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Old 2006-09-21, 15:28   Link #381
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After the VaginaBlade back from one of the earlier episodes, I thought that nothing in this series would ever be able to surprise me.

And then I saw THAT! Yes, I am talking about the BoobBlade from that Aoi/Masane moment.

Just think about it...

BOOBBLADE

That pretty much sums it all up, doesn't it? The ultimate expression that explains, digests and thoroughly spongefeeds this whole series in one single perfect word. If anyone ever asks me, what is "Whitchblade" all about, I'm going to tell them: "The Boobblade. A breast with blades. Two of them."

See how simple it is?

I thought that for a really trashy guilty pleasure series like this, the ending was pretty good. I'd even venture to say that it was everything that was necessary for this kind of anime, no more no less. Hell, the ending fight took place on the Tokyo Tower. Talk about classic!

PS: But damn, that boobblade was amazing. It was something like THE cathartic moment for this entire anime. I am still in shock!
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Old 2006-09-21, 15:55   Link #382
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After the VaginaBlade back from one of the earlier episodes, I thought that nothing in this series would ever be able to surprise me.

And then I saw THAT! Yes, I am talking about the BoobBlade from that Aoi/Masane moment.

Just think about it...

BOOBBLADE

That pretty much sums it all up, doesn't it? The ultimate expression that explains, digests and thoroughly spongefeeds this whole series in one single perfect word. If anyone ever asks me, what is "Whitchblade" all about, I'm going to tell them: "The Boobblade. A breast with blades. Two of them."

See how simple it is?

I thought that for a really trashy guilty pleasure series like this, the ending was pretty good. I'd even venture to say that it was everything that was necessary for this kind of anime, no more no less. Hell, the ending fight took place on the Tokyo Tower. Talk about classic!

PS: But damn, that boobblade was amazing. It was something like THE cathartic moment for this entire anime. I am still in shock!
What the hell are you talking about? I didn't see no boobblade! I saw a pair of knees with blades on them. If that's what you're referring too.
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Old 2006-09-21, 18:24   Link #383
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And then I saw THAT! Yes, I am talking about the BoobBlade from that Aoi/Masane moment.

Just think about it...

BOOBBLADE

That pretty much sums it all up, doesn't it?
LOOOL

Well, MrProphet - you kinda blew me away with THAT!
I think about it... and *boom*: there is the fit of laughter *rofl*

But you're right. In a way 'BoobBlade' sums it up pretty nicely... although I sort of enjoyed the show. Every week I thought what the hell they came up with this time - but then I wanted to know how Masane and Riko are doing...

kinda GONZO
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Old 2006-09-21, 18:36   Link #384
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Hadn't been up here for a while, and yeah, the ending for the final episode definitely screamed out 'WTF?' I would've settled for a SoltyRei-like ending, but what can you do about it.

Unfortunately, I won't be able to make anymore DVD vs. TV comparisons for the time being with my regular computer being serviced, especially with Volume 3 being released next week. So chrno, you may have wait a while, unless somebody else decides to do it.
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Old 2006-09-22, 00:31   Link #385
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A bittersweet ending... part II

I can think of that the animation staff was running out of time and in a hurry while making up the last episode, as many of you voiced their insatisfaction.

What the animation staff concentrated on was the scene of Masane's ending to deliver a powerful sequence and worked, at least on me because it touched me.

I'm also turned off that the several antagonists were laid back throughout most the previous episodes taking no further action to compromise Masane's stability of her happy family life to produce geniune angst and grief. Some were just killed off in a hurry, for example, I'm protesting how Asagi go that easily.
She was practically the last one of sisters to appear very lately, and save for seeing in full CB form she was never given a chance to kick butt.

Aoi's demise did follow on natural and made sense, since she truly cared for Maria, and fortunately, despite her nonchalant demeanor, Maria did also feel and cried for Aoi's death.

I don't understand why several people labelled Nishida as a parallel to Julia from Blood+. Julia like Nishida's assistant knew when to stop if the circumstance turned for the worst. Nishida's unhealthy obsession for the Witchblade both parallels and coordinates better with Amschel's lust for scientific knowledge.
Why I might have found Nishida's demise cheap, it does fit her as her lustful curiosity got the better out of her without paying attention to the shit that befell on her too lately.

As for Wado, well he's finished and lost everything- his influence and image- and will soon be roaming the street begging for bread crusts, unless he chooses to jump in the middle of a railroad track while the train comes over in order for himself to be put out of his misery.

But no matter how cheap and rushed the pace was executed in this last episode, Masane and Maria were able to put some decent heck of a fight if it was short-lived.
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Old 2006-09-22, 12:03   Link #386
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Actually it was wrex_japan that mentioned that whole parallel deal with 'Julia' and 'Nishida'. I guess because they were both researchers. But 'Nishida' got the combination of 'Julia' and 'Anschell' like you said. And as I said before her fanaticism for research cost her. Personally, I kind of felt her demise was kind of "jacked-up" when you compare it to 'Wado'. The only think fitting for him would have been jumping off the building. Chances are he was probably contemplating it before the news crew came. He's that unstable now. Not like it was any change from before.

But I agree that the 'SISTAS' should have gotten more of a chance. Especially, 'Asagi'. Trying to figure out what 'Aoi' reminded me of. Either "puppy dog" or little "lamb". Though 'Asagi' reminds me of a "goat" as well. But I'll stick with "fox". Guess I'll check the site to get a better look once they put them up. It kind of sucks the way they were presented in the show. You really don't get to see their forms that close up. Still think 'Shiori's 2nd form was the WORST!!!!

I was pretty suprised that 'Masane' was able to stay several steps ahead of 'Maria'. Oh did anyone notice the "swastika" on the building?

It's during that scene where 'Masane' is evading 'Maria' and company. Basically, she flies into a building. Using her hair she cushions the impact so that she doesn't go through it. The force of it creates a swirl pattern cutting into the building and causes it to explode outward when she rebounds.

Ah, yes postwar Japan you never knew what you come across when you're watching anime. There is always some symbolism in there.

*Note folks, the swastika was originally a Buddhist symbol. Which had nothing to do with the 'Nazi' party. It's because of this that the symbol and it's mirrored half the "manji" are often removed because of the negative history attached to it. However this does not extend or effect 'Asian' cultures. As it can still be seen and is still used.

I watched the episode again and I found that even with it feeling rushed the whole episode became easier and easier to accept. The bottom line is that sometimes you have to accept what is not always going to be the case. So I guess I'm upset and hurt at the same time. I also saw what you were talking about too 'Guido'. About the I-Weapons trying to crawl up 'Tokyo Tower'.

As for 'TC's agreement. Who knows what they discussed later on.

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Again this guideline can be interpreted in many ways. I guess them wanting to do it would hold a stronger significance to the overall plot. Which can also be conveyed on 'Rihoko's face. It's much deeper and more profound.

Does that mean we get a music video using 'Bette Midler's song "Wind Beneath My Wings" or 'Whitney Houston's "Greatest Love of All?"

As for the 'BoobBlade' well, that is pretty fricking hilarious. Don't be talking about 'Masane's boobs now! Hahahaha!!!
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Old 2006-09-22, 12:24   Link #387
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I never got the pun about the so-referenced 'boobblade', as if I mind though.

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Anyways, I read from an interview to Matt Hawkins that TOP COW is considering to include both Witchblade anime and manga to be canon with the timeline introduced in the comicbook.
He said that the Witchblade will be staying at Japan for a couple of centuries before moving on.

After watching Masane's ending, I'll be happy to indulge myself with the manga to find out if the manga's storyline happens several decades before or after the anime.

One last thing, on which I agree with chrno, is that the ending left me a little of a void on me. It's more like finished on a cliffhanger but gave a closure note at the same time.
If GONZO decides to include an extra pair of episodes along with the DVD releases, they'll mostly be set before the time of the last arc of the anime and that means no epilogue that follows after; refer to Solty Rei extra episodes.

Oh, before I forget, the choice for the animation staff to reinstate the first OP video and song for the last episode was fitting, since only Masane (in both human and Witchblade forms), Reina (as Lady), and Riko are the only characters shown in that OP, meaning all three fulfilled a purpose in the last episode.
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Old 2006-09-22, 14:05   Link #388
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Hmm, does that mean another 'Witchblade' anime sometime down the line?

Well, I found out a little info. on the 'Witchblade' manga. There are 2. Though, I'm surprised that 'ANN' hasn't updated the info. on the actual title. Yet the way it's displayed you'd think it was already published here. As they have a listing for vol. 2 but not vol. 1.

-'WITCHBLADE Takeru' Which was running in a publication called 'Red Champion'. The artist on the book is 'Kazasa Sumita'. I've been to his site. He's a pretty outstanding illustrator. But his stuff is very much on the "ero" side. He ranks up there with 'Katsuya Terada' as far as the quality of his work goes. He's also produced doujins too.

From the reviews on 'Amazon JP' people that have purchased the first book seem very pleased with the over all production. I'd been curious to see anything on it. But it is coming stateside. I was able today to dig up a piece of info on the manga with some extra images. Which for awhile seemed scarce. Of course this article is old.

The heroine for this story is named 'Takeru'.

I'm assuming this was the story they might have been talking about concerning where the 'Witchblade' was supposed to manifest from. I can see given the chance he would have loved to have the 'Witchblade' pulled from "you don't want to know". This title will be sporting a mature label when it gets here.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=81702

I'll be reading this article myself.

-'WITCHBLADE ~ Lost Generations Aoi no Shoujo'.

Getting info on this one is not easy as it's another release that almost looks like a one story deal. So again not much is known about this title. But it does exist and is available.

The story supposedly takes place in the same time line as the anime. When? Who can say? Could be years earlier. The bearer in this story is a sickly 15 year old girl from Okinawa by the name of 'Yuri Miyazono'. Who is suffering from an incurable disease.

The artist on this manga is 'Uno Makoto'. The same artist for the 'Witchblade' anime. The writer is someone else. So far reviews on this story are O.K. While many enjoy the artist's style some either liked the story or they felt it wasn't executed as well. So it's more of a hit or miss title.

Here's the best shot I could find that has an large clickable image. There's no mistaking 'Makoto-san's jagged style.

http://bookweb.kinokuniya.co.jp/gues...IPS=9981050180

I was trying to remember where I got the info. for 'Lost Generations'. Now I remember. I took the summary and review and ran them through a translator and pieced it altogether from there. Then compared the info. to other listings for accuracy. Of course that was a month ago. I'd be curious to see both publications of this title.
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Old 2006-09-22, 15:01   Link #389
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Matt Hawkins also stated that Witchblade Takeru won't be censored in anyway.

IMHO, I do not view the censored screening of Witchblade (anime) being censored at all. Sure, when one mentions Witchblade the following what flashes in your mind are tons of imagery of hot, sexy, women claded in skin-tight, organic armor that barely covers up what's needed leaving lots and lots of skin galore.

However, at no time did I feel uncomfortable or whining for the censoring of Masane's Witchblade form. I sincerely think that the touches dealt on recoloring the parts of her body that needed to be colored up, so as the TV show getting around the censors, not only look fitting but also natural; the black coloring makes Masane claded in WB armor look more cooler.

Too bad that the DVD's do not provide a selection so as to choose the following options:
1. View the show uncensored. OR
2. View the show censored.

If they did, they'll be giving consumers all different sets of preferences and would make them happy.
I belong to the demographic that thinks WB Masane's design on censored version looks cooler than her exposed version.

The exposed version simply turns me off. Honestly, I do not know to make my mind on purchasing the DVD's if only had to offer the exposed and uncensored version of WB Masane.

I recall when I posted the first pic of Masane's uncensored version someone, either chrno or JShaggy, commented that if the producers had chosen to opt for that version then the whole show would had not be taken seriously. However, you must understand this is WITCHBLADE on what we're talking about.

At least, everytime that Masane morphed to Witchblade form or return to human form the Witchblade spared her clothes. Just look what happens in the comicbook.

BTW, chrno here is the link for the Witchblade manga thread:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=657005
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Old 2006-09-23, 02:40   Link #390
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The Final Episode was IMO a little bit too rushed. As someone said before somethings missing here, definetly. But for my side i enjoy the other face of Takayama, i mean the father like side. The picture when he and Riko are holding Hands was too heartbreaking. And Masane disappering in the Light was really emotional. But what did Masane do to Maria that Aoi got so pissed and attacked Masane like a Beserker, did i miss something?
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The Final Episode was IMO a little bit too rushed. As someone said before somethings missing here, definetly. But for my side i enjoy the other face of Takayama, i mean the father like side. The picture when he and Riko are holding Hands was too heartbreaking. And Masane disappering in the Light was really emotional. But what did Masane do to Maria that Aoi got so pissed and attacked Masane like a Beserker, did i miss something?
What did she do? She tagged her in the head that's what she did. It happened so fast that you couldn't really tell what happened. One minute 'Masane's is getting up and telling her that's she's not done yet. You see her flash past 'Maria' and then there's this white stuff spilling down her forehead. And since 'Aoi' cares a great deal about 'Maria' she was more or less defending her honor. You have to remember despite how wild 'Maria' is she was always kind to 'Aoi'. Those two were very close.
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Old 2006-09-27, 20:55   Link #392
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*Note folks, the swastika was originally a Buddhist symbol. Which had nothing to do with the 'Nazi' party. It's because of this that the symbol and it's mirrored half the "manji" are often removed because of the negative history attached to it. However this does not extend or effect 'Asian' cultures. As it can still be seen and is still used.


Kinda reminds me of other forum discussions about Ichigo's "Bankai" in Bleach ep. 58 or was that 59. It also talked about the hilt guard thingy of his "Bankai," which some noobs said was a swastika like in form.
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Old 2006-09-30, 00:22   Link #393
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First, let me introduce myself --

I am a guy with a fetish for inhuman-looking femme fatale with striking measurements and equally devastating weaponry/powers/combat-techniques /armour/technology/skills/insert-whatever-term-that-is-used-to-denote-abilities -gained-from-character-development-in-any-RPG-game. Other than that, I like anything demonic! Hence my nickname 'gelugon' (a.k.a Pit Fiend in the AD&D universe) and day-dreaming of slaying anything that moves like the Marine in DOOM. Pray that I don't get super-powers.

And no I haven't watched all of the anime episodes. I am following the fansubs, but I have a bad habit of looking for spoilers. I have to confess that I sat staring at the ceiling after finding out how this anime ended. Moreover, like chrno has said in w-rex's blog, this is the first anime that got me making online comments. I could have dismissed it as just another anime, but the fact that it is a crossover intrigued me in the first place (and also made it stand out from among the crowd of anime involving inhuman femme fatales).

Anyway, me thinks that Gonzo has a beef with Top Cow, as well as its marketing department. Being the copyright-obsessed assholes that the Americans are, the Nippon Witchblade girls have NOTHING in common with Sara Pezzini. Masane was supposed to be a policewoman originally. She's a clumsy wimp (when she's human of course), and Takeru, well, she's a schoolgirl. And Yuri is very sickly (probably already badly corrupted by the parasitic weapon). And some Top Cow official said they are going to be canonized. Bull crap. To hell with the licensing, I say let Witchblade be Nippononized.

As for the grudge with the marketing department, anyone who follows the anime will see that most of the super-powered wimmen eventually turn out to be colourful and well curved (as opposed to Masane's very edged and jagged WB form) -- easy for toy manufacturers to produce figurines and model kits. Even Masane's later, more powerful form is not spared from merchandise commerialism. In my opinion, it's too colorful. Japs don't seem to like anything that is nearly all black and grey. In fact, I think the designers were forced to have her packing 93-cm boobs too (hence the occasional poking fun at her measurements in the anime). The directive must have gone this way:

DESIGNER: "Nan-dai-yo... <Men-doh-seh-na...>"

ASSHOLE-OF-A-BOSS: "Masane no one SAI-ZU zu-to kiu-kiu sen-ti-mee-tah."

DESIGNER: <glares at Boss>

ASSHOLE-OF-A-BOSS: "Me-re-da."

DESIGNER: "NA-NI!!! Kiu-Kiu sen-ti-mee-tah?! Bakana - ja! Ano-ko-da Anna Ohura ja-nai!! "

ASSHOLE-OF-A-BOSS: "Na-raba kiu-san sen-ti-mee-tah noh?"

DESIGNER: "Ah, ah, wakarimas... <hentai boge!>"

Pardon my really crappy Japanese, but I think any anime buff can make out the lines above. I don't have anything against big boobs, but I hate it when they are used to sell/promote merchandise. If you haven't noticed, nearly all anime female characters now have either washboard chests (in return for extreme kawaii-no-bi-shoujo-ness) or gargantuan ones. The some-where-in-betweens are rare occurences, but these tend to be some of the best thought-out characters (Lady Reina included).

Now there's two more Nippon Witchblade girls, made by people who worked with Gonzo. One's made by a guy who draws hentai doujins regularly, and the other made by two people, one of which who thought highly of Masane's jagged edged primary WB form.

The other two Nippon girls will probably end up dead as well, contrary to the still-growing-in-power Sara. Me thinks that their stories will end up like the Soul Reaver saga; they croak so to save someone they love/admire and all that dramatic hoo haa (still better than the American comic series though).

That's all for today. I have a lot of muck swimming in my head, much of it being revisions for my university exams and also enough plot ideas/suggestions to flood Gonzo AND Top Cow's servers should I email them.

P.S. No no I am not saying I am not touched by the ending when I said "all that dramatic hoo-haa" -- I sat staring at the ceiling, did I? And yes, I shed tears. Sad. And about the reference to Soul Reaver, it would be sacrilege to say that Raziel loved/admired Kain; he just realizes what's most important in the end. As for the "day-dreaming of being a DOOM Marine thing," I consider the Marines in the DOOM series to be even more demonic than the demons, i.e. kick more ass. You don't have to be ugly to be demonic. About the "plot ideas" thing, there's more than enough holes and development space in the Witchblade manga, anime and novel to link all three together and even produce a sequel; however, they WOULD NOT be canon for Top Cow. In fact, the best way for the Nippon Witchblade to turn out requires that it has NOTHING to do with Top Cow.
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Kinda reminds me of other forum discussions about Ichigo's "Bankai" in Bleach ep. 58 or was that 59. It also talked about the hilt guard thingy of his "Bankai," which some noobs said was a swastika like in form.
Hahaha!! That is funny. Hey take a look for yourself. Her landing could of been any other way. Now either it was intentional or odd coincidence. Also keep in mind the word 'swastika' or 'svastika' is a "sanskrit" word, not a 'German' one. In 'Japanese' is called a "manji". Oh don't forget the symbol has often popped up in the 'Sakura Taisen' series as well.

You are cracking me up gelugon2105! Hahaha!!

And you make some interesting points as well. Now I wonder if this is one of those things that if you give your project to the Japanese or any studio the control is lost? Hahaha! I guess 'Gonzo' wanted to do it their way to appease "their" masses. And of course you get a guy like 'Uno Makoto' on the job, hoo boy. Yeah, we want 'Masane' to be 'MILF' bait and 'Rihoko' to be 'loli-bait. I've seen the boards they thought she was EVER so cute and her intelligence made her even more "moe-moe". Could have been that the artist LIKES drawing busty females? But notice that the amount of jokes were kept in check. But you can tell that the Japanese wanted to control this one. Hahahaha!!! And 'Gonzo' is notorious for their level of fanservice. 'BakuTen' anyone? Hahahaha!!!

I'm curious to know what 'TC' feels about the anime now?
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Old 2006-10-04, 02:31   Link #395
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As long as it's making money off the licensing to Gonzo. I don't know how large Top Cow's share of the profits are, but it sickens me that it's going to get dosh from the anime broadcast, merchandise and model kits imported from Japan, on top of the income it already has from the sales of the comics and action figures. That must be a reason why Gonzo decided to end the anime two episodes earlier and kill off Masane (as well as obliterating the Witchblade along with the Tokyo Tower); no one could stand the fact that the profits from their product is being siphoned off by Americans whose Witchblade series is only similar in name, no thanks to the legal and commercial nightmare that is licensing.

I think Top Cow went to the Japs because they couldn't rely on the television series, which got cancelled after the lead actress had to be sent for alcoholic rehab. Since they lost a source of income and no viewer want anybody else to play the role of Sara Pezzini and an American animation of the witchblade was largely overlooked, they outsourced their work to Gonzo. In other words, they are attempting to ride on the gravy train that is the nationwide Anime/Manga craze in the USA (& other parts of the world) now.

Excerpt from a shareholders and Board of Directors meeting at Top Cow:

Shareholder 1: "Yancy Butler's been arrested. Again. Now she's going to rehab for probably months. What are we going to do? What about our money?"

<Chorus of shareholders seconding his opinion.>

Director A: "Um... We hire Pam Anderson?"

<Shareholders split, some nodding heads in glee and the others frowning.>

Shareholder 2: "HELL NO, what the f*** are you thinking??!"

Director B: "Yeah that's a bad idea. I say we get Brande Roderick. She's cuter."

<Shareholders split again, some nodding heads in glee and the others frowning.>

Shareholder 3: "Jeez, we don't want some big-boobed bimbo as the lead! We go in this direction and the TV series will look some Japanese anime gone live action!"

<Some shareholders nodding heads in agreement, but the others grinning ear to ear.>

Director C: "You're right, we don't want the TV series turning out like that."

Director A: "When we can make a new one! I say screw the TV series! Never liked the way it's been toned down just so 'it can appeal to the masses'. Witchblade should have been about clothes being ripped off anyway."

Shareholder 4: "Damn it, you guys are idiots! I want my money back!"

Director B: "Now wait a minute! This could be big bucks! And we don't need to lift a finger! We just outsource Witchblade!"

Shareholder 5: "And who the heck we outsource it to? India??"

Director C: "Much as it is tempting cost-wise, Americans can't understand Tamil and Hindi at the least and the Indians are just going to include extra Trimurti and Brahman hoo doo nonsense to the series, like they did with their version of Spider-man. No, we take it to the Japanese!"

Shareholder 6: "So you're going to just let it turn into a anime show with big boobs bouncing around, painfully cute kids and dollops of other who-knows-what-the-Japs-like?"

Director A: "Exactly. Now before you sue me, I ask you, what's your kid watching?"

Shareholder 5: "Some Japanese cartoon about shi -- shibi -- shino -- superpowered Japanese ninja. It's got a ninja guy with eyes that hypnotize people to slaughter each other. And there's a near-naked big-boobed brunette who kills men stupid enough to molest her by leeching their blood out.

Shareholder 6: "Hey, doesn't that show have another big-boobed bimbo who kills men by having sex with them and breathing on their face with poison gas?"

Shareholder 4: "And another big-boobed broad who fights while wearing only a scarf and towel, and bleeds red mist to blind her enemies?"

Shareholder 7: "My kid has a roomful of dolls and posters of those guys and girls. And guys and gals from other shows, like the one with some nano-tech vampires that share Tom Cruise's family name, if he was Ukrainian. And there're big-boobed vampiresses."

Director A: "See? You guys actually noticed. Our kids these days are into violence and big-boobs stuff. It's not even porno! And best of all it's legal!"

Director B: "So we outsource Witchblade to the Japs. But who?"

Director C: "Well, who made those shows with big boobed shinobi and nano-tech vampires?"


I hope their REAL meetings aren't this dumb. But like this parody of a meeting suggests, Top Cow is targeting the sex-hormone filled youth of the USA, who happens to be easily aroused by fictitious H-cup animated women and anime versions of Leonardo Di Carprio and Orlando Bloom (and they don't even need to be blonde; any hair color will do). Hence, the hurry to outsource their stuff. Especially to Gonzo, whom Top Cow knows will produce shows and manga with outrageously proportioned women and rugged/boyish/ handsome/good-looking-enough-makes-you-like-crap men. Just like they had wanted with their Witchblade.

IN FACT, some Top Cow officials are hinting that their other major product, The Darkness, is being reproduced by Gonzo. See Guido's Thread about this.

I hope Top Cow won't license any more of its series to Gonzo. Oh yes, there's more; in addition to the Darkness and the Witchblade, there's the Angelus (probably a mace-like weapon, can't be sure) and the Spear of Destiny. Yes, the spear that poked Jesus Christ. And its wielder is the descendant of Mary Magdalene. I don't know how much Gonzo will have to re-alter the stories. GOD FORBID.

AND there are 13 supernatural weapons in total.


P.S. The American Witchblade has been butchered so badly with mythical, biblical and extraterrestrial notions that not even a hardcore fan can tell whether it's supposed to be an alien artifact, one with divine origins or just a plain freak of nature. Examples: the witchblade fell from the sky, came from space and thus should be alien in origin. Yet later it was said the Witchblade is a divine weapon to balance the forces of light and dark on Earth. Then it was said it came from Lilith, the first female human before Eve. Then later it was said the Witchblade is of the male element. Total hodge-podge garbage I say. Poor Sara Pezzini, she's already quite pissed off and confused about the Witchblade (hence the fact that she went into a trance for several days after meeting the previous wielders in her dreams).

And about The Darkness, it is something similar to the Witchblade, but it has no actual form unlike the Witchblade. It can hide in a tooth cavity, behind eyeballs and the insides of your ears. When the user (or rather the person cursed with it) invokes it, the Darkness burst out in a real gross fashion. The user can summon demons, darkness weapons (even lame stuff like guns made out of shadow, of which the current user Jackie Estacado prefers) or let the user blend into the shadows like he's formless himself. And the quirkiest thing about it; it only works when it's dark. DOH.

The anime show mentioned in the fictional Top Cow meeting is Basilisk, reproduced with double the violence and a whole lot more boobies. The other anime mentioned is Trinity Blood, also made by Gonzo.

H-cup is a JAPANESE bra size, and is measured in metric centimeter. The American one is in Imperical inches, and American sizes are designated in single or multiple letters of A, B, C and D. While the Americans officially do not have bra sizes above double-D (or is it triple?), the Japanese designate new ones as they get larger and larger women (the current largest being Shoko Goto-chan, at a colossal 110 cm).
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Old 2006-10-10, 09:32   Link #396
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From what you're saying 'gelugon2105' it's like 'Gonzo' didn't really want to share 'Masane' with 'TC'. Considering that 'TC' would own a piece of her to begin with. Again considering the amount of merchandise that did come out for it which wasn't much. Four models, a sketch and design book (that I F***ING MISSED OUT ON) and two manga. If the ser ies was popular enough then there should have been more goods. No one dared do a swimsuit model. No 'Masane & Rihoko' or 'Cloneblade' models. I mean if artists were jumping at the chance to create their own rendition of the series on behalf of 'TC' you would think there would be more stuff. I guess if 'Witchblade' belonged to Japan then that would be the case. Then they could do what they wanted. After all the idea of the 'Witchblade' bearer being able to punch out a meteor sounds cool.

I'm beginning to think that 'Witchblade' only appealed to small masses of viewers. Compared to what they normally watch do you really think 'Masane' could turn their heads when they got all the other fetishes in the world? Maybe it was too average for their standards. who knows.

But yes, 'TC' wanting to outsource their material to get sales seems the case. Again the fate with all comics when you do get a decent story the writers are always f***ing with s**t and confusing their readers. Happens all the time. Poor 'Sara'.

Actually, gelugon2105 did you like the series?
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Old 2006-10-11, 03:10   Link #397
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Which series?

Top Cow's or Gonzo's? Top Cow's started out promising, but when Kenneth Irons comes back from the dead and some cult that was hunting the Darkness uses Ian Nottingham as host for both the Witchblade and the Darkness AND THEN becoming the host for BOTH -TWINS- of the Witchblade, it began to suck. It just gets worse when the Angelus and Magdalena were introduced, as if the Darkness was not enough.

As for the Anime, I think there was a lot of pressure on Gonzo to produce boat-loads of ridiculous looking characters (namely most of the Cloneblades; their colour schemes are simply jarring, the worst of which is either Asagi's or Maria's) for the release of would-be model kits and catchy posters. Fortunately, they handled the story well such that I don't
end up hating every female that has a Clone blade. (Except Asagi; I haven't seen all the episodes, and the only one I watched with her in it was the final one; within five seconds of listening to her talking and I already hated her.)

The anime does have some up points:

I especially like the way/style the faces are drawn. They look familiar enough to the typical sharp/round chinned, baby-faced and big-eyed faces in other animes, but with enough distinctive features (namely the borders of their eyes and their eyebrows; these are traits unique to Gonzo, as can be seen in Basilisk) to make them look different from the stock/standard template for anime faces out there.

And of course, Masane, though she could have been just another conveniently clumsy big-boobed anime babe, stands out from the rest thanks to her MILF status. I mean her status as an affectionate single mom. Makes the perrpetually brooding Sara Pezzini look like a street tramp with constant migraine. She's certainly a memorable heroine. And Mamiko Noto is a very appropriate seiyuu for her. She’s rather versatile, as many of you have already noted, having voiced the cheery boisterous Masane, throaty blood-lustful WB Masane and even providing an ending theme song (which I actually listen to for every episode of the fansubs; yes, it’s that good enough for me to waste some time hearing out the lyrics).

Rihoko is genuinely cute and likeable (in fact, I am using her face as a template for any anime toddlers I am drawing; no more toddler Naruto template for me), unlike the many cute but irritating anime kids out there.

Unfortunately, Gonzo’s work is far from perfect. Here are some beefs I have with the presentation of the anime:

I do not like the original design for WB Masane (primary level form); too much skin, and yet she gets to retain her casual clothes. I say when a bimbo's combat mode is designed near-naked, let there be a transformation where the clothes get ripped to shreds in the first place. It doesn't make sense for the Witchblade to return her clothes when she powers down. There's always a half-assed way to cover her up strategically when that happens. The recolouring for the TV broadcast made her look better, but the make-over is very obvious, especially when a scene depicts WB Masane up front head to heel.

What's with the fluid stuff leaking out of them whenever they get injured? And PURPLE meat? (This is noticeable after CB Shiori had made a cross on WB Masane's chest.) Gonzo just loves characters designed with major color contrasts. I say gimme crimson ichor, vitae and flesh anytime someone human (or superhuman) gets kiri-ed, and make them splash and spray like real blood. It's just too viscous, the gray milky goop coming out of the Blade-women and the Dohji products.

The final episode's last scene could have been more of a tear-jerker if they hadn't included any dialogue other than Masane's telepathic last words to Rihoko. Rihoko calling out to her mom and pointing her out for Takayama to see just ruin everything. And the twinkling noises when the I-weapons' lifeforce is sucked out -- GOD. I heard it in the Evangelion movie when everyone's soul goes to heaven or somewhere all across the globe, heard it overused in Sailor-moon (I watched only a few eps of this; *brbrrr*), heard it spoil the otherwise decent sound effects of spells in Slayers... Gonzo could have used whispers, howls or just whooshes, but twinkling accompanied with SPARKLING dust. Pah!

As for the comics, which I got from a good samaritan online, I initially liked it. The noir feel of the setting (in crime-ridden New York) was decent enough to compare it to 100 Bullets or Sin City (though it still falls flat in comparison). Sara Pezzini was understandably designed to appeal to young males’ libido, but she has street-smarts and guts appropriate for a detective, and enough emotional fragility as befitting her sad past.

Unfortunately, the plot was hijacked by commercialism from issue 20 onwards. The Darkness/Witchblade crossovers was very confusing and some characters whom I really did not like comes back for more appearances (namely Kenneth Irons; he could have been a deliciously evil hunk, but when he died the first time, I realized he’s nothing more than a pretentious hypocrite).

Up to issue 97, things have pretty much been soured by bad plot/story twists, as well as fan-voting democracy. In fact, Kenneth Irons's new assassin, some Jap yakuza guy known as Tora No Shi, was voted to be killed off just two or three issues after his return, which was planned to make him a main character. Yeah, he sucked. Considering that he only appeared in two issues before that and he was voted to be killed off so quickly, I don't think American WB fans would warm up to the idea of a Japanese main. This bodes ill for Funimation and Top Cow's attempt to franchise WB as an anime.

As for Ken Irons, he was killed by Joe Siry (which is the most interesting looking character in Witchblade; I like the way his veins pop out when he yells at Sara or Jake). Thank God he died (again) and Joe didn't, but Sara's long-time partner and one of the very few male characters in Witchblade whom I most sympathize with, killed himself. NOW THAT SUCKED. BIG TIME.

If Joe Siry dies, I am not following the comics series anymore.

Hopefully, when Top Cow goes bankrupt Gonzo would buy it over, AFTER replacing everyone in its own marketing department. After that, they can think of a proper Witchblade sequel to make up for the first story.

Post-Notes:

What's the Witchblade anime's ranking in Japan's top show lists? Did it reach below 20? Did Mamiko Noto really do all that exhaling for the background music in the action sequences?

My currently most hated cute-but-irritating anime kid happens to be Kotarou of Black Blood Brothers. I knew I was going to hate him when he appeared in the pilot episode, and this was confirmed when he banged his bro’s coffin repeatedly until he literally had his face smacked INTO the floor. Needless to say, I didn’t laugh when that happened but instead wished that he had been hit harder so much that his cute vampire boy face would penetrate the ship’s hull and taste sea water. I won’t be watching this show as long as this kid is still alive.

In case you are wondering whether I have something against vampire kids, yes I do, but only because those I know so far are worthless characters.

Example I: In Trinity Blood, the young duke Ion screams of servicing the Japs’ desires for cute gaki’s. He’s a totally redundant character, and the plot would have been more or less the same without him. One instance would be the revelation of the Empress’ body double as being his grand-aunt. This twist was too convenient and only served to tell viewers that his family is alive and well and crud. Ion is a worthless character, little fighting prowess (compared to other Methuselah) and all that.

Example II: Please don’t hate me when I say Riku should have been in the garbage bin for reject Blood+ characters. He is just plain dumb and ama-i, and even more worthless later as Saya’s Chevalier. At the very least he could have been jumping and zipping around with gusto (and a short sword) like Ion, but no, despite my hope that he would be. At least the storywriters realized this and gave him some worth by making him the father of Diva’s children after she raped him to death. Can’t say I don’t pity him when he died in a shocking parody of “Boy Meets Girl” fashion, but I am also glad that he’s gone.

Oh yes, there can be a sequel to Witchblade. There's a big huge question (and exclamation) mark in the ending of the anime, big enough to support a sequel. The hint for this possibility? The shell that formed out of energy particles and landed in Riko-chan’s hands. Considering that the Witchblade can actually take on any form (like the odd tattoo on Masane’s wrist before it awakened in Episode 1), the shell, at least to me, is screaming “I’m the Witchblade, a-ho! You’re next!” Unfortunately, this means that either Masane would have to come back with a straight-out-of-the-ass plothole technique (quoting from Zzz…’s reply in W-rex’s blog) or Rihoko becoming the next wielder (which is a major no-no). I prefer the former plot for the sequel, but the only way to make up for this corny development is to have so many heart-wrenching plot twists that the sequel would not be fit for viewers below the mature age.

Oh yeah, thanks for telling me that there weren’t many side products involving the Witchblade anime, chrno. I would have hated Gonzo had it been otherwise. I guess this happens when Gonzo does not try to own all the damn rights to Witchblade in the first place, so that it could brainstorm a more appealing story and better promotion for it. As for Top Cow, it should have realized that it is doomed and sold the rights to Gonzo.
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Old 2006-10-13, 10:51   Link #398
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Episode 9 version two.

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Japanese fan blog Shigerog mk-II has posted extensive screenshots comparing the Japanese DVD version of Witchblade episode 9 to its original television broadcast version. Characters have been extensively redrawn for the DVD version, eliminating poor quality designs used in the original broadcast. The left side screenshots are the DVD version; the right side screenshots come from the TV broadcast.
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Old 2006-10-13, 13:12   Link #399
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Really nice Guido. Looks like the DVD version of Witchblade was seriously redrawn for the characters' features. The expressions look more serious instead of being cartoony. Is it just me or Masane has nipples showing through her tank top and shirt ? I hope Funimation releases the remastered DVD version here in the States instead of the TV broadcast. ADV had the TV version of Gravion and its sequel Zwei. The series doesn't look like it's going to be aired on Adult Swim. Trinity Blood is just slow-paced and really weird with the plot.
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Old 2006-10-14, 00:10   Link #400
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Whoa

WHOA. Rpgman1 and Guido, those are some MAJOR DIFFERENCES. Most of the changes are for the better, but some I did not like (making Masane look more moe when she sleeps or is drunk does not strike me as an improvement). The TV version is crappy by comparison. And yes rpgman1 those are chikubi's. Seems like the veteran animators for Gonzo overlooked the fact that Masane would have to have very hard nippies if they show through BOTH the top and shirt. However, kudos to them for making Masane more luscious. This just proves that with a little more love and effort (and experience; heh heh) any anime person can be rendered prettier.

BTW, if you are an open-minded liberal person who does not mind viewing smut associated with main-stream anime, i.e. hentai doujins and animated short hentai movies, you will be able to gauge just how attractive an anime babe is by the number of doujins and hentai shorts that have her as the, ahem, main, and how fast they are published. And so far, just about every regular hentai artist had a go at Masane. Oh wait, that didn't sound right... scratch that, I meant that every hentai artist had done one product that involves her.

However, if you do actually surf for smut parodies, AVOID any doujin that has nothing more or less than Masane in a sensous pose. The rest I find sickening and had them going straight into the Recycle Bin.

That just reminds me how liberal the Japanese can get with their art products.

(Not all anime babes end up having doujins that involve them though. Some, like Asagiri Junko from Sunabouzu and Rushuna Tendo from Grenadier never got any, or at least any that I have yet to come across. This goes to show how weird the Japs can be as well.)
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