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Old 2009-02-10, 17:53   Link #1921
iLney
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Thank a lots. Can you help me with this sentence too?

ここには 新聞も ざっしも あります.

There are newspapers and magazines here.

I learn somewhere that "and" = "to." But I don't see it. And は read "wa" right? I guess that this sentence is quite formal.
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Old 2009-02-10, 21:26   Link #1922
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You are not limited to ''to'', because you can translate ''mo'' by ''also''. And yes using alone as a particule, ''は'' is pronounced ''wa''
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Old 2009-02-10, 23:14   Link #1923
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Thank a lots. Can you help me with this sentence too?

ここには 新聞も ざっしも あります.

There are newspapers and magazines here.

I learn somewhere that "and" = "to." But I don't see it. And は read "wa" right? I guess that this sentence is quite formal.
can mean "and"; it can also mean "with" in the same grammatical capacity.

But in this case, you have も, whose basic meaning is "both"/"also"/"likewise".

In particular, the pattern "A も B も" means "both A and B". Thus, the most literal meaning of the sentence above is, "There are both newspapers and magazines here."
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Old 2009-02-11, 01:09   Link #1924
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Thank you.

Uhm, one more question: is there any difference in sound between じゃ and ざ, じゅ and ず, じょ and ぞ, etc....

If not, is there any significant difference in usage?
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Old 2009-02-11, 07:48   Link #1925
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Thank you.

Uhm, one more question: is there any difference in sound between じゃ and ざ, じゅ and ず, じょ and ぞ, etc....

If not, is there any significant difference in usage?
Definitely a difference, write it romaji and pronounce in english.

Ja, Za
Ju, Zu
Jo, Zo

The only sounds which may sound similar are
つ - Tsu
づ - Zu (aka dsu)
ず - Zu

Which aparently the last two sound the same.
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Old 2009-02-11, 12:40   Link #1926
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Ty

The site I found pronounced them the same though, but another did it right.
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Old 2009-02-12, 00:24   Link #1927
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Hmm, no one knows the purpose of using へと? Rikaichan would only define へ and と
individually and googling that word will result in nothing about how it is used

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Old 2009-02-12, 03:36   Link #1928
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Huh? What's the context? Are both letters being used at once? If so, it'll usually be in a sentence like "tokyo heto (silent h) iku" which means to go to tokyo, with 'iku' being go. So it roughly takes the place of the word 'to'.
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Old 2009-02-12, 04:18   Link #1929
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From Meikyo:

It implies direction and more emphasized than just a "he". Also when using it together with "wo" to declare the route of a movement it sounds not very natural; not like when using "heto". same goes with "ni" and "nito".

ex:
We descend to the roots of the mountain through the mountain path
he: 山道を麓へ降りた (yamamichi wo fumoto he orita)
heto: 山道を麓へと降りた (yamamichi wo fumoto he to orita)
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Old 2009-02-12, 09:09   Link #1930
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Ty

The site I found pronounced them the same though, but another did it right.
Korean-speakers have trouble with the difference between those sound pairs. Both sounds tend to end up somewhere in between. This particular example of native-language interference also figured heavily in a rather nasty bit of anti-Korean violence that broke out in Tokyo after the Great Kanto Earthquake...
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Old 2009-02-12, 18:08   Link #1931
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このイチゴはあまくておしいです。

Can anyone tell me why that sentence uses ichigo in katakana instead of hiragana. And if I know the kanji for strawberry, is it ok to use it instead?
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Old 2009-02-12, 19:42   Link #1932
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このイチゴはあまくておしいです。

Can anyone tell me why that sentence uses ichigo in katakana instead of hiragana. And if I know the kanji for strawberry, is it ok to use it instead?
It's because it's easier to identify the subject(a fruit イチゴ)within a string of hiragana.
If you know the kanji, yes by all means use it.
あまい and おいしいcan also be substituted into kanji 甘い and 美味しいmaking it more recognizable at first glance.

So it goes like this;

この苺は甘くて美味しいです。
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Old 2009-02-12, 22:53   Link #1933
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It's all aesthetics. Kanji, katakana, hiragana, use whatever. Unless you're writing like a college thesis or something.
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Old 2009-02-13, 02:28   Link #1934
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Definitely a difference, write it romaji and pronounce in english.

Ja, Za
Ju, Zu
Jo, Zo

The only sounds which may sound similar are
つ - Tsu
づ - Zu (aka dsu)
ず - Zu

Which aparently the last two sound the same.
and o and wo ( sorry cant write japanese on this comp for some reason ). and of course ha and wa ( specific case)
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Old 2009-02-15, 20:32   Link #1935
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机の下。
Under the desk

Can someone tell me why "の” instead of uhm... something else?
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Old 2009-02-15, 21:45   Link #1936
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の establishes that 下 is pointing towards that location of 机.

Others like ga and ha and he and de and so on has different uses in describing the subject or what it's doing or where it's going or whatever. Some of which can be applied to your sentence depending on the context.
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Old 2009-02-16, 05:33   Link #1937
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So, my JLPT Ikkyuu results came in today.

...

...Holy fuck, I actually passed.

I only got a 58 on the Kanji section—I believe that counts as a 'bomb'—but I owned the Listening, and did passably on the Grammar–Reading Comprehension part. Overall, I managed a 292/400, which I think is a 73. (Passing for Ikkyuu is a 70.)

Now, is there a way to order a frame-able copy that doesn't show my ぎりぎり合格 score? I'd like to have something I can send to my parents...

EDIT: the JEES website tells me this:
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Q41 飾っておくために大きな認定書をもらえますか?
認定書の原本はあくまでもお送りした葉書サイズのものです。飾っておくためのものとしてA4版の拡大コピー を一枚1,000円で発行します。これは公式書類としては使えません。請求の仕方は合否結果通知書の裏面の お知らせをご覧ください。
...And yet, the back of the test results only tells me how to request an official copy for submission to potential schools and employers...

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Old 2009-02-16, 06:35   Link #1938
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So, my JLPT Ikkyuu results came in today.

...

...Holy fuck, I actually passed.

I only got a 58 on the Kanji section—I believe that counts as a 'bomb'—but I owned the Listening, and did passably on the Grammar–Reading Comprehension part. Overall, I managed a 292/400, which I think is a 73. (Passing for Ikkyuu is a 70.)

Now, is there a way to order a frame-able copy that doesn't show my ぎりぎり合格 score? I'd like to have something I can send to my parents...

EDIT: the JEES website tells me this:
...And yet, the back of the test results only tells me how to request an official copy for submission to potential schools and employers...
omedetou~~★

I believe that makes you officially a non-native native now
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Old 2009-02-16, 15:02   Link #1939
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山田氏ほか2名。

<Mr. Yamada and 2 others>

氏: counter for reservations.
名: counter for people.

But.... I don't get it, structurally. Or is it just the way they say it in a restaurant, thus I must eat the sentence raw?
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Old 2009-02-16, 15:23   Link #1940
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山田氏ほか2名。

<Mr. Yamada and 2 others>

氏: counter for reservations.
名: counter for people.

But.... I don't get it, structurally. Or is it just the way they say it in a restaurant, thus I must eat the sentence raw?
I'm not sure what you're confused about.

氏 is Mr. That's why 山田氏 is Mr. Yamada.
2名 is two people.
It's very straight forward.

山田氏        他     2名
Mr. Yamada other two people

thus, Mr. Yamada and two others
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