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Old 2004-10-17, 02:31   Link #41
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omg.... is this true???
i wanna move to canada!!! ^^
Yeah its true. canada is a socialist country, one of the finest country in the world: http://www.cic.gc.ca/

When it comes to world problems, Redcross help. And UNICEF help famillies from poor countries.

If you deside to join the canadien force, they will only teach you how to save lifes instead of how to use a gun.

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Old 2004-10-17, 05:08   Link #42
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I agree that vancouver is becoming a chinatown. But about your stat about the commitment of suicide in canada... its very low. I mean, what in the world would you peoples complain about this country ?

- Never been at war
- Hospital is free
- You can eat with a dollar
- World's most lowest in criminality
- No earthquakes
- No tornados, hurracanes
- No volcanos
- A green country
- No discriminality
- Freedom to protest
- Gay can go on public
- Public Schools are free
- Private schools are not as expencive as the US
- Population is 1/16 out of the numbers of peoples in russia
- Immigrants are welcome
- Getting your cityzenship is not as hard as US, Europe, Japan.
- No extremists putting bombs
- Canada as never been a target
- Support UN, paris
- School exams are less harder then US
- Parents who have child are supported by the GOV, give some money, ennough for food
- No to racism
- To have a gun you must Pass the the CGSC exams and be 21+
- download IS legal

You think you can get all that opportunity if you lived somewhere in Mexico, US, Asia, Md-east ? I mean Cummon... you'll get crazy if you lived in irak. you'll Probably pick up a gun and shoot your self.
-No - technically Canada has been at war

-Technically yes...but you wait forever...ever hear of hallway medicine? Our healthcare system is one of the worst, and WE do pay for it...our taxes are nearly 50% of what we make. DO YOU KNOW how many people die waiting for life saving surgery? If they went down to the US and paid for it you can get it done right away. Health care is IMPORTANT, but ours is far from perfect...

-I can eat for less than 50 cents...but that doesn't mean it's GOOD for me.

-Yes

-False

-False

-Yes

-'Green country' depending on WHERE in canada you live

-Discrimination is A PART OF HUMAN NATURE, I don't care where in canada you live, discrimination is always there

-Do you know HOW long it took them to get that right?

=Do you know how low the level of education of a public school is?

-Private Schools are cheaper than the US because of supply and demand, it's called the economy...

=We only have 30 million people...and we are the 2nd largest country (land mass wise) in the world

-Immigrants who are fully educated and WILLING to work, we've been getting ALOT of slack from other countries stating that we allow too many immigrants in...we've been making things harder because we allow too many pople who are just a tax on our healthcare system, and economy...and it's US the taxpayers who pay for that shit.

-See above

-This is mostly true

-Yes

-Many countries support the UN...

-Acctually overall school level is HARDER than the US, however it is still QUITE low for a 1st world country...the US just has the SAT...when does easier EVER mean better when it comes to education? That just means we're pumping out people who don't know as much, and it'll be that much harder for them to get jobs.

-THIS IS A BAD thing. Girl gets knocked up when she's 16...her boyfriend is 18...they use the kid as an excuse to NOT get an education...they DECIDE not to work...and go on welfare...they LEECH off the system for the rest of their fucking lives. Overall they make MORE money than a hardworking single mother who works 80 hours a week doing minimum wage for FUCKING BEING LAZY AND STUPID. This country supports lazy and stupid people, NOT A good image, and again this AFFECTS us, because as more people go on welfare the more our taxes go up....the money is MORE than enough for food man, have you SEEN their cheques? Then their kids go on it cuz they have kids at 16, and the cycle goes on and on and on...see a problem yet?

-Dude where the FUCK do you live that racism doesn't exist?

-Yea those exams are fucking easy, and you can own a firearm at almost any age, my bro got his hunting license at 14 and has his OWN hand gun, he just needed someone 18 or older to buy it for him...

-Downloaing WHAT is legal? Mp3s? Why? Because everything else is subsidized in the levy on all mp3 players, cd-rs, cdrws, dvdr, dvdrws, cd players, md players, etc...downloading other iillegal things is STILL ILLEGAL. mp3s are the only 'clause for exceptions'

Not to insult you dude...but get a clue. Alot of the things you've stated overall makes canada look like a BAD country to live in. Sure it's a good thing to HELP those who are in need, but it's bad just letting people leech off the system for 80+ years.

Then to make it worse...do you know criminals get better treatment than ALOT OF PEOPLE? I mean you break the law, go to jail, eat good food, get FREE university education...do you know HOW MUCH IT COSTS to keep ONE criminal in jail for ONE year? around $80,000 the Average Canadian Family makes less than $50000 a year, BEFORE taxes.

I mean where else can you go work make ALOT LESS than what people doing THE EXACT SAME JOB in Europe and the USA make...I mean for my job I make less than 50% than if I lived in the US...THEN you get 50% of what you make taken away, and given to people who just want to leech off the system? Then you still gotta pay bills and shit.

See any problems yet? Good. I love Canada, and I love living here, but it has TONS of problem still, and it's not as squeeky clean as you make it out to be. I'm just trying to put things in perspective.
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Old 2004-10-17, 05:38   Link #43
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-No - technically Canada has been at war

-THIS IS A BAD thing. Girl gets knocked up when she's 16...her boyfriend is 18...they use the kid as an excuse to NOT get an education...they DECIDE not to work...and go on welfare...they LEECH off the system for the rest of their fucking lives. Overall they make MORE money than a hardworking single mother who works 80 hours a week doing minimum wage for FUCKING BEING LAZY AND STUPID. This country supports lazy and stupid people, NOT A good image, and again this AFFECTS us, because as more people go on welfare the more our taxes go up....the money is MORE than enough for food man, have you SEEN their cheques? Then their kids go on it cuz they have kids at 16, and the cycle goes on and on and on...see a problem yet?
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Too bad this country still support lazy peoples who stay at home doing nothing and the governoment give MONEY ! to support ther lazy ass while other's are working hard to get money

And as for suicide, in CANADA ! you must be on crack. you have your decision to say home sleeping and eating doing nothing. :fingers:
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Old 2004-10-17, 06:32   Link #44
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Too bad this country still support lazy peoples who stay at home doing nothing and the governoment give MONEY ! to support ther lazy ass while other's are working hard to get money
That seems to be a common problem in most all countries with a welfair program. Personaly I blame it on the fact that most countries only consider people in need of social services once they hit X factor. So what ever that factor is, once you hit it you have no reason to correct that.

Take this example.

A small family starts. But, as life tends to have happen, not all goes as planned. Since were on the subject of suicide, we will assume the new groom takes a 15 story swan dive into pavement.
This single mother, who was working a decent job, starts putting in as much over time as she can. Her child, who we will say is now 6. Is practily raising her self when she is at home, since rarely can this single mother afford a baby sitter. This of course is a violation of US law, but commonly done none the less. A few minor incodents occour, drawings on the walls, next door neighbor helps put out the lawn fire ect.
Well, economy slightly in recession, and this hard working, dedicated single mother finds that she is soon to be layed off. She starts looking franticaly for a job. but of course, the economy like it is, gets no imediate answers.
After beeing laid off, she applies for welfair, and is granted it. So now, she makes much less than she used to. With a bit of planning, she finds a lower income home, and moves herself and her daughter thier, paying the down payment by all the extra stuff she sold off that will not fit into thier new place.
Now, about 2 months later she gets a call back on a job she applied for. The company is expanding and would like to higher several people for entry level positions.
Now, she has spent more time with her daughter in these past few months than since she was born praticaly. The jobshe will be getting is entry level, meaning for at least a time thier is little or no job security, and entry level pay. So she must now make a choice to either, take the job, which if lost, she will have to go through the myriad of paper work again to reapply for welfair. Make hardly more than she is now, and either leave her daughter unattened again, near people she does not know. Or make quite a bit less than she is now, due to paying for child care.

Few people I know would choose to go back to work in that situation. Thier is no drive to. As going back to the work force, not only is difficult to get adjusted to again, but provides little extra benifit. It is easy to call these people lazy, but often they are not. . . or at least did not start that way.

The only solution I could see is just to make sure that the absolut basics of human needs are take care of by the state. State funded 24 hour a day child care. A sate food stamp program tracked via ID, that is avalible to all people, regardless of income, at a measure to provide enugh food to survive, and little else. Make rent, tax deductable, at the state level, (this one would be some what harder to keep track of, but somthing on the line of, the average rate of a single studio per person you support.). Nataonlay covered health care, of at least clinic level. Admitadly, this takes alot of funding from people, but at that point you could compleatly do away with welfair and have peoples basic needs provided for.
The only thing that people truly HAVE to buy at that point is space to live, which if you live cheep is still covered. You of course need money for any thing else. Which does away with one of the larger problems of welfair I have always witnessed. It just gives you money. So if you live cheep you have extra money to spend on entertainment and luxury items. The very things that should truly inspier people to work.

The goverments job is to provide for the saftey and well beeing of it's citizens. not just the citizens that cannot at this moment. Take care of the basic human needs of all people, then let people work for what ever else they want / need. Hell I know the only reason I go to work every day is to make sure I can pay for my car / computer / enterainment. I know my area well enugh to get free food, I would just have to move. . . Actualy when I was younger I planned out and showed my mother how we could afford basic cable if we just ate at the local soup house once a week. She thought we would be taking away from the needy, so I pointed out we could volunteer to work thier before and after, since free man power is often harder to come by than free food.

Of course this has little to do with suicide. I honestly have a positive view of suicide. I do not mean to offend any one, but please hear me out. The largest problem I see facing our world is overpopulation. The population of the world as a whole has never gone down. Nor does it show any indication that it will.
This is going to lead us to some extramly hard choices in the future. Either we are going to have to start killing people, requiered sterilization, or we will not be able to support the population of the world. forcing large parts of the world to die of starvation ect. So while I may miss the person that commited suicide, I apprciate thier help with that problem. Even if it was not thier intent.
Yes, I know people who have commit suicide. Yes I even attempted it myself once (as previously mentioned in this thread, light sockets are bad ways to try and kill yourself).
I am often, by many of my friends, considered an incesitive bastered. Well for all the truth thier may be in that, I cannot but state the obvious, we are destrying the entier world, just so we can fit a few more people, we cannot feed onto it. Life is NOT sacred, if it were wars would not exist, murders would not happen, and mothers would not smother thier own children. People die alot, but not enugh, we need more to go, and soon. I prefer people who would do so voluntaraly for what ever reason, than to force some, or let others die via some of the most painfull ways known to man. Watch some one starve to death and tell me it looks better than breathing in chlorine gas.
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Old 2004-10-17, 06:54   Link #45
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Of course this has little to do with suicide. I honestly have a positive view of suicide. I do not mean to offend any one, but please hear me out. The largest problem I see facing our world is overpopulation. The population of the world as a whole has never gone down. Nor does it show any indication that it will.
This is going to lead us to some extramly hard choices in the future. Either we are going to have to start killing people, requiered sterilization, or we will not be able to support the population of the world. forcing large parts of the world to die of starvation ect. So while I may miss the person that commited suicide, I apprciate thier help with that problem. Even if it was not thier intent.
Yes, I know people who have commit suicide. Yes I even attempted it myself once (as previously mentioned in this thread, light sockets are bad ways to try and kill yourself).
I am often, by many of my friends, considered an incesitive bastered. Well for all the truth thier may be in that, I cannot but state the obvious, we are destrying the entier world, just so we can fit a few more people, we cannot feed onto it. Life is NOT sacred, if it were wars would not exist, murders would not happen, and mothers would not smother thier own children. People die alot, but not enugh, we need more to go, and soon. I prefer people who would do so voluntaraly for what ever reason, than to force some, or let others die via some of the most painfull ways known to man. Watch some one starve to death and tell me it looks better than breathing in chlorine gas.
A very refreshing view. Thanks, I enjoyed reading it. ^_^

I didn't try light socket...too scary I'm a pussy XD
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Old 2004-10-17, 07:53   Link #46
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Rather, most of student-related suicides are more likely to be caused by "ijime" (bullying).
What exactly is so bad about bullying in Japan?

I'm probably a cold hearted arsehole but who cares if losers who get bullied kill themself? it's their fault they couldn't stand up for themselves in the first place.
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Old 2004-10-17, 15:03   Link #47
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What exactly is so bad about bullying in Japan?

I'm probably a cold hearted arsehole but who cares if losers who get bullied kill themself? it's their fault they couldn't stand up for themselves in the first place.
And pray tell how do you stand up for yourself? Once you've been targeted for ijime, it's very difficult to make yourself heard.

- You fight back. Tough luck if the person who is doing the bullying happens to be child of the head PTA member of that school. You're the one that's going to be suspended - not the kid that's doing the bullying.

- You ask for help. Tough luck since the other kids could care less.

- You change your image to avoid becoming the target of being bullied. Tough luck since no matter what you do, you're still the same person.

You have no idea how bad the thing is. I've seen bullying happen. One of my classmates in middle school was a victim of bullying. No one cares, nor comes to his aid - we just go along with the crowd because we fear that if we stand up for him, we too will be branded as the people who get bullied.

The teachers? They don't do jack because all they care is about their image as a "good respected school" among the neighborhood. If the person that is doing the bullying happens to be the star of the school sports team, they school isn't going to do anything. The fact is my school promoted the idea that the person who being bullied to move to another school.

Luckily, this didn't evolve into the kid committing suicide as he eventually did move to another school. But if he did - then the school finally realizes the extent of the matter. What's the point of having a "great educational system," when all the school cares about is how they portray themselves to the media and all about their students' test scores?


Let's face it. This so-called "harmonious" school system that we have is nothing but a bunch of:

A. Principals, school administrators, and teachers who really don't give a flying fuck about their students - but more on their school's image and test scores

B. "School" is nothing but an institution to raise corporate zombies

C. Parents who are too lazy to administer proper behavior and blame everything on the school system ("My child cannot study because so-and-so school did a poor job at teaching him")

D. Yet the same parents who do not admit that it's their child's fault ("My son/daughter would never do such a thing as bullying! I mean, I know it because he/she's my child. By the way, you do know that I donated over 10% of this year's schools budget right?")

E. At the same time, the teachers do not have any power what so ever against their students' behavior because if they even try to punish them, they will be the target of media and branded as "Teacher slaps student in classroom! Punishment gone too far!!!" etc etc.


Some higher being, I love how this damn country is going down the shit hole.
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Old 2004-10-17, 15:11   Link #48
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Well howevery how bad is about the bulleyeing thing, If someone bulleye me i will just ^_^

I dont give a damn about polularity in school. just be your self a nerd.

Well in Japan is not that bad compared to america, you could get killed, betten by a bounch of badboyz gang and capable to torture you, violate. As for teachers they just dont give a damn.. all they do is doing the job. Im talking about public schools. As for private school, that another thing. Much more friendly.

Compared to here, i still think japanese school are more friendly then this hell american racist school of doom.

A normal student just go get a book at the library and there was this bounch of pranks suddently jump to him and get betten soo badly, and then the pranks go away running. the poor dude was bleeding and the qestion is why he got betten ? Because he's asian or latino, or black or white or nerd or anime geek or starwars fan or treky

Oh and yes. any american prank can pick up a baseball bat and slap a 12 yeard old girl. ive seen that appened. it was horrible image.

Sorry, my english

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Old 2004-10-17, 15:24   Link #49
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what is this bullying that you're talking about?i mean,i've been bullied when i was little too-the upper graders constantly took my lunch money,made me do pushups,slaped me...but that was till i grew up,when i was in 6-th grade i had no such problems....and to be honest i find this to be kinda hm...educating for the little kids....cuz today's kids in my country are just a bunch of pesky brats,and they have no respect for the older...i mean,how can a 2-nd grader to slap a girl on the butt saying "hey baby,wanna come home with me to do some humping?"
and if someone says something to the kid,the reply is usually-"fuck you mother fucker/stfu you stupid fuck,if you dont want some butt-lovin' "
ofcourse, if the brat iritates me too much im giving him a kick in the butt,but to be honest i dont like to hit children,or people that are weaker than me...but when i was little-saying such thing to an uppergrader yould mean 4 hours of torment in the 6th circle of hell....

so my question is-could you describe this thing thats going on in japaneese schools?i just cant imagine the whole picture of how could bullying lead to suicide tendencies...
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Old 2004-10-17, 15:44   Link #50
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so my question is-could you describe this thing thats going on in japaneese schools?i just cant imagine the whole picture of how could bullying lead to suicide tendencies...
This is only my view on it but:

As far as I know in Japan the image people have of you is very important, this is reflected in the importance on school results, the university/school you went to, the activities you perform outside of school. In japan there is an in-group out-group system.

Now if someone gets bullied they get excluded from the group, also the image other people have of this person will go down, combine this with the following facts : -

-people are always looking out for themselves first, thus teachers and other people will only help if their own reputation doesn't take damage along the way
-some persons just don't have great self-confidence to start with
-being bullied generates enormous amounts of stress

Result : excluded from everything, stress and not seeing a way out will have an influence on their life, their results in school, their social relations, as these get worse, the bullying increases, it's a spiral downward very hard to escape from, which in serious cases leads so suicide.

I've seen documentaries of japanese schoolkids whoi can't cope with the system any more and just stop leaving their rooms, they spend months or even years living in their own room, never going outside, hardly even speaking to their parents and basically doing nothing but living on the net. I think this is only one example of how bad things can get.
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Then they wouldn't survive on any american school then. Ive been betten by 3 guys from collage 4years ago. i was just 1 female, and you know what they did ? they were trying to rip my hair. not only it hurts outside but also hurted my life. Fortunaly i was saved when the security came but the pranks ran away.

And look at me now, i still have terror on agressive males.
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And pray tell how do you stand up for yourself? Once you've been targeted for ijime, it's very difficult to make yourself heard.

- You fight back. Tough luck if the person who is doing the bullying happens to be child of the head PTA member of that school. You're the one that's going to be suspended - not the kid that's doing the bullying.

- You ask for help. Tough luck since the other kids could care less.

- You change your image to avoid becoming the target of being bullied. Tough luck since no matter what you do, you're still the same person.

You have no idea how bad the thing is. I've seen bullying happen. One of my classmates in middle school was a victim of bullying. No one cares, nor comes to his aid - we just go along with the crowd because we fear that if we stand up for him, we too will be branded as the people who get bullied.

The teachers? They don't do jack because all they care is about their image as a "good respected school" among the neighborhood. If the person that is doing the bullying happens to be the star of the school sports team, they school isn't going to do anything. The fact is my school promoted the idea that the person who being bullied to move to another school.

Luckily, this didn't evolve into the kid committing suicide as he eventually did move to another school. But if he did - then the school finally realizes the extent of the matter. What's the point of having a "great educational system," when all the school cares about is how they portray themselves to the media and all about their students' test scores?


Let's face it. This so-called "harmonious" school system that we have is nothing but a bunch of:

A. Principals, school administrators, and teachers who really don't give a flying fuck about their students - but more on their school's image and test scores

B. "School" is nothing but an institution to raise corporate zombies

C. Parents who are too lazy to administer proper behavior and blame everything on the school system ("My child cannot study because so-and-so school did a poor job at teaching him")

D. Yet the same parents who do not admit that it's their child's fault ("My son/daughter would never do such a thing as bullying! I mean, I know it because he/she's my child. By the way, you do know that I donated over 10% of this year's schools budget right?")

E. At the same time, the teachers do not have any power what so ever against their students' behavior because if they even try to punish them, they will be the target of media and branded as "Teacher slaps student in classroom! Punishment gone too far!!!" etc etc.


Some higher being, I love how this damn country is going down the shit hole.






And I thought the US here was kinda bad.


Hearing it from the horse's mouth so to speak kinda helps put everything better into perspective.
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Old 2004-10-17, 17:31   Link #53
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I was in school in Taiwan which has similar school "system," and I confirm what kj1980 said...though Taiwanese people are not as image-conscious and proud as Japanese people.
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Acctually unlike most american schools...schools focus ALOT on their outlook, always wanting to prove they have the best students, best teachers, best sports players, as advertisment for people to GO to the school, because more students = more money. IT's true that the teachers don't care, but it's ALOT better than the American school system.

But here in North America, most teachers couldn't give a flying fuck about their student's futures, because it has no relavent impact on them whatsoever. The schools don't give a shit about anything...Teachers in Asia are ALOT more respectiable than the teachers we have here, just because atleast they care about SOMETHING, in turn if they care about how good the marks are, they inturn somewhat CARE about their students...

Honestly unless if you've been to both systems, experienced both, you couldn't say which is better. But the american school system sucks hardcore.

"The grass is always greener on the other side" That's the mentaility of most people...however my mentaility is "experience both, then decide which is better for you"

Atleast in Japan they don't have metal detectors in schools...and they don't encourage elementary students to go have sex with eachother.
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And pray tell how do you stand up for yourself? Once you've been targeted for ijime, it's very difficult to make yourself heard.

- You fight back. Tough luck if the person who is doing the bullying happens to be child of the head PTA member of that school. You're the one that's going to be suspended - not the kid that's doing the bullying.

- You ask for help. Tough luck since the other kids could care less.

- You change your image to avoid becoming the target of being bullied. Tough luck since no matter what you do, you're still the same person.

You have no idea how bad the thing is. I've seen bullying happen. One of my classmates in middle school was a victim of bullying. No one cares, nor comes to his aid - we just go along with the crowd because we fear that if we stand up for him, we too will be branded as the people who get bullied.

The teachers? They don't do jack because all they care is about their image as a "good respected school" among the neighborhood. If the person that is doing the bullying happens to be the star of the school sports team, they school isn't going to do anything. The fact is my school promoted the idea that the person who being bullied to move to another school.

Luckily, this didn't evolve into the kid committing suicide as he eventually did move to another school. But if he did - then the school finally realizes the extent of the matter. What's the point of having a "great educational system," when all the school cares about is how they portray themselves to the media and all about their students' test scores?


Let's face it. This so-called "harmonious" school system that we have is nothing but a bunch of:

A. Principals, school administrators, and teachers who really don't give a flying fuck about their students - but more on their school's image and test scores

B. "School" is nothing but an institution to raise corporate zombies

C. Parents who are too lazy to administer proper behavior and blame everything on the school system ("My child cannot study because so-and-so school did a poor job at teaching him")

D. Yet the same parents who do not admit that it's their child's fault ("My son/daughter would never do such a thing as bullying! I mean, I know it because he/she's my child. By the way, you do know that I donated over 10% of this year's schools budget right?")

E. At the same time, the teachers do not have any power what so ever against their students' behavior because if they even try to punish them, they will be the target of media and branded as "Teacher slaps student in classroom! Punishment gone too far!!!" etc etc.


Some higher being, I love how this damn country is going down the shit hole.
LOL.. that's absolutly nothing.
Each time i go to school i have to wear a knife for self defence. And now that i am in collage i wear one of these:



Ohh yes.. american schools
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Old 2004-10-17, 20:27   Link #56
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I agree that vancouver is becoming a chinatown. But about your stat about the commitment of suicide in canada... its very low. I mean, what in the world would you peoples complain about this country ?

- Never been at war
- Hospital is free
- You can eat with a dollar
- World's most lowest in criminality
- No earthquakes
- No tornados, hurracanes
- No volcanos
- A green country
- No discriminality
- Freedom to protest
- Gay can go on public
- Public Schools are free
- Private schools are not as expencive as the US
- Population is 1/16 out of the numbers of peoples in russia
- Immigrants are welcome
- Getting your cityzenship is not as hard as US, Europe, Japan.
- No extremists putting bombs
- Canada as never been a target
- Support UN, paris
- School exams are less harder then US
- Parents who have child are supported by the GOV, give some money, ennough for food
- No to racism
- To have a gun you must Pass the the CGSC exams and be 21+
- download IS legal

You think you can get all that opportunity if you lived somewhere in Mexico, US, Asia, Md-east ? I mean Cummon... you'll get crazy if you lived in irak. you'll Probably pick up a gun and shoot your self.

Since I live in British columbia, I can only campare to what its like here, but:

-yes, we have been to war a few times, just not recently.
-technically, hospitals are not free, you have to pay massive healthcare taxes.
-sure, eat with a dollar, lets all go to Mcdonalds and eat their nutritional food
-not sure about the worlds lowest crime, but it makes sense that the lower your population, the less criminals.
-No earquakes? we get them all the time. Granted, not anywhere close as many as Japan, but we constantly get them, they just aren't big.
-actually, Canada DOES get tornadoes and hurricanes, they are just extremely rare.

-Canada is has many volcanoes,

Volcano Mountain
Volcanic Creek
Ruby Mountain
Cracker Creek
Ash Mountain
South Tuya
Mathew's Tuya
Tuya Butte
Mount Edziza
Hoodoo Mountain
Iskut River
Lava Fork
Tseax River / Aiyansh
Nazko Cone
Wells Grey
Mount Meager
Mount Garibaldi
Watts Point

just to name a few.

plus, we are located next to many from the U.S. that would cause damage if they were to ever erupt.
-Yes, we are a green country, because there is an extremely large land area, while most people live in a couple cities.
-sorry to say, but there is still discrimination, just not on the scale of many other countries.
-yes, you have freedom to protest, but it rarely works, unless you strike.
-yes, gays may have it good here compared to other countries, but there are still those narrow minded individuals who dislike them.
-again, technically schools are not free, because you have to pay taxes to keep them up and running. Universities are EXTREMELY expensive.
-since I am not sure how much U.S. private schools cost, I can't compare. Prices depend on location and prestige of the attending school.
-yes, Canada has a low population
-immigrant may be welcome, but not if they are going to leach of our system.
-actually, becoming a Canadian citizen is not easy, takes 4-5 years to be accepted on average. There is a big difference between being an immigrant, and a citizen.
Read here if you have any desire to find out more.

http://canadaonline.about.com/od/citizenship/

-while its true that Canada is not a big target for terrorists, we are a home to alot.
-we support the U.N., true
-comman misconception that Canadian exams are easy. In B.C. we have Provincial exams, which would be the equivalent of the SAT's in U.S.A. They are provincial exams, plus we have AP(advanced placement) exams (optional) that are harder than the SAT's. The Provincial exams are required to be taken 3 times throughout your school careeer, once in Elementary school, and twice in Highschool (grades 10 and 12) Plus, you have to take Final Exams for all your courses every year, and if your like me who has AP (Advanced placement, equivalent to 1st year University) courses you have that exam, which is by far the hardest out of any North American highschool exam. (U.S. has AP courses as well, they are also optional)

This year I have 14 exams to do before I graduate.

History - Final exam + Provincial Exam
AP History - Final Exam + Advanced Placement Exam
AP Art History - Final Exam + Advanced Placement Exam
Math - Final Exam + Provincial Exam
AP Literature - Final Exam + Provincial Exam + Advanced Placement Exam
AP English - Final Exam + Provincial Exam + Advanced Placement Exam

I would say that Canada's education system is alot harder than the U.S'.

-Despite what people believe, welfare in B.C. is horrible. It is NOT possible to live off of welfare. If you live in Vancouver, then rent for a 1 bedroom apartment will run about $700 a month. If your single without kids, welfare gives you about $300 a month. As you can see, you cant live from that since that is what food alone costs.
-while racism is frowned upon, it is still here, just not soo much as the U.S.
-yes, it IS legal to download files, but it is ILLEGAL to upload them

I hope I haven't changed your view about canada to a negetive one, because it is a beautiful place to live. If you have a good job, Canada is a VERY nice place to live, especially B.C.
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LOL.. that's absolutly nothing.
Each time i go to school i have to wear a knife for self defence. And now that i am in collage i wear one of these:



Ohh yes.. american schools


Knife and now a tazer?



Where do you live???
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Old 2004-10-17, 21:09   Link #58
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And pray tell how do you stand up for yourself? Once you've been targeted for ijime, it's very difficult to make yourself heard.

- You fight back. Tough luck if the person who is doing the bullying happens to be child of the head PTA member of that school. You're the one that's going to be suspended - not the kid that's doing the bullying.
Getting suspended isn't the end of the world. Thereís nothing wrong with fighting back, maybe it's different here in Australia but fights in school happen almost everyday, people who try and act tough usually get the shit kicked out of them.

Now Iíve never been bullied personally but Iíve put a few people in hospital who said shit to my nerdy mates (They've even kick the crap out of some people) and they usually shut up or left school.

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Then they wouldn't survive on any american school then. Ive been betten by 3 guys from collage 4years ago. i was just 1 female, and you know what they did ? they were trying to rip my hair. not only it hurts outside but also hurted my life. Fortunaly i was saved when the security came but the pranks ran away.
Do you know their names? just tell me and I'll fly to America and make sure they wont be able to walk for years. Men who hit women should die!
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u don't really see physical bulling, actually i should change that to i don't see physical bulling in my school but this may be the fact that it is a catholic school and if u touch a student your taken to the office straight away. I can only remember two fights one was stopped straight away by a student the other was stopped before the other person had a chance to hit back. I know for a fact if u touch another student they will hit back but if u are verbal towards them there is less chance that they will fight back because they are taunted cause they take it seriously which anyone would do unless it was a friend. The verbal abuse runs rampant and is hard to get away from, I myself has been bullied this way and it is hard to make them stop cause I don't sit there and take it I have many a time fought back but it is sometimes what they want and sometimes you just give up.

Reading your stories make Australia look better cause we have more people that wouldn't let it get that bad who actually care or maybe it happens but we don't hear about it or maybe we have tough skins I don't know it just here doesn't seem as bad as over there, we have no real gangs and school marks are not the end of the world we are only pushed by parents and sometimes not even that and we only put stress on ourselves.

This may seem like a pointless rant but I found S.A.S post a little vague and very male, so I thought of putting my opinons in palce that are less black and white.
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Old 2004-10-17, 23:58   Link #60
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I agree that vancouver is becoming a chinatown. But about your stat about the commitment of suicide in canada... its very low. I mean, what in the world would you peoples complain about this country?
Do you really want to get me started complaining about this country? I could probably rant for several pages on all the crap that's wrong with this country and still have more to say.

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- Never been at war
Honestly, what dumbass wrote your history textbooks? I have quite a few choice words for them which will be promptly followed by a beating with a real history textbook. Canada took part in both World War One and Two long before the Americans saw fit to take up arms in the conflicts (Canada's participation in both began on Day 1 versus the US waiting an average of 3.5 years). After the end of World War Two and shortly after the creation of the United Nations, Canada founded the Peacekeepers Corps.

We don't go to war anymore because our armed forces' role in the world is that of peacekeepers!

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- Hospital is free
Yeah they're free... So long as you pay your taxes, have medical insurance, subscribe to your provincal health care plan and have health care compensation through your employer. If not, you better be ready to pay the $400 ambulance fee should you need one, the $50 charge for just seeing a doctor and all basic medical services start at $100 (a broken arm will land you a bill of $275)

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- You can eat with a dollar
True, McDonalds has those $0.99 fries but once you've added on that 20% tax there's not much you can eat for only $1.

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- World's most lowest in criminality
With a population barely over 30 million it's only natural that there would be fewer crimes than in a country of more than 300 million.

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- No earthquakes
- No tornados, hurracanes
- No volcanos
The last earthquake in Canada was on October 5, a 4.3 magnitude quake that struck a small coastal town in BC. Nine hours before that earthquake, a 3.2 magnitue earthquake was recorded in the northern Northwest Territories. Before that, one week, a 2.7 magnitude earthquake occured in Masset BC. There is an Earthquake in Canada nearly every third day so don't say we don't get them, we're just lucky enough that they almost never occur in populated areas.

No tornados or hurricanes? I guess those 12 tornado warnings (with 10 of which actually having tornados) in my province this year didn't actually count for anything. Niether then, do the average 10 hurricanes that strike the eastern Atlantic provinces each year count for anything.

Volcanoes? Go and count them!
http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/gsc/pacific/v...7_1_cata_e.php
Canada has more than 300 volcanoes, nearly 100 of which are considered active.

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- A green country
Take a flight across the country. Sure we have a large amount of praire lands and forested areas, but more than half the country is unusable land with only 4% of the land being arable. The north is locked in perma-frost, the northern islands can only be accessed two or three months a year (assuming the ice flows let up). Oh yeah, it's green alright because we can't use it!

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- No discriminality
Hah! That's got to be one of the greatest lies I've heard in a long time. I'm a natural born (Canadian born) caucasian male between the ages of sixteen and twenty-five. Within this country I am a minority and I am treated like it too. I get no special compensations from the government, I get no goverment funded cultural celebrations, I get no minority tax breaks or exclusions, I get no government aided education. I am treated worse than a newly arrived immigrant simply because I was actually born in the country. Yeah, there is no discrimination...

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- Freedom to protest
Sure you can protest, but in doing so you are not allowed to interfere with the activities of the organization or company you are protesting against. You're protest must be peaceful and unintrusive or else it will be dispursed either by police decision or by request of the people being protested against. So what's the point in protesting at all?

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- Gay can go on public
I'm not quite sure what you mean, but I assume you're meaning that they aren't publicly shunned. I cite the case of Little Sister's Book and Art Emporium vs. The Canadian Government (Minister of Justice).

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- Public Schools are free
No they're not! Around here it's $325 a year, non-refundable, for public education.

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- Private schools are not as expencive as the US
I can't comment on this as I've never been in the private education system, however a year in a nearby private school (one of the cheaper ones) is $1200 (about $1000US).

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- Population is 1/16 out of the numbers of peoples in russia
Yes well that sort of happens when you compare a country that's been around for several hundred years to a country that hasn't even been populated for more than 300 years.

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- Immigrants are welcome
- Getting your cityzenship is not as hard as US, Europe, Japan.
You'd think that wouldn't you. However Canadian immigration laws are incredibly strict because they've been allowing in too many. One of the more interesting immigration laws is that someone, namely the head of the household or the individual immigrating, must poscess some form of post secondary education or technical certification. Of course, no institution in the country recognizes those degrees, certifications or qualifications but the immigrants themselves wont discover this until the 4-5 year immigration process is completed.

Of course they can always usurp the process by claiming refugee status.

On top of that, getting citizenship is no walk in the park either. One must pass a test about and demonstrate knowledge of Canadian law, politics and history. The process entales a criminal background check and a legally binding court oath following by a rousing round of singing the official national anthem in both languages. Without this one cannot obtain a Social Insurance Number or passport.

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- No extremists putting bombs
In 2002 alone the RCMP recorded 40 seperate criminal bombings within Canada. Other than that there was only an additional ~60 attempted bombings.

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- Canada as never been a target
Ever stop to think why?

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- Support UN, paris
I don't know why we'd support Paris but as one of the nations that helped found the United Nations it would only seem natural that we would support it and back it.

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- School exams are less harder then US
That is about as far from true as one can get.

A student in Canada, one who follows through with the entire system, will do tests that are on average harder than the American equivilant every three years for between four and six core subjects. Starting in kindergarden through grades three, six, nine and twelve a Canadian student will take government mandated and provincally controlled scholastic aptitude tests. An American student takes the SATs once, Canadian students take them 5 times.

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- Parents who have child are supported by the GOV, give some money, ennough for food
$25 a month per child until they are 16 years of age.

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- No to racism
There's nothing widespread, mainly because three quarters of the countries population is immigrants, but see my comments on discrimination...

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- To have a gun you must Pass the the CGSC exams and be 21+
You only have to be 21 to legally purchase the weapon, at the age of 12 you can take the National Firearm Safety/Hunter Education course which allows you to use the firearm. At the age of 16 you can legally own a weapon that was given to you as a gift for hunting purposes. Then again, nothing stops an intelligent person from walking into a gun club, signing out a 9mm handgun, buying a box of bullets and spending the next few hours in target practice.

I like doing this, it's good stress relief.

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- download IS legal
I hate how many people think this, as I refute it everytime someone says it. It is illegal to download, storing files is legal, we pay a tax on all recordable media to compensate for the acknowledged illegal downloading.

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If you deside to join the canadien force, they will only teach you how to save lifes instead of how to use a gun.
Actually, they not only teach you how to kill but they teach you 100 ways to do it without a gun. Although it's rarely recognized, a Canadian soldier is one of the most highly trained soldiers in the world (statistically 1 Canadian soldier has the same skill set as 10 American soldiers).

Anyway... Back on topic!

I admit, having been bullied myself, that it is very difficult to deal with and does lead to depression. However, I know from experience, that once one actually takes a stand for themselves and defends themselves bullying promptly comes to an end as there is no fun in bullying someone who's not willing to allow themsleves to be bullied. The difficult part is either being push far enough that one isn't willing to be bullied anymore or finding the courage to actually resist and rise above it. While it sounds hollow, one can only be bullied when they allow themselves to be bullied.
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