Marimite S2 Ep.12 (official thread)

[Takemi_Ikazuchi]

Kei's actress is 斎賀 みつき who also plays Tsukasa in .hack//sign
Sei's of course is 豊口 めぐみ who incidentally plays Black Rose
The circle is complete

Sei is cute when she tilts her head

I finallly figured out what Touko's problem is. She may not be necessarily evil, but she sure does look the part. That image of her will never change.

...Was that a sentai parody in the next previews? Ha ha..

[Shigan]

*rolls thumbs, waiting for raw*

ARGH!

Still not, we need Subaru's too.

[Proto]

Fo people who would like write a summary, after some thanks in advance I'd like to ask no future spoilers from the novels Thanks ^^

[laurore31]

Originally Posted by ProtoMan

Fo people who would like write a summary, after some thanks in advance I'd like to ask no future spoilers from the novels Thanks ^^

if there is a spoiler, you should not read it ;-)

[Proto]

I referred to unmasked spoilers Sorry for the misunderstanding

[Takemi_Ikazuchi]

To make it really really short,

Spoiler:

Yumi is in the "I just got over a painful relationship and I'm okay by myself" phase

[Shigan]

Um...if you don't want spoilers, why are you in the "official episode 12" thread at all?

Ah, Yumi got that umbrella from her grandfather, that's why she values it so much. ^^ how cute

I was rather surprised at that Sachiko was totally absent from this episode. It would somehow have been interesting to see how she was thinking of the whole thing too, I know the show is Yumi-centric () but Shimako and Yoshino did get their deal of the introspectiviness. Sachiko still remains almost as big of a questionmark for me as she did way back in season 1, you get a few bits and bits from her background, but nothing really solid to base her personality on.

Are the novels only told from Yumi's year too? But then, Sei did get her share ^^

[Proto]

Um...if you don't want spoilers, why are you in the "official episode 12" thread at all?

That's why I said future spoilers (ie what will happen beyond chapter 12) Again sorry for misexplaning myself

[mrm]

Seems that after all this, Sachiko will need Yumi more than Yumi needs her...
As Yumi finally noticed she can live normally without her Onee-sama.

[SleeplessHeart]

I think I got a clue. If you have read the novel, tell me if I am correct.

Spoiler for Episode 13:

Were Katou Yumi and Sachiko's grandmother soeurs when they were in Lillian?

[guest]

Originally Posted by Takemi_Ikazuchi

...Was that a sentai parody in the next previews? Ha ha..

I have heard of this a lot but....what is "sentai?"

[mintyfresh]

Originally Posted by guest

I have heard of this a lot but....what is "sentai?"

"sentai" is basically the power ranger-like team of crime fighters trend (i.e., kamen riders, gatchaman, etc), that began in Japan. ^^

[kj1980]

Originally Posted by SleeplessHeart

I think I got a clue. If you have read the novel, tell me if I am correct.

Spoiler for Episode 13:

Were Katou Yumi and Sachiko's grandmother soeurs when they were in Lillian?

I HIGHLY URGE YOU NOT TO READ THE FOLLOWING SPOILER UNLESS YOU ARE TRULY PREPARED TO BE SPOILED FOR A GOOD STORY IN THE NEXT EPISODE

Spoiler:

The name is incorrect.

Katou Kei is a student-tenant living in Ikegami Yumiko's house.

Other than that you are correct. It is not clearly written in the novel, but it is obviously apparent that Ikegami Yumiko and Ayako-sama (Sachiko's maternal grandmother) were great friends (most likely soeurs) when they were at Lillian.

A brief synopsis of what is written in the novel is:

A. Yumiko-san visits Lillian and meets up with Yumi, Touko, and Sei. She gives thanks to Yumi for "making me realize to meet with my beloved friend that I haven't seen in ages...and this time I can really say that 'I'm sorry.' "

B. No mention of who Yumiko's friend is made here - just that she is in grave condition and is currently in a hospice, spending her last days in a peaceful location. Yumiko-san leaves a message to Yumi and Sei to tell Kei that she will be leaving the house for a few days.

C. Flash foward to a certain scene where Sachiko and Yumi resolves their issues and tightens their soeur relationship even stronger after this crisis. Sachiko's maternal grandmother - Ayako just passed away. When Ayako's death was looming near, Ayako began to mutter the name "of a very old friend" and that she wanted to meet her one last time. Once again, never is Ayako's "old friend's" name is ever given.

D. Sachiko, wanting to grant her grandmother's last wish, began franticly searching for her grandmother's lost friend - but when she did and tried to call her house, there was nobody there - it seems that she left her house for a few days. In despair, Sachiko hung up the phone. But when Sachiko looked up, by miracle, her grandmother's old friend was standing right next to her!!

E. In a moment of thought, Yumi thought up of a very elegant lady with a white parasol going off to meet her best friend. Do miracles exist?


Hence, the novel does not note down who the "other friend" is from both Yumiko-san and Ayako-san's perspectives. But it is pretty obvious and noted that they were most likely soeurs.

I am actually really looking foward on how the anime portrays these parts - as a novel reader, I really do hope that they do leave each other's friend's name as anonymous, yet as clearly obvious to the viewers that they were just like the novel.

[kj1980]

Hence, by analyzing the above spoiler and the August 2004 issue of Cobalt Magazine, you get few good relationship backgrounds:

Spoiler:

Fukuzawa Yumi - our main heroine of this story. Currently, she the Rosa Chinensis en bouton. Her grand(e) soeur is Ogasawara Sachiko. Current top candidates for her own petit(e) soeur are Matsudaira Touko and Hosokawa Kanako. She is the idol of several Hanadera members.

Fukuzawa Yuuki - Yumi's younger brother. Currently, he is the Student Body President of Hanadera. Kashiwagi Suguru is very annoying for him. He thinks Touko-chan "is rather cute."

Fukuzawa Yuuichiro - Yumi and Yuuki's Dad. He owns a small architectural design company.

Fukuzawa Miki - Yumi and Yuuki's Mom, her maiden name was Houribe. She has a younger sister named Taeko. Was a former student of Lillian - and was a huge fan of a person with the surname "Kiku-something" and nicknamed "Saako-sama"


Ogasawara Sachiko - Currently the Rosa Chinensis. Her grand(e) soeur was Mizuno Youko. Her petit(e) soeur is Fukuzawa Yumi. Her paternal grandfather is the head of the Ogasawara Group conglomerate.

Ogasawara Tooru - Sachiko's father. Former student of Hanadera.

Ogasawara Sayako - Sachiko's mother, her maiden name was "Kiku-something."

Kiku-something Ayako - Sachiko's maternal grandmather. Recently passed away. She had a very great friend - Ikegami Yumiko, whom she was granted to see for one last time before she passed away.


Regarding "Kiku-something" surname
In the August 2004 issue of Cobalt Magazine, Konno Oyuki penned a short story entitled "Toshokan no Hon" ("The Library Book"). A brief synopsis of this story was told with a person named Miki being the main character.

Miki was a fan of a thrid-year student who was nicknamed "Saako-sama." One day, Miki finds her idol sleeping like a fairy in the greenhouse. Saako-sama suddenly wakes up - realizing that she had dozed off in the warm sunlight, she asks Miki the time and heads off to her next class.

However, while Saako-sama left as elegantly as always, she seemed to be in such a hurry that she left behind her book. The book was titled "Makura no Soushi" and it was a book that was borrowed from the Lillian Student Library.

Miki faithfully returned the book to Saako-sama. However, Miki wanted to read that book as well - so she checked the library frequently to see if Saako-sama had returned the book back. One day, the book was returned at the library, so Miki subsequently borrowed it. However, the end of the school year was looming.

Miki's peers were in a mood where they were getting autographs from their elders whom they've idolized. Miki's friend, Yasumi-san was no exception as she received an autograph from Rosa Foetida.

Perhaps Miki was not clearly thinking straight that day. As she was going to the school library to get an extension on her "Makura no Soushi" that she borrowed. There, she once again met Saako-sama. Whatever was going on inside Miki's mind that day, she asked for Saako-sama's autograph - in the inner cover of the "Makura no Soushi" that she borrowed.

Only when Miki returned home did she realize what she had done - she had ruined school property. Feeling guilty on what she had done, she decided to go and buy a new "Makura no Soushi" and gave that back to the library. And quoting from the story:

Hence "Makura no Soushi" once again returned to its classical series. However, the book that Miki bought was of a newer edition so within the purple front covers of the series, one stood out as with the newer, pink front cover.

As Miki came to this row of library books each time, her heart churns on what she had done. However, she vowed to never forget her mishap, so she would frequently come and visit this row of books.

The one book with the different front cover.

Perhaps this hurt-feeling is something that I must carry on for the rest of my life. Even if I graduate - and even if I get married and have my own children...



"Hmm?" said Shimako-san. As Yumi and Yoshino gathered, Shimako-san pointed out one section of the row of books in the school library - "this one book has a different front cover than the other series."

The book they found with the different pink cover among the purples was titled "Makura no Soushi."


" 'Makura no Soushi'...Hmm"
"What is it Yumi-san?"
"I don't know, I just remembered something"
"What did you just remember?" asked Shimako-san.
"Yes. We have this same book at my house."
"This?" asked Yoshino-san with the book she just borrowed in her hands.

"No. The 'Makura no Soushi' one. It was buried deep within my home's closet"
"In the closet? Not in the bookcase?"
"Yes. I just thought that my mom didn't like classics so I didn't give it much thought at the time."
"Well, if she hates classics, I don't think she would keep it. Besides, how did you know that it was your mom's?"

Sherlock Yoshino begins to go through investigation mode.

"Good question...I wonder why I came with that conclusion...Oh wait, now I remember. It was personalized. It read 'To Houribe Miki-san.' Houribe was my mother's maiden name."

"Ah, so Yumi-san's mother's name is Miki. Then I take that your father's name is something like Yuuichi or Yuuta?"

"...." Close. It is Yuuichiro.

"If it was personalized 'To Houribe Miki-san,' then it must've been a present."
"Oh yes, now I'm starting to remember a little bit more. It had another name on it. Ehh...what was it....Kiku-something Sayako. Wait, normally that kanji is more used as Kiyoko in that sense."

Once after Yumi had met Ogasawara Sayako-sama, Yumi began to read the kanji 「清」 as "Saya" all the time (that kanji can be both read as "Saya," "Sei" and/or "Kiyo")

"Yumi-san, your mother was a former student of Lillian wasn't she not? Maybe that book at your house's closet used to be here." said Yoshino-san jokingly.

"Oh, come now" laughed Yumi. But perhaps, that idea may not be as too farfetched thought Yumi to herself.

[Takemi_Ikazuchi]

Now that you mention it, I realized a lot of things in Marimite are full circle.

...and that applies to the other characters as well

[gourami]

Originally Posted by kj1980

Hence, by analyzing the above spoiler and the August 2004 issue of Cobalt Magazine, you get few good relationship backgrounds:

Spoiler:

Fukuzawa Yumi - our main heroine of this story. Currently, she the Rosa Chinensis en bouton. Her grand(e) soeur is Ogasawara Sachiko. Current top candidates for her own petit(e) soeur are Matsudaira Touko and Hosokawa Kanako. She is the idol of several Hanadera members.

Fukuzawa Yuuki - Yumi's younger brother. Currently, he is the Student Body President of Hanadera. Kashiwagi Suguru is very annoying for him. He thinks Touko-chan "is rather cute."

Fukuzawa Yuuichiro - Yumi and Yuuki's Dad. He owns a small architectural design company.

Fukuzawa Miki - Yumi and Yuuki's Mom, her maiden name was Houribe. She has a younger sister named Taeko. Was a former student of Lillian - and was a huge fan of a person with the surname "Kiku-something" and nicknamed "Saako-sama"


Ogasawara Sachiko - Currently the Rosa Chinensis. Her grand(e) soeur was Mizuno Youko. Her petit(e) soeur is Fukuzawa Yumi. Her paternal grandfather is the head of the Ogasawara Group conglomerate.

Ogasawara Tooru - Sachiko's father. Former student of Hanadera.

Ogasawara Sayako - Sachiko's mother, her maiden name was "Kiku-something."

Kiku-something Saiko - Sachiko's maternal grandmather. Recently passed away. She had a very great friend - Ikegami Yumiko, whom she was granted to see for one last time before she passed away.


Regarding "Kiku-something" surname
In the August 2004 issue of Cobalt Magazine, Konno Oyuki penned a short story entitled "Toshokan no Hon" ("The Library Book"). A brief synopsis of this story was told with a person named Miki being the main character.

Miki was a fan of a thrid-year student who was nicknamed "Saako-sama." One day, Miki finds her idol sleeping like a fairy in the greenhouse. Saako-sama suddenly wakes up - realizing that she had dozed off in the warm sunlight, she asks Miki the time and heads off to her next class.

However, while Saako-sama left as elegantly as always, she seemed to be in such a hurry that she left behind her book. The book was titled "Makura no Soushi" and it was a book that was borrowed from the Lillian Student Library.

Miki faithfully returned the book to Saako-sama. However, Miki wanted to read that book as well - so she checked the library frequently to see if Saako-sama had returned the book back. One day, the book was returned at the library, so Miki subsequently borrowed it. However, the end of the school year was looming.

Miki's peers were in a mood where they were getting autographs from their elders whom they've idolized. Miki's friend, Yasumi-san was no exception as she received an autograph from Rosa Foetida.

Perhaps Miki was not clearly thinking straight that day. As she was going to the school library to get an extension on her "Makura no Soushi" that she borrowed. There, she once again met Saako-sama. Whatever was going on inside Miki's mind that day, she asked for Saako-sama's autograph - in the inner cover of the "Makura no Soushi" that she borrowed.

Only when Miki returned home did she realize what she had done - she had ruined school property. Feeling guilty on what she had done, she decided to go and buy a new "Makura no Soushi" and gave that back to the library. And quoting from the story:

Hence "Makura no Soushi" once again returned to its classical series. However, the book that Miki bought was of a newer edition so within the purple front covers of the series, one stood out as with the newer, pink front cover.

As Miki came to this row of library books each time, her heart churns on what she had done. However, she vowed to never forget her mishap, so she would frequently come and visit this row of books.

The one book with the different front cover.

Perhaps this hurt-feeling is something that I must carry on for the rest of my life. Even if I graduate - and even if I get married and have my own children...



"Hmm?" said Shimako-san. As Yumi and Yoshino gathered, Shimako-san pointed out one section of the row of books in the school library - "this one book has a different front cover than the other series."

The book they found with the different pink cover among the purples was titled "Makura no Soushi."


" 'Makura no Soushi'...Hmm"
"What is it Yumi-san?"
"I don't know, I just remembered something"
"What did you just remember?" asked Shimako-san.
"Yes. We have this same book at my house."
"This?" asked Yoshino-san with the book she just borrowed in her hands.

"No. The 'Makura no Soushi' one. It was buried deep within my home's closet"
"In the closet? Not in the bookcase?"
"Yes. I just thought that my mom didn't like classics so I didn't give it much thought at the time."
"Well, if she hates classics, I don't think she would keep it. Besides, how did you know that it was your mom's?"

Sherlock Yoshino begins to go through investigation mode.

"Good question...I wonder why I came with that conclusion...Oh wait, now I remember. It was personalized. It read 'To Houribe Miki-san.' Houribe was my mother's maiden name."

"Ah, so Yumi-san's mother's name is Miki. Then I take that your father's name is something like Yuuichi or Yuuta?"

"...." Close. It is Yuuichiro.

"If it was personalized 'To Houribe Miki-san,' then it must've been a present."
"Oh yes, now I'm starting to remember a little bit more. It had another name on it. Ehh...what was it....Kiku-something Sayako. Wait, normally that kanji is more used as Kiyoko in that sense."

Once after Yumi had met Ogasawara Sayako-sama, Yumi began to read the kanji 「清」 as "Saya" all the time (that kanji can be both read as "Saya," "Sei" and/or "Kiyo")

"Yumi-san, your mother was a former student of Lillian wasn't she not? Maybe that book at your house's closet used to be here." said Yoshino-san jokingly.

"Oh, come now" laughed Yumi. But perhaps, that idea may not be as too farfetched thought Yumi to herself.

Thanks KJ1980 for yet another detailed entry~ ^^

From this short story, it seemed like Yumi's affection for her onee sama is... genetic? hahahahaha~ that's just so cute!

[Sweets Yumi]

Goodness, Japanese people are messed up (not being rude, this just shocked me).

Spoiler:

Miki checked out a book that Saako read and accendently has her sign the book then feels guilty that the book is ruined?

I can't see any Americans reacting like this...

-exagerates-
No...no!! Look what I've done!! My god what sort of person am I!! ::rips out hair::
-end of exageration-

Buying a new book is a simple thing to do, what's the big deal if the cover is a differnet colour?


-exagerates-
Now I must go and see the books everyday, and see...Yes! See for myself what an awful person I am.. Look me...Look at the colour that doesn't match!!
-end of exageration-

Originally Posted by Miki

"Perhaps this hurt-feeling is something that I must carry on for the rest of my life. Even if I graduate - and even if I get married and have my own children..."

o.O Gee wiz...it's not that big of a deal. And she hadn't messed up the original book on purpose so why beat yourself up so bad...




It's a cute story though, that her daughter passes those same books from all those years earlier..But the beating herself up over something pointless like that, is completely over my head.

[FubaredByAnime]

Goodness, Japanese people are messed up (not being rude, this just shocked me).

It's just a fictional story, so you can't use that as a generalization of any culture. Besides, anecdotes like this do sometimes transcend the boundaries of anyone's imaginations. Kinda like "Meet the parents" with that scene involving the cat and some paint.

[kj1980]

Originally Posted by Sweets Yumi

Goodness, Japanese people are messed up (not being rude, this just shocked me).

Spoiler:

Miki checked out a book that Saako read and accendently has her sign the book then feels guilty that the book is ruined?

I can't see any Americans reacting like this...

-exagerates-
No...no!! Look what I've done!! My god what sort of person am I!! ::rips out hair::
-end of exageration-

Buying a new book is a simple thing to do, what's the big deal if the cover is a differnet colour?


-exagerates-
Now I must go and see the books everyday, and see...Yes! See for myself what an awful person I am.. Look me...Look at the colour that doesn't match!!
-end of exageration-




o.O Gee wiz...it's not that big of a deal. And she hadn't messed up the original book on purpose so why beat yourself up so bad...




It's a cute story though, that her daughter passes those same books from all those years earlier..But the beating herself up over something pointless like that, is completely over my head.

Spoiler:

I kept the spoiler as short as possible, but since you need a longer and more descriptive analysis on what happened there (which I left out because it is rather meaningless to write this part down on the summary):

Actually, the school librarian looked at Miki in a weird way on why she went through all that trouble in buying a new book. Students borrow books, and it is inadverdent that school books gets dirty, ripped, etc.

The librarian looked at Miki with a weird look with the quote "You know, you could've just returned it...it's not like that you are going to get penalized for some marking on the book. So long as you return it, and if we decide that it isn't fit to be checked in for the library, we can just send it back and ask for a replacement at our cost, you know?"

The point here that I failed to mention was that:

A. Miki felt guilty in "defacing school property" on a book that her beloved Saako-sama had checked out
B. That she "defaced school property" with her beloved Saako-sama's autograph
C. She couldn't just return it to the school because it was personalized to her
D. She was stuck in a dillemma where if she returned it to the school, everyone will know her "secret" (getting a personalized autograph from Saako-sama)
E. Nor did she want Saako-sama getting put on the same blame game

Out of the five guilts that Miki felt, most likely it is E. that bothered her the most. Knowingly or unknowingly, Miki jumped to the chance of getting Saako-sama's autograph. Whether Miki was thinking clearly or not that day, what she did was indirectly made Saako-sama involved in "defacing school property." The "lightness" of the act is not the point - it is Miki inadverdently pulling in Saako-sama into the blame game if someone found out.

However, it is important to note that Miki was at Lillian when Japan was still in a much more conservative standard. Especially since Lillian is a strict Catholic school, it maybe just be that Miki was too naive and rather taking such rules to the extreme - to ponder such lengths when a modern day Lillian student such as Yumi, Yoshino, or Shimako might've found a more liberal minded solution had they happened to them.

[Sweets Yumi]

kj1980, Oh I hadn't really thought it out. A & B were about as far as I could see a problem.


I hadn't even thought far enough for E.


Sorry, I always end up making you explain things so much to me.


And least it makes more sense to me now.






FubaredByAnime, I never saw Meet the Parents. *boohoo*