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Old 2006-06-28, 15:03   Link #461
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Now let's find out that karasuma actually has a crush on eri so we have one huge love quadrilateral here, but that'll happen only in my dreams
The theory first popped up when we were discussing the omiai arc - with Karasuma thought to be a potential identity of the mystery fiancee. Speaking of which, we still don't know who the current mystery fiancee/"the boss" is, yet. Any guesses? I'm hoping that it's who I think it is.

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And didn't Eri make a move on Karasuma at the beginning of the manga? For whatever reason, she wanted to steal him from Tenma.
Eri was tired of seeing Tenma so indecisive about making a move on Karasuma, so she decided to provoke Tenma into taking action. That's also why she secretly gets Karasuma to encourage Tenma during the baseball game, two episodes later. It's all part of being a good friend.

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He won't. He knows that if he does that every ErixHarima fan will run him to the grave.
You won't have to worry about it replacing Flag, even if it does come up. I think that it would make for an excellent support faction for Flag, in the way that Marker/Onigiri/Pencil have been in the past. Karasuma doesn't have to have a crush on Eri, either - both have parents living in foreign places, which could turn the fiancee issue into the link between the two. If Karasuma can show up anywhere doing any job, it's not that much of a stretch for him to also be the boss of a gang of thugs on the side.

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Lol, I think it's kinda funny how eri seems to be sort of developing tunnel vision on harima. Not nearly as bad as what he's got on tenma, but the fact that she's become the last part of a line of trailers, karasuma < tenma < harima < eri, and thinking about how to get away from mikoto/akira/tenma without being awkward to go be with harima is hilarious to me
I don't think 'tunnel vision' is the phrase that you're looking for. The omiai arc showed us that Eri isn't obsessively interested in Harima - she just as easily falls for Employee A. While Employee A and Harima are one in the same, this illustrates that Eri is attracted to Harima for who he really is, rather than than simply being attracted the "concept" of Harima.

In Harima's case, it's the reverse; Harima can only see his personal vision of "Tenma", rather than the girl herself. As such, the love triangle between him, Tenma, and Karasuma is reduced, in Harima's mind, to a contest between himself and Karasuma. To Harima, Tenma's feelings are something that can be battled for and won, and Tenma's own desires as an individual rarely, if ever, enter into the picture.

Harima's perceptions of Eri and Tenma are still locked down in his first impressions of them, and any observed disparity between his perceptions and their behavior gets rationalized away. Even on the odd occasion that Harima is forced to revise his opinions, you can still the mental struggle that he goes through to retain his original set of views (ch.152 is a great example). That's the tunnel vision that needs to be overcome, if Harima's ever going to make the transition from anti-hero to hero (regardless of whether he ends up with Tenma or Eri).

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She thinks to herself that Tenma should realize it and give her some space.
And this : is why I don't like Eri...

When I think about it, how hard is it for Harima to tell Eri "Could you leave us (Tenma and him) alone please?"
This chapter (like most of the chapters after Valentine's Day) is a little ironic, in that Harima's situation is exactly parallel to Eri's.

In this chapter, Eri mistakenly thinks that Harima wishes to speak with her, but Tenma is in the way. Harima mistakenly thinks that Tenma wishes to speak with him, but Karasuma is in the way. Eri wishes that Tenma would realize it and give her some space, and Harima tries to force Karasuma to give him some space.

I hope you still like Harima.

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gamepro protip: her coping/defense mechanism is rationalization
I'm not so sure about this one. If I understand correctly, defense mechanisms are supposed to work unconciously. While you could certainly contend that she conciously rationalizes her actions in front of others (which ties back into her fear of rejection), I'm yet to see unconcious rationalization on her part. If anything, her inner monologues show that she is well aware of her true thoughts and the motivations behind her actions. Contrast that with the unconcious rationalization that you can see in Harima's tunnel vision, if you want.

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So Karasuma at this point is still one dimensional? I really can't imagine a Karasuma/Tenma ending. Though it seems kind of impossible now I'm still inclined on the Harima/Tenma ending.
Karasuma's character is developing quite nicely. He gained more depth as a character when he admitted to Tenma that he has difficulty expressing his emotions. What's nice about their relationship is that you see both Tenma and Karasuma maturing through it - Tenma seems to be more calm and at ease with herself, and Karasuma seems more open and friendly.

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Old 2006-06-28, 19:40   Link #462
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I'm not so sure about this one. If I understand correctly, defense mechanisms are supposed to work unconciously. While you could certainly contend that she conciously rationalizes her actions in front of others (which ties back into her fear of rejection), I'm yet to see unconcious rationalization on her part. If anything, her inner monologues show that she is well aware of her true thoughts and the motivations behind her actions. Contrast that with the unconcious rationalization that you can see in Harima's tunnel vision, if you want.
i'll buy that, even though from what i've seen and read, she even tends to question her own actions, minding again that i actually haven't read the entirety of what's available yet

but what i'm seeing (right now) is that sometimes she'll get to the point where she'll try to justify her disposition even in her mind, with just a little bit of doubt in there to trigger that effect

she appears to be in the midst of exploring her feelings and understanding them as something not so emotive, instead of taking the path of tenma and being all superficial (wc) and losing herself in her young feelings

at the same time, eri's guesstimations about herself are ironically leading her to feel just a little more expressive and less like the perceivingly arrogant person people probably originally saw her as, and i believe suou and akira made observations like such

i think whatever she had to guard her feelings with, she just got taken by surprise by harima, as something so heartfelt and expressive (and mistaken) was able to penetrate through that

on the other hand, yeah, i could have jumped the gun with my inference

and you can tell that i'm just throwing out bs right now, but believe you me, i bask in that talent

i'm not sure if it's rejection she fears a whole lot considering her earlier attitude with men before harima, but then again, i'm looking at that idea from a more uneducated perspective, and maybe she does sort of feel that and pushes people away from her more intimate and vulnerable side so they can't reject her which is like the hedgehogs dilemma (and no, i'm not pulling this from evangelion)

and as for falling for harima, it is possible that she could be merely confusing her feelings due to the impact of that one moment, and with her attempt to identify with (and compete against) her peers, she could have just assumed something like that meant something to her, and coincidence and consistency in her thoughts and behavior as observed by herself could have become more symbolic to her than was probably really necessary

and if i'm wrong, then that's better because i do happen to like eri as a character

what the hell am i talking about again as my train of thought completely derailed

multi-track drifting

ps perhaps what i really meant to say was repression

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Old 2006-06-29, 00:25   Link #463
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The thought suddenly comes to mind to ask whether Karasuma has likely figured out Tenma left him the 'Please stay' note at the start of the year. Or whether he thinks someone else wanted him to stay and who he thinks it is...

I'm reading the novel. He knows...

But then again the chapter also says he invites her to dance so take that as you will o_O
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Old 2006-06-29, 00:47   Link #464
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I'm reading the novel. He knows...

But then again the chapter also says he invites her to dance so take that as you will o_O

Looks like it's Tenma x Kurasuma...poor Harima...Go for Yakumo or Eri you dumb @$$ delinquent!!!
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Old 2006-06-29, 01:52   Link #465
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I hope you still like Harima.
Oh, believe me, he can annoy me to no end too!
I perfectly understand Eri when she wishes she could be alone with Harima, but thinking Tenma should notice it and leave them alone? Come on
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Old 2006-06-29, 06:08   Link #466
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Tenma never notices anything. Its like she's lacking a sense or something :P.
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Old 2006-06-29, 09:12   Link #467
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Is it just me or this is the first time I saw eri talking with her inner self?
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Old 2006-06-29, 15:57   Link #468
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Oh, believe me, he can annoy me to no end too!
I perfectly understand Eri when she wishes she could be alone with Harima, but thinking Tenma should notice it and leave them alone? Come on
I'm sure that it would be simpler for Eri to simply tell Tenma that she would like to be left alone, but she would run the risk of either revealing her feelings for Harima or appearing to be rude. Instead, she's stuck wishing that Tenma would simply notice and make her life easy.

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Is it just me or this is the first time I saw eri talking with her inner self?
She's been doing it since at least S1 Ep.10.
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Old 2006-07-01, 10:20   Link #469
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Old 2006-07-01, 12:05   Link #470
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And Eri gets shifted to the sidelines....AGAIN . Is this even a story arc anymore?

Wake me when they get back to school...
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Old 2006-07-01, 12:31   Link #471
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I knew something looked weird with "harima."

Boo! A wash chapter! What a waste of a week!
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Old 2006-07-03, 05:59   Link #472
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Yeah, a wash chapter, though still enjoyable nontheless.

Though have we EVER seen Harima do the noodle thing with his nose? I don't recall seeing it in any of the manga or the anime, so if someone has seen this please refresh my memory
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Old 2006-07-03, 17:15   Link #473
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True no story development in this chapter but you know... it still was pretty damn funny. Seriously I laughed my ass off when he said that "this girl mistook me because of my acting aura or maybe this girl is an idiot"...

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I knew something looked weird with "harima."

Boo! A wash chapter! What a waste of a week!
If Tenma can mistake the actor for Harima, it's entirely possible for Harima to get mistaken for the actor. His fight with Max earlier on seemed like part of a period drama, if I recall correctly.

While this entire chapter might be irrelevant, it might also turn into a setup for something else, down the line. We'll probably return to Eri's story soon enough.
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If Tenma can mistake the actor for Harima, it's entirely possible for Harima to get mistaken for the actor. His fight with Max earlier on seemed like part of a period drama, if I recall correctly.

While this entire chapter might be irrelevant, it might also turn into a setup for something else, down the line. We'll probably return to Eri's story soon enough.

Recall Tenma's Power Rating? Super Stupidy? Hmm makes me wonder if the story arcs are based on the power ratings. If so then Harima's Power rating is maxed out to infinite Ojo,Tenma-chan(without the heart) and Tsukamoto. Eri fans rejoice!


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Typical SR: one step forward, two giant missteps back...
Charm, actor....yep, that's two.

Jin should speed up Karasuma's departure so this story will actually get somewhere soon.
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Charm, actor....yep, that's two.

Jin should speed up Karasuma's departure so this story will actually get somewhere soon.
How is this a step back nevermind two?
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I don't see how it is a step back either.

When you think about it we really know very little about SR chars away from School contexts and mixed with various other peoples. 185 just seemed to be like with the Harima-worker a way to show out how Eri can be around people she doesn't bring up walls against. The results are tremendous no? Seems so much more relaxed and genuinely happy.

The misunderstanding here was merely Tenma being Tenma (In regards to the Yakusha) but then again its not like the relationship of Harima-Eri wasn't a topic since before, just apparently its more of one now.

In all, I can't help but think this is a step forward more then any step back.

A note, seems the series has taken a back seat and all in some ways to more new ones, but I can not express how much patience fans need to eventually see the end. This is more of a comedy before a romance so things will be paced and slow for those who seek the latter. I like to think the day SR ends will be like the day Mahoraba did, a sad one. One we've been eagerly awaiting but at the same time dread to see.
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