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Old 2004-11-14, 01:37   Link #961
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In the sub that I saw, Kouta said that he couldn't forgive Lucy for what she did to his sister and father, but that he loves that girl he met a long time ago and Nyuu. *Commence the kiss*

I think that Lucy went off to destroy the organization, told Banto that he'd have no way to see her again (since the organization that supplied him with repairs will be going down).

Her last horn breaks when she went against the organization and Lucy most likely reverts to Nyuu(and since it doesn't indicate that her horns can grow back in the Anime like they did in the manga) Nyuu may be the permanent personality and Lucy (and her murderous ways) may be gone for good.

Nyuu=the clock functioning (She keeps playing with the pendulum)

Lucy=the melody (she keps humming)

No more melody=no more Lucy

Clock works=Nyuu is the one that's left.

Also Lucy said that her only driving force left to live was to appologize to Kouta and since she did, the Lucy personality had symbolically become forfeit, but since Kouta mentions that he loved Nyuu, Nyuu herself is not forfeit.

At least that's my take on it.
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Old 2004-11-14, 03:29   Link #962
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DAmn it, I want a 2nd season involve Human-Diclonius war! I want to see a sea of pink hair 4 years old girls charge into the United Nation head quarter in New York and lay the smack down on all those mofos who think they are running the world....ok they don't but it's still fun to see the diclonius put a bloody happy face with horns on the United Nation icon on the wall...maybe not hehehe
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Old 2004-11-14, 13:32   Link #963
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DAmn it, I want a 2nd season involve Human-Diclonius war! I want to see a sea of pink hair 4 years old girls charge into the United Nation head quarter in New York and lay the smack down on all those mofos who think they are running the world....ok they don't but it's still fun to see the diclonius put a bloody happy face with horns on the United Nation icon on the wall...maybe not hehehe
Hehe....

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Old 2004-11-14, 18:51   Link #964
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Hehe....

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exactly. thats what i think too. diclonious shouldn't be born as killers. its just their environment forces them to take action.
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Old 2004-11-14, 19:18   Link #965
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Hehe....

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I've already said this before in this thread....

Considering that they kept on throwing those metallic balls at her head, who knows what damage they could have done to her brain that makes Nana so different from other Silpelits.That and the fact that Kurama revealed the fact that Nana is a guinea pig in the lab in the latest chapter of the manga......

There's also one other thing you have to consider, Silpelits may be natural born killers of humans,but the lab take them in when they're young and expose them to painful experiements.This in the long run might have created a fear for humans and "tamed" them, just like how the keepers might have tamed those wild animals in the zoo.
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Old 2004-11-14, 19:36   Link #966
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There's also one other thing you have to consider, Silpelits may be natural born killers of humans,but the lab take them in when they're young and expose them to painful experiements.This in the long run might have created a fear for humans and "tamed" them, just like how the keepers might have tamed those wild animals in the zoo.
I agree, except with an inverse interpretation. I think that the Silpelits are 'normal' children with a deadly gift. We don't allow normal children to play with guns, becuase they don't fully comprehend the relationship of cause and effect well enough to understand the effects of firing that gun. Along the same lines, I don't think that young Lucy realized that she was going to tear those kids apart when she reached out with her vectors and attacked the kids killing the dog.

Along the same lines, an orphaned child isn't going to understand that people will forgive a mistake; they're abandoned, they haven't known a loving forgiving parent. Not to say that anyone would have forgiven Lucy for tearing those kids apart, but that was her mindset when she started killing other people.

A couple of pages back, I said that I thought the Director was torturing the slilepts to make them homicidal killers, to effect the transition (or genocide) from humanity to diclonius.

I also think that a diclonius, raised like a normal child, would turn into a normal adult. Would make for a very interested side-story in a volume. Clearly the vectors have varying levels of force they can apply, since Nana uses them to move her prosthetic limbs. Bet they'd be fun in bed.
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Old 2004-11-14, 21:26   Link #967
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I also think that a diclonius, raised like a normal child, would turn into a normal adult. Would make for a very interested side-story in a volume. Clearly the vectors have varying levels of force they can apply, since Nana uses them to move her prosthetic limbs. Bet they'd be fun in bed.
lol? ouch.


on a side note, I was just thinking. With a good budget, i bet hollywood could pull off a live action movie of elfen lied. I mean, it could make a great horror/drama movie. It would be interesting to see the anime live.
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Old 2004-11-14, 21:49   Link #968
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If you Humans Kill Each other all the time, and some times tried Commiting Genoide... So we arnt so differnt from the diclonius...

And those little Bastards at the orphenage had it comming, Esp. Killing that Puppy... And I did'nt feel sorry for them.

Bah, Lucy would be better in bed too, The evil ones always are
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Old 2004-11-14, 22:35   Link #969
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I say they make an Elfen Lied Real Time strategy ahahah

The Diclonius will be the Protoss

The Humans will be the Terrans

The Dogs will be the Zergs....

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Old 2004-11-15, 00:21   Link #970
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Anyway, I have a theory about why the Diclonius don't seem to ever attack Kurama. Perhaps it is because he's the only character in the entire anime that's actually killed a Diclonius? They said in one of the episodes that he had killed something like 14 so far, and I'm pretty sure that was one of the flashback episodes, so it's likely he's been the one killing most of the unnecessary Diclonius babies in the facility since.

Now, considering the Diclonius only seem to kill humans and have no instinctual drive to gratuitously kill anything else, maybe there's some connection, some further unstated rules of their species about killing. Maybe they can 'sense' that Kurama's killed them in the past, and maybe this frightens them away from messing with him. Remember the first episode, when Lucy slaughtered everyone but Kurama, and just walked past him? Remember that we could actually see that one of her vectors left a red, bloody print of its 'hand' on his back? I wonder if that was Lucy patting him on the back out of respect?
Any takers on this? Thoughts?

Oh, and I'd also like to mention... if anyone else is still hung up on chicks with horns and a lot of power after watching this anime (like I know I sure as hell have become) check out the classic anime "Urusei Yatsura" (can be purchased subbed at http://www.animeigo.com/Products/UY.t). COMPLETELY different from Elfen Lied except for the main female character having horns. Great comedy though, and I really felt I needed one after getting so into that velvety emotional quagmire we call Elfen Lied. This series was the first anime series aired from Rumiko Takahashi's mangas and ran from 1981 through 1985. For those who don't know, she's the famous and revered Manga creator of Ranma and Inuyasha.
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Old 2004-11-15, 02:23   Link #971
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Anyway, I have a theory about why the Diclonius don't seem to ever attack Kurama. Perhaps it is because he's the only character in the entire anime that's actually killed a Diclonius? They said in one of the episodes that he had killed something like 14 so far, and I'm pretty sure that was one of the flashback episodes, so it's likely he's been the one killing most of the unnecessary Diclonius babies in the facility since.

Now, considering the Diclonius only seem to kill humans and have no instinctual drive to gratuitously kill anything else, maybe there's some connection, some further unstated rules of their species about killing. Maybe they can 'sense' that Kurama's killed them in the past, and maybe this frightens them away from messing with him. Remember the first episode, when Lucy slaughtered everyone but Kurama, and just walked past him? Remember that we could actually see that one of her vectors left a red, bloody print of its 'hand' on his back? I wonder if that was Lucy patting him on the back out of respect?
Actaully it's more like :-

"I'm leaving you alive just this time.Better watch your back now cause I'll come back for you."
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Old 2004-11-15, 07:12   Link #972
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I thought that too..... I Figured she was saving him for somthing special
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Old 2004-11-15, 10:15   Link #973
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One theory earlier in the thread was that she could sense that he was a carrier for the virus that causes offspring to be diclonius. It's only speculation though, I'm not sure if it's the case. But for some reason most diclonius (the ones we know about) do seem to have a special bond with him (a past diclonius infects him specifically, Lucy lets him live, Nana is a surrogate daughter, Mariko his real daughter). It's odd Lucy lets him live while he is the one doing most of the experimentation on the diclonius. Perhaps it was to make him feel responsible for everything that happened, which would make him suffer more.
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Old 2004-11-15, 12:09   Link #974
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2nd Generation

In theory, it can be either possible or plausible for humans and diclonius to co-exist in the world.

The problem just as dreamless has stated above

1. Is the hardcoded programming into their genes that orders them through instinct in wiping any signs of human lifeform. However, I'm getting suspicious that maybe and just maybe that disgusting vector virus is somehow responsible for messing up Diclonius DNA programming and behavior.
Just like any other virus, the vector virus is just another bastard microscopic; wondering, if Lucy is really the source of the virus? I think she's the original mediator to the virus, but the source.......?

It appears to me that Lucy is second generation. She appears to be about the same age as Kouta, i.e. 17 or 18. So eight years ago she would have been 9 or 10, and she was just learning to use her vectors. Evidently the Eve's don't progress at the same rate as the drones. Since Nana appears to be 13 or 14 that would mean that she was 5 or 6 then and the directors daughter would have been born around that time. So even if Lucy can spread the virus none of the Diclonius shown would have come from her.

We don't know who the first generation is or if there are more Diclonius Eves out there. If they had a good upbringing and found their Adams chances are that they would not kill. Reproducing would be more important.

If Kouta had met Lucy/Nyu a few days sooner things might have gone very different for her. I could see an alternate anime universe where Kouta saves her and the puppy and then convinces his father to become her guardian. Being raised with Kouta to defend her, she would never kill. And I wonder what the Chief's sons reaction would have been if the first knowledge that he had of her was when he walked into his class and found that a pregnant diclonius and her husband were two of his students. It would go completely against what they knew until then. Since they would likely want to study her in the wild, they would send Nana there as an inside person to report on what went on. And instead of Mayu bringing Nana home it would be Nana bringing Mayu home.
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Old 2004-11-15, 12:25   Link #975
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I say the American government made the virus to kill Japanese off like they made the HIV virus to kill Blacks......yep!! I hate those stupid conspiracy theorists
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Old 2004-11-15, 12:30   Link #976
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I also think that a diclonius, raised like a normal child, would turn into a normal adult. Would make for a very interested side-story in a volume. Clearly the vectors have varying levels of force they can apply, since Nana uses them to move her prosthetic limbs. Bet they'd be fun in bed.
I don't think I'd like to find out. Praying Mantis come to mind... She'd get herself impregnated, rip the mate's head off, and move on.
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Old 2004-11-15, 14:58   Link #977
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Lol Trax! I was thinking the same thing. She would lose control and spasm.

BTW PastPrime, you only have 1 hole in your theory. Diclonius learn their Vectors at 3. So it would be very easy for Lucy to have started the whole thing. She had 6 years to do it. She just didn't know it was Evil Lucy doing it.
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Old 2004-11-15, 15:15   Link #978
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A curious detail that I checked out upon visiting the Elfen Lied official webpage was that more sets of screenshots were added into the story section for each of the episodes.

Two more sets of screenshots were added to episodes one to four.
The rest is pending.

http://www.vap.co.jp/elfenlied/story.html
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Old 2004-11-16, 00:24   Link #979
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I don't think I'd like to find out. Praying Mantis come to mind... She'd get herself impregnated, rip the mate's head off, and move on.
The things I can imagine a six-armed woman doing to me are illegal in 72 countries.
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Old 2004-11-16, 00:41   Link #980
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And those are?

I probaly thought the same things.
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