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Old 2004-12-03, 04:19   Link #561
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7 is up guys, sorry for the wait =)
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Old 2004-12-03, 10:28   Link #562
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For moe, “cute in a childish way” sounds right to me. As far as I can read it, one major Japanese site says moe (pron. mo-ay) refers to feelings of love for an anime, manga or game character (or seiyuu or idol). The feeling is "stronger" than suki and is for girls or young women who seem cute (kawaiirashii) and sweet and innocent (ijirashii). Hazuki certainly fits, but maybe Luna doesn’t? The feeling is “primitive”, like a reflex of the nervous system. In Japanese, it appears that the word applies mainly to the feeling, and only then to the characters who inspire it.

There are several theories about where the word comes from. The main theory seems to be that it comes from the heroine of the anime Dinosaur Planet (1993), SAGISAWA Moe. Another idea is that it’s from the name of Sailor Venus (TOMOE Hotaru, 1992). Or it might be from the shojo manga Taiyo Ni Smash! (1993), which has the character TAKATSU Moe (not sure about the pronunciation of the surname).

I thought it related to girls who were just coming of age (“sprouting”), but I don’t see that mentioned. It’s more that those feelings of love “sprout” (moeru 萌える ) or “burn” (also moeru but written 燃える ). Maybe someone can say. Some people apparently think the “sprout” kanji is a typo for the “burn” one.

One thing I read even goes so far as to lay out the top ten names for girls born in Japan over the last 15 years, and points out that the kanji 萌 (“sprout”) began to appear on the list in 1993, rose to first place in 1998, and was back to 7th place in 2002. “Moe” has been nominated this year in an annual contest in Japan for word of the year.

There's more info in English at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo%E9
The two links at the bottom of the page are interesting, including one that supposedly presents the archetypal “Moé-tan”. I got my info mainly from this Japanese page:
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/keyword/%cb%a8%a4%a8

As for which characters are moe, that’s dealt with at length in one of the English links, where the author says that Sakura of CCS, and Sailor Venus, and Kokoro from Kokoro Library are prime examples, but that somewhat older figures such as Chi from Chobits and Minawa from Mahoromatic are also moe. But none of the primary characters in Onegai Teacher or Love Hina are moe, because they’re too mature and independent. One Japanese blog I read today said with exclamation marks that Hazuki in the new OP (as of episode 9) is truly moe.

Sorry for the long post.
Interesting post, Kaoru Chujo. I have only one comment to make, Tomoe Hotaru from Sailor Moon is actually Sailor Saturn, the warrior of destruction, not Sailor Venus (who is Minako).
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Old 2004-12-03, 14:14   Link #563
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... Tomoe Hotaru from Sailor Moon is actually Sailor Saturn, the warrior of destruction, not Sailor Venus (who is Minako).
Thanks for the correction. My bad.
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Old 2004-12-03, 22:02   Link #564
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Yea!! mahou have released ep.7, my fav part was the ending song ^^ and great subs by mahou made it even better, cant wait till next ep.

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Old 2004-12-03, 23:52   Link #565
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Episode 7 is my favourite so far. I felt sorry for Hazuki but first and foremost I agreed with Kouhei's stance. But the ending was good and we're treated to Elfriede doing the next episode preview this time, that's a nice change.

The new ED, whether it's a one ep only or the new ED, is also available on the ED Single.
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Old 2004-12-04, 03:20   Link #566
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Episode 7 is my favourite so far. I felt sorry for Hazuki but first and foremost I agreed with Kouhei's stance. But the ending was good and we're treated to Elfriede doing the next episode preview this time, that's a nice change.

The new ED, whether it's a one ep only or the new ED, is also available on the ED Single.
Ah, I like Hazuki doing the preview better. Her "Fullu Fullu Fullu MOOOOON!" just sounds a lot cuter.
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Old 2004-12-04, 10:58   Link #567
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Hmm... well just noticed the comments about the "new" opening and ending. It's great to see that the c/w songs from the singles are being used.

I think there were two other songs used in the anime so far as well, I wonder if those will be put out on a single. (I'd have to remember when in the episodes they were... it was in the first 4 episodes, that much I know. Maybe more songs now since I haven't watched since then.)
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Old 2004-12-05, 16:05   Link #568
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Hmm... well just noticed the comments about the "new" opening and ending. It's great to see that the c/w songs from the singles are being used.
What exactly does c/w stand for? I've always wondered this.
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Old 2004-12-05, 21:43   Link #569
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Just wondering, who is putting out the best version of this show? Also, is there there insentive of a less edted version on DVD, or was there simply no content to merit that?
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Old 2004-12-06, 03:40   Link #570
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Just wondering, who is putting out the best version of this show? Also, is there there insentive of a less edted version on DVD, or was there simply no content to merit that?

Mahou's has a better translation, Studio ADTRW has stopped I believe, and Suger-Cube is still on 3.
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Old 2004-12-06, 14:39   Link #571
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Just wondering, who is putting out the best version of this show?
Let's not get into this debate again. It turned into a flame war the last time it was mentioned. Pretty soon this thread may get closed.

Anyway, I saw episode seven and felt like beating the crap out of Kouhei after what he did. But right at the end, I finally understood him better. Yeah, he's a good guy. Still a numbskull though.

Although...
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Old 2004-12-06, 15:14   Link #572
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Old 2004-12-06, 20:01   Link #573
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Kids get slapped all the time for disobediance. You have to remember in Japan the cultural values are a lot different than what you are used to
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Old 2004-12-06, 20:06   Link #574
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I'd say that she definitely DID do a thing that's deserved to get slapped.
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Old 2004-12-06, 20:27   Link #575
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Although...
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er..if this is real?

Gomen, i feel stupid now. I still believe in the "laws of Anime" thing, (even though they are seriously outdated, only applies to pre-1996 Animes!)

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Old 2004-12-06, 22:19   Link #576
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Well it's certainly a controversial subject in the west on how to reprimand a child. I'm not going to debate on that.

My take on Kouhei's actions are that Hazuki deserved what she got, plain and simple. Also, Kouhei had given her harsh reproaches many times before.
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Old 2004-12-07, 01:42   Link #577
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About Hazuki getting slapped by Kouhei, well she did deserve it, but still poor hazuki

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Old 2004-12-07, 02:32   Link #578
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Kids get slapped all the time for disobediance. You have to remember in Japan the cultural values are a lot different than what you are used to
Due to liberalistic ideas from the West, many are taking up issues where the line is drawn from punishing a child to child abuse. Some say this is a good thing...others have their own arguments.

Back in my parents' age, it was not uncommon for a child to be slapped on the hand with a ruler at school for severe disobedience (such as getting into a fight) nor for a parent to reprimand their children with some sort of physical pain.

You do that now, the PTA, the media, and the liberal-activists goes nuts. Unfortunately, now you have spoiled brats who think they can get away with anything because all the adults don't have the balls to do so for their own job security.

For example, a kid is found bullying another kid in the school toilet for some cash. The teacher finds the kid and reprimands him by beating him with a shinai. The kid calls his PTA mom, tells her that he was abused by the teacher for no apparent reason. Being the kid's mom, she totally disregards that "my child would never do such a thing." The school wants to maintain its image that it is respectable school. Hence, the teacher is forced to leave the school. Kid goes away scot free.

As for the Western idea of "counseling," I doubt that'll work in such a society where we are brought up to settle private matters by yourself.

Remember, this is a society many people commit suicide rather than get counseling. They are too ashamed to ask someone for help since that is being basically telling everyone that you are a failure. This is a horrible humilation not only for yourself, but for all your immediate families (if you are a failure, then so are your parents because they failed to bring you up to success). This is a society where humiliation is worse than death itself.
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Old 2004-12-07, 05:06   Link #579
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Yup, it's not uncommon for schools here to whip disobedient students' hands as punishment. Also remember Hazuki is not a normal child, how her mind works is different from that of a normal child anyway. But then I'm no expert on vampire psyche, the D&D source book I have on hand says they all go insane over time

BTW, for moe and the stereotypical otaku image, I have found a picture
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Old 2004-12-07, 05:26   Link #580
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Well, I had decided to just roll with the punches but I didn't realize my opinion would cause so much response. So now I believe I have to take my stance because this is something that I feel strongly about.

First of all, I may have gone overboard because this is an anime afterall and scriptwriters would create whatever scenarios they feel will get the audiences absorbed.

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