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Old 2009-11-05, 17:55   Link #2801
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um guys im using mozzila and the japanese words are being shown as cubed number is there an add on for mozilla to under stand japaneses characters??
You could try view>encoding and select one of the Japanese encodings, although Unicode should work...
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Old 2009-11-06, 01:51   Link #2802
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MAN THIS SUCKS!!! i have to get a XP CD >_< o well ill just read the" how to learn japanese in 30 days" book
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Old 2009-11-16, 16:09   Link #2803
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I am sure you can download the language pack online from Microsoft. Also while you are at it get Rikaichan and Furigana Injector. Very nice Firefox add-ons.
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Old 2009-11-20, 12:31   Link #2804
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I'd like to leave some positive feedback for a purchase from an amazon.co.jp associate vendor. I can figure out how to get to the right page, but they require a comment. Could I please get some help from someone on how to say "Excellent, fast shipment, very good packaging"?
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Old 2009-11-20, 12:52   Link #2805
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Mushi
Try something like this -
商品を無事で受け取りました。 とてもスムーズな取引でした。迅速、丁寧な対応をありがとうご ざいました。

Lately I ordered from amazon.jp itself and then sent them a letter in Japanese telling them the goods arrived intact. Surprisingly I got a return thank-you letter in Japanese, too! I was happy that my message was understood. And it was also very kind of them to return me the favor by writing in Japanese though I'm a foreigner.
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Old 2009-11-20, 21:58   Link #2806
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Thanks for the suggestion, nikorai. Since you didn't give an exact translation, I looked at that with Google Translate. It says:

I received the items safe. Trading was very smooth. Quickly, Zaimashita Thanks for your polite response.

I didn't actually have any correspondence with them, it was just a quick delivery with my order well packaged. So the first two parts would be appropriate, not so sure about the third.

And sorry for asking this here, I guess it's not exactly a "learning" question, but hopefully something can be learned from it.
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Old 2009-11-21, 11:15   Link #2807
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丁寧な対応をありがとうご ざいました。
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I didn't actually have any correspondence with them
You shouldn't use google translation, it hardly hits the target.
It's not necessarily correspondence, it's more like "thank you for you considerate approach (toward the deal)".
So, this is an important phrase because that's the only one that contains the magic words 'thank you'.

And it is not 'zaimashita', it's 'teinei-na taiou'.

And of course I wouldn't give a word-to-word translation because i feel that Japanese have a different etiquette, it's more formal than what you can usually find on ebay, for example.

And I wish you happy shopping.
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Old 2009-11-21, 15:16   Link #2808
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Old 2009-11-21, 21:09   Link #2809
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And of course I wouldn't give a word-to-word translation because i feel that Japanese have a different etiquette, it's more formal than what you can usually find on ebay, for example.
Thanks for the clarification. Google Translate may not be the best, but often it's better than nothing. I'll just go with what you suggested.

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Old 2009-11-21, 21:12   Link #2810
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And it is not 'zaimashita', it's 'teinei-na taiou'.
I think the translator was confused by the space that was between the "go" and "zaimasita" (why was there a space there? Encoding issue?).
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Old 2009-11-21, 21:29   Link #2811
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Ah, ok. Removing that space just gives "Thank you for your polite response."

ありがとうございました (arigatou gozaimashita) That much I'm able to make out.
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Old 2009-11-28, 15:52   Link #2812
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I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could translate/ tell the meaning of this word:
"Kokutō Yoru"

Thanks.
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Old 2009-11-28, 16:16   Link #2813
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I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could translate/ tell the meaning of this word:
"Kokutō Yoru"

Thanks.
Couldn't figure out the first word, but I actually managed to find it with a quick Google. XD

黒刀 夜 (The Black Blade Night) according to http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Kokutou_Yoru

For future reference if you can find the kanji, it's usually an extremely good idea to post that too. Lots of Japanese words sound the same, and lots of fiction will use made-up kanji compounds or very uncommon kanji, so if the translator can see what component kanji the word is made up of, it makes it a lot easier to figure out what it means.

For example, when I look at the kanji for "kokutou" above, it's very clearly "black+blade," but when I look up the reading "kokutou" in the dictionary I get "こくとう [国等] (suf) .. countries like."
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Old 2009-11-28, 16:46   Link #2814
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Couldn't figure out the first word, but I actually managed to find it with a quick Google. XD

黒刀 夜 (The Black Blade Night) according to http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Kokutou_Yoru

For future reference if you can find the kanji, it's usually an extremely good idea to post that too. Lots of Japanese words sound the same, and lots of fiction will use made-up kanji compounds or very uncommon kanji, so if the translator can see what component kanji the word is made up of, it makes it a lot easier to figure out what it means.

For example, when I look at the kanji for "kokutou" above, it's very clearly "black+blade," but when I look up the reading "kokutou" in the dictionary I get "こくとう [国等] (suf) .. countries like."
Thanks so much for taking the time to find out.
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Old 2009-11-28, 17:17   Link #2815
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The last time I actively tried to learn Japanese was in French class in High School. This thread might prove useful for sure! At least now I don't have a teacher cracking down on me.
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Old 2009-12-17, 15:38   Link #2816
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Mendokusaさん。

お久しぶりです。
Windows Liveのメッセージありがとう。私もあなたと話したいです。
すぐ答えなくてすみません。キーボードから離れていたからです。
私は最近ゲームしたり、アニメを見たりします。
今はちょっと練習を続いています。
今回も手伝っていただけますか。
間違いを直してください。お願いします。

それは第5課の最後のテスト。

P.112, EX(68) 1.

テスト
ロシア語から日本語への翻訳

Your Excellency Prime Minister!
Ladies and Gentlemen.
首相閣下はじめ、ご列席の各位。

First of all, I'd like to thank you for the invitation to visit your country and to express our gratitude for finding an opportunity to meet with us despite your busy schedule.
最初に、貴国へご招待くださいましたことに心からの謝意を表させていただきます。(ご多忙の折にもかかわら ず) お忙しい中お時間を頂きまして、誠にありがとうございます。

Yesterday, during breakfast Mr Prime minister expressed a very important thought that all the problems in our relationships, including the most difficult ones, should be solved.
昨日、首相閣下は、私どもがお招きにあずかった心あたたまる朝餐会の席上、難問を含めて両国の関係にかかわ る問題をすべて解決しておくべきとの重要な点を述べられました。

We sincerely hope that the agreements that we achieve during our visit will become a solid basis for a peaceful development and cooperation between our people in various fields.
訪問中に達する合意が両国の*広範にわたる平和協力のためのより強固な基礎となると心より期待しております 。
(*各方面における交流の発展に)

I’m glad that I can express my respect to Mr Prime minister for giving us a deep understanding.
首相閣下の深いご理解に対し、改めて心からの感謝の気持ちを示しております。

We are convinced that those who sincerely wish for a truly friendly neighborhood and cooperation, cannot pass by this question (leave it unsolved).
なぜなら、両国の真の善隣友好と協力関係の確立を心から願う者にとって、最大の懸案である問題を避けて通る ことはできないと堅く信じております。

Our country thoroughly adheres to the principles of peace. Peace for us is irreplaceable.
我々は平和の原則を堅持して、我が国にとって平和は掛け替えのないものであります。
堅持(けんじ)
From now on, we intend to contribute to international security, stability, the prosperity of Asia-Pacific region, and people of the world.
これからも国際防衛・アジア太平洋地域の平和・世界各国の福祉に貢献することは不動の方針であ ります。

At the end, I'd like to express my hope that the relationships between our countries will develop basing on the principles of friendly neighborhood, mutual understanding and trust.
終わりに、相互理解と信頼に基礎を置く両国間の善隣友好関係が発展することを期待いたします。

I'd like to propose a toast to health of Mr Prime minister and our guests.
首相様とご列席の各位のご健康のためにここに杯を挙げて乾杯したいと思います。

P.113, EX(68) 2.


Dear Japanese friends!
Dear colleagues !
尊敬する日本の皆さん。
尊敬すべき同僚の皆さん。

First, I'd like to greet you at the name of citizens of Moscow on the occasion of the opening of the 3rd Russian-Japanese trade union conference.
まず最初に、第3日露労働組合の会議開会にあたりモスクワ市民代わりましてご挨拶を申し上げま す。

Taking the opportunity, I'd like to thank you for making all the way to meet with us and participate in the conference.
この機会を借りて、はるばるモスクワへお出でいただいた皆様をお迎えして、幸せに存します。

Once again we're happy to meet with famous Japanese trade union officials and social activists.
再び、日本の著名な労働組合幹部、社会活動家の皆様との新たな出会いは心から喜びであります。

著名(ちょめい)
幹部(かんぶ)

We hope that our meeting will be useful, the exchange of opinions will be meaningful and efficient.
この会議が皆様のお役に立つことを期待しております。内容のある、充実した意見交換になりますよう、活発な お話し合い、ご討議をお願いしたいと存じます。
And we hope that the conference will contribute a lot to the peace and friendship between peoples of our countries. Also, we hope that it’ll foster humanitarian times, relationships of mutual understanding and trust between Russia and Japan.
私たちは、今日ここに開かれる会議が、両国民の善隣関係と相互理解と人的交流の強化に著しく貢献するものと 期待いたします。
(この会議が両国間の人道的な繋がりを育てることで、相互理解と信頼と友好の発展に大きく貢献されることを 期待いたします。)
著しい(いちじるしい)

At the end, I'd like to wish you good health, success in work and prosperity.
終わりにのぞみ、ご列席の皆様のご健康と事業でのご成功と繁栄を祈念しております。
Thank you for your attention.
以上をもちまして開会のご挨拶させていただきます。

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P.113, EX(68) 3.

参加者の皆さん。
尊敬するお客様。
Dear participants
And dear guests!

First of all, I’m taking the opportunity to express my gratitude for the invitation to Russia.
まず、この機会を借りて、ロシアへご招待くださいましたことに心からの謝意を表させていただき ます。

I can't stop thanking you for a warm welcome…
このたび、盛大なる歓迎、手厚いお持て成しを受けまして、まことに感謝にたえません。

盛大(せいだい)

…and for the kind words you gave us.
皆様からご親切でご丁寧なお言葉および過分なるお褒めの言葉を頂きまして、恐縮に存じます。

恐縮(きょうしゅく)

I’m very glad that I have a chance to talk about our friendly feelings toward Russia and express our solidarity.
ロシア市民への友好的な感情についてここで皆様にこのように述べる機会が与えられたことは喜ばしいことです 。

We share our joy (satisfaction?) for the fact that we broaden our cooperation in the fields of economy, science, culture and human exchange.
われわれ両国民の経済・科学・文化・人的交流の面における協力が年々に広がっていることを皆様とともに喜び 合いたいと思います。

We hope that the mutual understanding and trust between our peoples will deepen.
相互理解と信頼を深めるよう願っております。
And we are sure that this conference will play a positive (active) role in this process.
この会議がこの過程において積極的な役割を果たすものと堅く信じております。

As a closing word, I'ld like to wish you good health and success in work for the sake of the prosperity of Russia and for global peace.
最後には、ロシアの発展と世界平和のために皆様のご健康と事業でのご成功を祈念しております。
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Old 2009-12-17, 15:40   Link #2817
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お願いがもう一つあります。

歌の歌詞を翻訳してみました。でもちょっと質問が残っています。

だれが運転手ですか? 女の子ですか。男の子ですか?
全然分かりませんでした。

大スキ!
(I love you
Aka Big skis)

とってもとっても とってもとっても
とってもとっても 大スキよ 
ダーリン I like you. ダーリン いい いい
I love you soooooo much.
Darling, I like you. Darling~

2回目のドライブ Doki Doki しちゃう
広がる青い空 最高だね
We go for a joyride the second time around.
I'm pulsated!
Blue sky over our heads is fantastic, isnt it?

あなたといると楽しい
2つに並ぶ 缶ジュース
なんか もううれしすぎて
ホッペに チュッてしたくなる
だけど今は運転中
横顔を 見つめていよう
Its fun to be with you.
Bottles of juice in two rows.
Im sort of overly happy now.
And I want to kiss you on the cheek.
But Im at the wheel.
So youll have to look at me in profile.

とってもとっても とってもとっても
とってもとっても 大スキよ 
ダーリン I like you. ダーリン いい
I love you soooooo much.
Darling, I like you. Darling~

アイ アイ アイ アイ
アイ アイ アイ アイ
アイ アイ アイ アイ
あ・い・し・て・る。
ダーリン I love you. ダーリン いい いい
I lo-lo-lo-lo (x12) love you.
Darling, I like you. Darling~

写真いっぱい撮ったね
「今すぐ見たいよぉ」

We took lots of pictures.
I want to see them real soon.

夕焼けの帰り道 予定変更
スピード写真に寄り道
「1時間後です。」(OK)
あと 1時間 ドライブ
ごめんね ほんとは
もう少し 一緒にいたかったんだ
I change my plans on our way home at sunset.
We stop at a photo booth.
An hour later.
Then we drive for another hour.
Im sorry
But I really wanted
To stay with you just a little longer.

とってもとっても とってもとっても
とってもとっても 大スキだから
ダーリン I like you. ダーリン いい
I love you soooooo much.
Darling, I like you. Darling~


ずっとずっと ずっとずっと
ずっとずっと そばにいたい。
ダーリン I love you. ダーリン いい いい
I want to stay with you foreeeeeeeeeeever.
Darling, I like you. Darling~

はじめて撮った写真は
なんだか ちょっと くすぐったい
でも顔がにやけてきちゃう
もうすぐで さよならだね
今日ね すごくね むちゃくちゃ
楽しかった
ありがと。 ダーリン
The photo we took for the first time
Sort of has a tickling feeling in it.
But I already have a sweet smile on my face.
Well have to bid farewell soon.
You know, today was awesome.
And I had lots of fun.
Thank you, darling.

(In this case, if にやけるis said by a girl it should be OK, IMO)
とってもとっても とってもとっても
とってもとっても 大スキよ 
ダーリン I like you. ダーリン いい
I love you soooooo much.
Darling, I like you. Darling~

アイ アイ アイ アイ
アイ アイ アイ アイ
アイ アイ アイ アイ
あ・い・し・て・る。
ダーリン I love you. ダーリン いい
I lo-lo-lo-lo (x12) love you.
Darling, I like you. Darling~

ずっとずっと ずっとずっと
ずっとずっと そばにいて。
ダーリン I love you. ダーリン いい
I want to stay with you foreeeeeeeeeeever.
Darling, I like you. Darling~

アイ アイ アイ アイ
アイ アイ アイ アイ
アイ アイ アイ アイ
あ・い・し・て・る。
ダーリン I love you. ダーリン いい いい
I lo-lo-lo-lo (x12) love you.
Darling, I like you. Darling~


スキ スキ ダーリン
ダーリン I like you. ダーリン いい いい
I love you.
Darling, I like you. Darling~


スキ スキ ダーリン
ダーリン I like you. ダーリン いい いい
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スキ スキ ダーリン
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Old 2009-12-17, 22:49   Link #2818
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I didn't read all of it. It's not stated specifically, but it can be clearly inferred that the man is the one driving. Japanese is lame in the way it handles pronouns.

Couple of small translation mistakes.
あなたといると楽しい
2つに並ぶ 缶ジュース
なんか もううれしすぎて
ホッペに チュッてしたくなる
だけど今は運転中
横顔を 見つめていよう

Yours:
It’s fun to be with you.
Bottles of juice in two rows. (Two cans lined up together)
I’m sort of overly happy now.
And I want to kiss you on the cheek. (なる sort of implies that she has become "wanting to kiss him on the cheek)
But I’m at the wheel. (It doesn't say I anywhere. Should be something like "But you (implied by the next line) are in the middle of driving)
So you’ll have to look at me in profile. (mistranslation here. The いよう at the end implies intent. In this situation, it's fairly obvious that she is the one talking, so the intent being expressed must also be hers. Correct translation is "So I shall look at your profile")

Therefore! The guy must be the one driving. My Japanese is not nearly perfect, but I'm fairly certain my answer here is correct.
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Old 2009-12-18, 02:55   Link #2819
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難問を含めて両国の関係にかかわ る問題をすべて解決しておくべき
→難問を含めた両国間の問題をすべて解決しておくべき
我々は平和の原則を堅持して、我が国にとって平和は掛け替えのないものであります。
→我々は平和の原則を堅持します。我が国にとって平和とは掛け替えのないものであります。
再び→また
開会のご挨拶させていただきます。→開会の挨拶とさせていただきます。

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この歌に明確に書いていないが、「あなた」を使うのは女性視点、「君」を使うのは男性視点が多 い。
さらに、日本でのイメージとして男女が車を乗るとなると、男が運転するイメージが強い。

助手席に女性、運転席に男性が座っていて、男性の運転中を女性が眺めている様子です。
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Old 2009-12-18, 12:53   Link #2820
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Sylphicさん

説明と翻訳ありがとうございます。

I had an idea that it would be logical for a guy to drive. But then some fit of stupidity made me change the translation.
I thought that the girl didnt want to get distracted from the road. Like this


mendokusaさん

練習解決を支援してありがとうございます。助かりました。

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助手席に女性、運転席に男性が座っていて、男性の運転中を女性が眺めている様子です。
あ、なるほど。最初、気づきませんでした。今は分かりました。
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