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Old 2006-11-18, 17:22   Link #981
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yeah i hope koboyashi doesn't pull anything ridiculous in the next chapter... i hope he just keeps the story moving along so we can finally see important things happen! i hope he takes this chance to develop SOMETHING...eri's feelings for harima, harima and tenma's relationship, whateveR! i just need something to happen!

anyways, i'm getting the feeling eri might take revenge when they play that "birthday queen" game they played on tenma's birthday... haha don't forget that when tenma made eri eat natto, eri said "i'll remember this..."
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Old 2006-11-18, 18:43   Link #982
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I'm actually... really eagerly waiting a SR chapter now.

That hasn't happened in AGES!
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Old 2006-11-18, 22:17   Link #983
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Wow....Eri looked sooooooooooo awesome with that stare...................but I really hope the flag relationship never ends....seriously...

It's great to have Tenma barge in and mess it all up once and awhile...but I hope she doesn't mess things up permanently......
I'd even be happy if Yakumo screwed things up...not Tenma. But the story would be too perfect and boring without Tenma screwing around with flag =O
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Old 2006-11-19, 01:08   Link #984
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Here's my take. Tenma is too dumb to be with anyone other that Karasuma. Eri and Harima continues to bring out the WORST in each other; for their sake and everyone else, it is better if they don't come within 100 km of each other. Yakumo is too good for Harima.

Eri is angry at either Tenma or Harima. If she lashes out against Harima, of course he is going to strike back and it is very unlikely he will accept Eri's affections. If she lashes out against Tenma, it will bring out full fury in Harima and all will be scarred forever. If Akira would be pulling the strings, Eri should do nothing and try to approach Harima at another time in different manner. For good of everyone in the School Rumble, I think Harima should not be able to get any girl until both the girl and himself change for better.
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Old 2006-11-19, 02:01   Link #985
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I'm surprised no one has made comparisons of Eri's burning pic to Harima's burning pic in one of the early chapters.

Next chapter: Eri becomes a shut-in and draws manga
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Old 2006-11-19, 12:31   Link #986
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I'm surprised no one has made comparisons of Eri's burning pic to Harima's burning pic in one of the early chapters.
You mean this?

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Old 2006-11-19, 22:01   Link #987
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hehe i noticed that their scowls were similar...harima's is way more intense though.. look at all them lines all over his face... :P
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Old 2006-11-19, 23:34   Link #988
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awesome beginning of something chaotic in the future. U can't blame tenma for being herself. she was so honest in this chapter, that it makes her look nice. this is one of those rare moments on school rumble where tenma can act/behave/look mature and sincere with harima. and harima...well, he just the same old dorky guy since chapter 1.

on ch. 202, first page. who was the girl in the first page (on the bottom box) that came to the party? the one wearing black top. i wanna say she's sagano, but KJ draw her up too much like tenma.
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Old 2006-11-20, 01:40   Link #989
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awesome beginning of something chaotic in the future. U can't blame tenma for being herself. she was so honest in this chapter, that it makes her look nice. this is one of those rare moments on school rumble where tenma can act/behave/look mature and sincere with harima. and harima...well, he just the same old dorky guy since chapter 1.

on ch. 202, first page. who was the girl in the first page (on the bottom box) that came to the party? the one wearing black top. i wanna say she's sagano, but KJ draw her up too much like tenma.
I don't know about Harima. He has grown up somewhat from the beginning. When it comes to improvement of self, Harima and Tenma made the most improvement relative to their baseline. The trouble is, their baselines are very low. Everyone else showed some growth, but only Asou and Mikoto seems to have gotten over the hump into new stage of their lives.
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Old 2006-11-20, 02:21   Link #990
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anyone realize that harima's grown a lot less VIOLENT? in the beginning, damn man, everyone was AFRAID of him, but now, he’s grown to be so considerate and intelligent … so much less of a degenerate.

Eri’s completely stealing the show in SR. This is what … the third consecutive story arc devoted to her? Tenma’s quickly just becoming a side story that inspires Harima x Eri moments, and Yakumo’s like something of the past, seeing as she kinda admitted that she likes Harima, but gives up on going for him. Damn, remember during the school play, when Eri and Yakumo were fighting for Harima? As much as I love Harima x Eri, I’d like to see a bit less of a monopoly over Harima. Or even better, I’d like more progression of their relationship. Right now, more or less it’s:

Eri: !!! ~<3
Harima: …
Eri: [blush]
Harima: Tenma-chan
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Old 2006-11-20, 03:05   Link #991
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he might be way less violent towards others, but when it's coming to being straight foward with tenma, harima hasn't been showing any major improvement since the beginning of the story. She still brought him to his knee and make him look like a dork, something that is definitely not him.

its amazing how beauty can tame the beast.......(in tenma's case, i used the term "beauty" very loosely).
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Old 2006-11-20, 04:04   Link #992
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awesome beginning of something chaotic in the future. U can't blame tenma for being herself. she was so honest in this chapter, that it makes her look nice. this is one of those rare moments on school rumble where tenma can act/behave/look mature and sincere with harima. and harima...well, he just the same old dorky guy since chapter 1.

on ch. 202, first page. who was the girl in the first page (on the bottom box) that came to the party? the one wearing black top. i wanna say she's sagano, but KJ draw her up too much like tenma.
I am pretty sure that's Sagano with her sidekick Yuuki (hah, I was searching for what her name was, and she shares the same birthday as me, April 12th).
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Old 2006-11-20, 04:16   Link #993
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Sagano is sooo hawt like her hairstyle.

Yeah She looks like Tenma for a moment I thought awhile back that she may have actually been the girl that Harima rescued in the past not Tenma... Looks like I was wrong on that. Wouldn't that been an incredible twist there if that was true lol poor Harima would have been crushed if he found out that girl wasn't Tenma.
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Old 2006-11-20, 16:54   Link #994
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Maybe I'm not remembering it right, but Harima wasn't violent from the start, was he?
It was just that he was always wearing the sunglasses and didn't participate much in the class, which made him get his reputation of beeing a delinquent. He himself wasn't really any more quarrelsome than Hanai for example.


Actually, Harima was pretty violent at the start of School Rumble. His very first appearance in episode 1 was of him beating up Tennouji, then at the end of the episode he punched a wall (only to have it land on his head ), then beat up Tennouji again for making fun of his love letter to Tenma. Then when Tenma threw the broom/mop at Harima's head on accident and you hear Harima beating up other people asking who did it... And much more... so yeah, i think harima was pretty violent from the beginning. i gotta admit, i kinda missed it in nigakki.
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Old 2006-11-21, 08:39   Link #995
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Nice chapter. Is this the beginning of the end? Looks like eri is going to figure out who harima truly likes. And my my, eri seems to be very much the jealous sort indeed. Just look at that stare, that killing intent. Friend or not, tenma (or maybe harima) is going to be on her kill list pretty soon.
It's hard to tell where her anger is directed, because we don't know the point at which Eri started listening. If she heard the whole conversation, though, I suspect that Harima would be more likely to be the target of her anger, and rightfully so. At the start of that scene, Harima states that the only reason why he is at the party is to chase after Tenma. Even setting aside the issue of love, if Harima had no interest in celebrating Eri's birthday, and no interest in attempting to be civil, then he had no business attending that party in the first place - it was a very selfish action on his part.

That being said, Tenma is still likely to bear some of the brunt of it, which is unfortunate, since she probably would have been even less tolerant of Harima's actions if she had known his real intentions. Hopefully Eri and Tenma resolve the issue successfully between the two of them - I'd much rather see this backfire on the real culprit, than see Tenma get hurt in the process.

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Actually, Harima was pretty violent at the start of School Rumble. His very first appearance in episode 1 was of him beating up Tennouji, then at the end of the episode he punched a wall (only to have it land on his head ), then beat up Tennouji again for making fun of his love letter to Tenma. Then when Tenma threw the broom/mop at Harima's head on accident and you hear Harima beating up other people asking who did it... And much more... so yeah, i think harima was pretty violent from the beginning. i gotta admit, i kinda missed it in nigakki.
Both of you make valid points on this issue, but you're both referring to different aspects of Harima's character. The Small One is referring to the fact that Harima is a less violent person than he was in his delinquent days. This is generally shown in scenes where Harima seems to be projecting a menacing image to his classmates, while he is really just thinking positive thoughts about Tenma. It's a valid response to miko tian's post given that it demonstrates that Harima's "pacifism" is not a recent development in his character - it's a quality that he has possessed throughout the story.

Your remarks regarding Harima point to another quality of Harima's - his tendancy to solve problems directly through the use of brute force (this also ties back to his statements on meeting life's challenges head on when he gives his little speech in the Omiai arc temple scene). While Harima's interactions with Tennouji and Yoshidayama are comic examples of this, you can also consider the approach that Harima took to recovering his marriage charm from Max - by attacking him head on.

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I don't know about Harima. He has grown up somewhat from the beginning. When it comes to improvement of self, Harima and Tenma made the most improvement relative to their baseline. The trouble is, their baselines are very low. Everyone else showed some growth, but only Asou and Mikoto seems to have gotten over the hump into new stage of their lives.
What exactly do you mean by self improvement? If you're talking about character development and maturity, Eri and Tenma would be the ones who really stand out in this regard. While Harima has shown some openmindedness around Eri over the past 50 chapters or so, he's still stuck in the same boat as Hanai - obsessively determined to win over his crush without any regard to the feelings of the actual girl in question. As a matter of fact, his position in the story as a hero or anti-hero hinges on his ability to show some signs of character development in the future. The fact that he has had little such progress to date is what makes the outcome of the story so uncertain.

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Eri’s completely stealing the show in SR. This is what … the third consecutive story arc devoted to her? Tenma’s quickly just becoming a side story that inspires Harima x Eri moments, and Yakumo’s like something of the past, seeing as she kinda admitted that she likes Harima, but gives up on going for him. Damn, remember during the school play, when Eri and Yakumo were fighting for Harima? As much as I love Harima x Eri, I’d like to see a bit less of a monopoly over Harima. Or even better, I’d like more progression of their relationship. Right now, more or less it’s:

Eri: !!! ~<3
Harima: …
Eri: [blush]
Harima: Tenma-chan
This, too, is not a recent development. If you go back to the very start of the series, you'll see that pretty much every big story arc has focused on Eri's character in some form or the other (the main exception being the Basketball arc).

Since you've brought in the example of the play, try to identify both the conflict and its resolution. Yakumo wasn't actively fighting in that scene - she just wanted to find a way to calm Eri down. The conflict in that scene existed within Eri - in dealing with her feelings of jealousy and inadequacy with regards to Yakumo. The resolution of the conflict comes when Eri overcomes her weaknesses and apologizes to Yakumo for her immature behaviour - and finds out in the process that Yakumo and Harima weren't dating. The risk, conflict, and character growth still are centered in Eri - Yakumo's presence in the scene helps us to explore Eri's character and to watch Eri mature.

Even if you take something like the Amateur Manga Competition chapters, while Eri isn't the direct focus of the story, those manga writing scenes are placed side by side with scenes of Eri thinking about Harima. If you consider this chapter as a parallel case, while most of the chapter involves Harima and Tenma interacting, the last frame of the chapter pulls all of those interactions back into the context of Eri's character. If you were to just remove that single frame, it completely changes the story focus from Eri and places it on Oudou - so context is very important.

This isn't to say that Tenma is any bit less important than Eri. The main difference between the two is in terms of their function within the story.

Tenma's main strength is comedy. As such, while she fairs well in the stretches of one-shot chapters that we get between story arcs, it's more difficult for her to generate any sort of dramatic tension without diffusing it with humor (consider Tenma's question regarding vacuum sealed curry in Ep.10 S1 as an example - while it was a crisis for True Oudou, the scene had more of an amusing quality than an angst inducing one). As a result, even when she does run into difficulties in her relationship with Karasuma, the conflict is rarely a sustained one. That being said, however, she still is the glue that holds SR together - virtually every group of characters links back to and interacts with Tenma in some way. In addition, Karasuma's departure is the central and underlying conflict in SR, so everything will have to ultimately tie back to Tenma's storyline in the end.

Eri's main strengths come out in the story arcs. In order to create dramatic tension, there needs to be some sort of risk and consequence should things not work out. In Eri's case, she has a lot at stake - from Tenma's note during Eri's character introduction (Chapter 7) that Eri comes from a much lonelier household than her own, to the fact that Eri tends to take things much more seriously than Tenma does - so we know from the outset that there's a great risk of Eri getting hurt by the events of the story. As such, Eri tends to be at the center of the conflicts during the story arcs, which places the focus on her character.

If you want a good comparison between the two characters and their nature, just read over Yakushamaru (Mangoku) Kouji's meetings with and analyses on our two protagonists in ch.184 and 185. Those two chapters are written in a parallel fashion, and they really bring about a good comparison between the two.
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Old 2006-11-21, 11:21   Link #996
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Next chapter: Ojou goes Berserk Mode, turns into Black Mamba, and (wearing a yellow leather suit) slays Tsukamoto sisters with a katana. Harima, terribly affected by Tenma's death, commits suicide.

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Old 2006-11-21, 13:33   Link #997
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dude! what manga volume are you guys in japan up to? here in the US, we're only on volume 4.
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Old 2006-11-21, 13:42   Link #998
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dude! what manga volume are you guys in japan up to? here in the US, we're only on volume 4.
Yes.... and that's why this thread is called the School Rumble manga (raw discussion only) thread. There is a separate discussion thread for the Del Rey Edition
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Old 2006-11-23, 21:08   Link #999
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Eri still thinks that Harima is secretly in love with her, so she would launch a vendetta against Tenma for 'stealing' her man!LOL!!
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Old 2006-11-24, 07:47   Link #1000
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And for the next one...

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