs 4000. I'm saying it like this since the Curse Seal does not provide chakra from an outside source but it draws it from within Sasuke. Q: "But _Sin_, where did you get these numbers? You are a Naruto/Sasuke fanboy, so drop dead!" A: I invented them; that means I do know that they are accurate. We cannot compare chakra yet since we do not have any measuring sticks to say Sasuke has X amount of CP and Naruto has Y amount of CP. The only thing we know is that Naruto has more chakra than Sasuke without the Curse Seal and that's it. The numbers are only there to visualize my point not to answer the question since that is virtually impossible. __________________ There is a little known provision in the Forum Rules that explicitly allows a moderator to remove any signature image that they believe to be inappropriate for any reason. That did not happen in this case because _Sin_ is so boring that he never even had a signature to remove anyway. So why is this text here? To attract attention of course - isn't that what a signature is for? You can still find my Azureus Download Guide here By all means, make sure to read this.

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F!reStr!fe Unlimited Blade Works... Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Florida	actually its possibly unlimited its just how much Kyubbi is willing to give to Naruto also __________________ My Current Animes: Welcome to the NHK, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, Coyote Ragtime Show, Bokura Ga Ita, .hack//roots

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_Riku_ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 23	eh first of all....add a spoilertag second...Kyuubi is the greatest demon in the japanese mythologi and...the akatsuki aint after the cursed seal..they are after kyubi.... this is a stupid topic..... Kyubi owns cursed seal

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Uzumaki_kitsune Ookamiyasha(wolf demon) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: in this magical land where you can do whatever you want as long as you dont care Age: 26	nice meeting you too, glad you put out your point of veiw anyway im new and i dont really know how to

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Uzumaki_kitsune Ookamiyasha(wolf demon) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: in this magical land where you can do whatever you want as long as you dont care Age: 26	did i even metion the akatsuki?

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_Riku_ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 23	noo...but they want kyubi because it is like 10000000000000 stronger than cursed seal lvl 2 and for the spoiler [ spoiler ] the text [/ spoiler ] without the space between [spoiler] and in the end

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Uzumaki_kitsune Ookamiyasha(wolf demon) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: in this magical land where you can do whatever you want as long as you dont care Age: 26	thanks oh and ya sounded.. well read kinda angry in your statement but still what about the sharingan and the other bloodline abilities?

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uchiha masahiro Member Join Date: Jul 2004	kyuubi vscursed seal lvl 2?

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Hunter Bubbly and super fun Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Incognito	In term of amount of chakra, it's an obvious win for the Kyubi. But that's not really what matters, the Kyubi give to Naruto more chakra than Sasuke will ever have. More chakra than all the jounins will ever have in fact. When Naruto fought Neji, he had more chakra than the time where he had summoned Gamabunta and there is only few people in all the world who have enough chakra for that. But Naruto uses his power like a bull, he just ran on Neji surrounded with the Kyubi's chakra, he did the same thing with Gaara, and with pretty much all his opponent when he's in this state. Neji had much much less chakra than Naruto in Kyubi's state but he used it to the perfection. It's the same for Sasuke, though he has and will have less chakra, he will make a better use of it.

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ShadowClone Genin Featherweight Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Konoha Boxing Gym (KBG)	Kyubi's chakra is definitely greater than any Curse Seal Level 2 chakra, and as mentioned before, Kyubi's chakra is virtually limitless. The "points" thing doesn't really make sense to me, since Naruto can draw Chakra from Kyubi at will. It's just that Naruto's body is NOT YET STRONG ENOUGH to contain that much chakra from the Kyubi. You'd also have to consider the CHAKRA CONTROL/EFFICIENCY of Naruto and Sasuke. Perhaps an analogy is in order... Lets' say Naruto and Sasuke's can release enough chakra on their own to "fill up" 1 gallon containers. Since Curse Seal Level 2 draws chakra from within the body, let's say Sasuke's chakra potential is equivalent to a 1,000 gallon water tank. Naruto's potential (due to the Kyubi), is the PACIFIC OCEAN. Furthermore, lets' say that when Naruto draws from Kyubi chakra, he can release chakra to fill up 1,000 gallons. Similarly for Sasuke, CSL2 will give him the remaining "1,000 gallons" of chakra he has inside him. So theoretically, they have the "same" amount of chakra....BUT... in Naruto's case, that "1,000 gallon" chakra container has a hole the size of a BASKETBALL, and chakra is leaking out of it rapidly...meanwhile, Sasuke's container has a hole the size of a MARBLE, so the "leak" is not that fast. This shows that Sasuke can CONTROL that much chakra better... However, once Sasuke's CSL2 chakra is used up, he has NOTHING left, i.e. the "1,000 gallon water tank" is EMPTIED...whereas Naruto still has the "PACIFIC OCEAN" of the Kyubi's chakra to draw from. Thus, the Kyubi vs CSL2 chakra battle all boils down to a battle between STAMINA and CHAKRA CONTROL.

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Uzumaki_kitsune Ookamiyasha(wolf demon) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: in this magical land where you can do whatever you want as long as you dont care Age: 26	you know just when i was starting to think that there was know intelligent people in this forum i was wrong the wolf of mibu, shadowclone, sin you proved me wrong there are smart people in this place and all of you have come up with these system especially sin, thanks

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duztin Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004	yea but if the kyubi dont wanna die its gonna give naruto his chakra like we saw when he was learning the summoning tech and was falling in that gorge.