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Old 2004-10-18, 00:02   Link #61
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Do you really want to get me started complaining about this country? I could probably rant for several pages on all the crap that's wrong with this country and still have more to say.
You and me both brother....although you seem more well informed on alot of things.

The only one I will debate with you is welfare...I KNOW people living on welfare, and hell they make more money than I do, as long as the kids keep popping up it's all good to them

Seriously I would like to run for office. only a few problems.

1) I'm not white
2) I'm young
3) I have very little money, and only the very wealthy seem to beable to run the country...
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Old 2004-10-18, 00:39   Link #62
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Yeah its true. canada is a socialist country, one of the finest country in the world: http://www.cic.gc.ca/
Do you really know what socialism means? I decree that with what you have in mind as "socialism," then so is Japan.

Fortunately (or unfortunately), our country is controlled by a government who is staunchly anti-liberal....ironic how the leading party calls themselves the Liberal Democratic Party when they aren't liberal nor democratic.

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Compared to here, i still think japanese school are more friendly then this hell american racist school of doom.

A normal student just go get a book at the library and there was this bounch of pranks suddently jump to him and get betten soo badly, and then the pranks go away running. the poor dude was bleeding and the qestion is why he got betten ? Because he's asian or latino, or black or white or nerd or anime geek or starwars fan or treky
Singling out a person is no more different here in Japan than in any other place in the world. It is not that surprising.

You can be bullied for any number of factors: ranging from being too poor, coming from a eta/hinin/burakumin group, decedants of Korean/Chinese immigrants, being half, being an otaku, having a physical/mental disorder, etc etc...

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so my question is-could you describe this thing thats going on in japaneese schools?i just cant imagine the whole picture of how could bullying lead to suicide tendencies...
A good idea is how Anko's group bullies Noboru in "GTO." But there are a lot more worse case scenarios other than that.

For example, the schoolgirl that committed suicide that jumped from a ten-story building near here was forced to do enjo-kousai* ("assisted dating") by her bullies so they themselves can take that money away from her to indulge themselves in latest Louis Vittion and Gucci handbags. In the end, she became pregnant, and when she asked her bullies what to do, they jokingly promoted her to die rather than face the embarrassment of living with an unwanted child.

Too bad they didn't think she'd actually commit suicide since now they are all put into a cheap juvenile hall and will probably go out scot-free in six months since they are only minors. All praise the mighty government system where a minor can commit a heinous crime, and they can go out scot-free because they are minors. Hoorah.

*enjo-kousai ("assisted dating"): also known abbreviated as "enko," where a schoolgirl will sell her body for sex to older men for about 50,000 to 80,000 yen so they can buy they latest brand name fashion items like Gucci and Louis Vitton. Basically, it is a euphemism for "illegal under-age self-prostitution." Except unlike third-world countries where girls do it because they are forced to, they do it to get money to indulge themselves in luxury items.


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Atleast in Japan they don't have metal detectors in schools...and they don't encourage elementary students to go have sex with eachother.
No we don't. The only thing we have is a school testing out putting invisible leashes with a GPS tracking device on its students so both the teachers and parents know where their kids are. I jump for joy for student privacy - let's take away childrens' rights since they are minors and they don't count as people because they can't vote anyway!!

"Don't encourage elementary students to go have sex with each other!?" Please...I've seen fifth and six grade couples go into love hotels. I've seen fifth and sixth graders doing enjo-kousai. You do not want to know what goes around in deai-kei internet BBS boards...

Have you even read what kind of stories are written into shoujo manga aimed at third and fourth graders these days? I frequent my local Lawson's every week to tachiyomi my favorite manga magazines. I see girls as young as the of six reading Ribon Magazine (in which in my day was very "typical shoujo")...in which to my surprise showed and discussed vivid details of "dousei (living together while unmarried), having sex, getting pregnant, considering abortion, etc etc."

I am an advocate of "violent games cause violent behavior?" No. But I draw a line where six year old girls are exposed to such glorification of "cheap sex."

I may play and love ero-game with loli-characters...but there are points that are just getting too fucking crazy.

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Old 2004-10-18, 00:44   Link #63
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I suppose that, us being nerds (well if you're posting on an internet message board about anime, you gotta be a nerd one way or the other j/k), we probably have all contemplated suicide at some point. I can sort of imagine how competitive society is like in Japan, being raised the first 14 years of my life in Shanghai, China, a more or less similarly densely populated, competitive and xenophobic society (even though the government is communist), but I wonder if it's anywhere near the level of Japan as many posts by kj1980 and others here seem to indicate.

I reckon that the pressures condusive to suicide are most likely from a mixture of social and cultural problems, and my guess is that it originates from how strongly the individuals in a society relate to each other, and ...

Ah, screw it. The fact is, everbody is out to make a living giving not a thought about others, and while we dream of "doing something great" in the end we all end up slaving away for some corporation or another with or without knowing, or failing to do so, die an ignoble death without anybody else caring even the least bit. You'd kind of wish that they would told you before you hit 18 and into the world that, "hey boy, just try however you can do make enough money to buy food and stay warm, and get more money to buy nice houses and cars and all that. Repeat the whole process until you're dead and that's what life is all about."

Which is why I found the Chinese film "To Live" to be quite touching. At one point, Fugui says to his friend who is thinking about suicide, "even if you don't want to live you still gotta live." There is really no other meaning to it. Or to misquote a certain communist, "we live in order to eat, but we do not eat in order to live."
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Old 2004-10-18, 02:52   Link #64
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For example, the schoolgirl that committed suicide that jumped from a ten-story building near here was forced to do enjo-kousai* ("assisted dating") by her bullies so they themselves can take that money away from her to indulge themselves in latest Louis Vittion and Gucci handbags. In the end, she became pregnant, and when she asked her bullies what to do, they jokingly promoted her to die rather than face the embarrassment of living with an unwanted child.

Too bad they didn't think she'd actually commit suicide since now they are all put into a cheap juvenile hall and will probably go out scot-free in six months since they are only minors. All praise the mighty government system where a minor can commit a heinous crime, and they can go out scot-free because they are minors. Hoorah.

*enjo-kousai ("assisted dating"): also known abbreviated as "enko," where a schoolgirl will sell her body for sex to older men for about 50,000 to 80,000 yen so they can buy they latest brand name fashion items like Gucci and Louis Vitton. Basically, it is a euphemism for "illegal under-age self-prostitution." Except unlike third-world countries where girls do it because they are forced to, they do it to get money to indulge themselves in luxury items.
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE BLOODY PARENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND IF IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING WHY THE HELL DIDN'T SHE RUN HOME AND IF SHE COULDN'T YOU PPL ALL SAY THAT JAPAN IS OVERCROWED THEN WHY DIDN'T SHE SCREAM HER LUNGS OUT FOR HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OR DO SOMETHING CALL THE BLOODY POLICE CAUSE THIS SOUNDS LIKE ABUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry but, no i'm not how could they do that to another person and why didn't she just tell those old perverts to go f@#k the other girl cause they are getting the money anyway.

*breathes deep*
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I see girls as young as the of six reading Ribon Magazine (in which in my day was very "typical shoujo")...in which to my surprise showed and discussed vivid details of "dousei (living together while unmarried), having sex, getting pregnant, considering abortion, etc etc."
yeah u get that here too girls reading magazines that have content in them for 18 but target the 13 age range, kind of disturbing now but when i was that age it wasn't and u have to remember, since having and improved diet, girls develop quicker some mature at 8 years of age the late arrivals are 14.
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Old 2004-10-18, 03:49   Link #65
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WHERE THE HELL ARE THE BLOODY PARENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND IF IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING WHY THE HELL DIDN'T SHE RUN HOME AND IF SHE COULDN'T YOU PPL ALL SAY THAT JAPAN IS OVERCROWED THEN WHY DIDN'T SHE SCREAM HER LUNGS OUT FOR HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OR DO SOMETHING CALL THE BLOODY POLICE CAUSE THIS SOUNDS LIKE ABUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most people who are the victims of bullying don't want to tell anyone for fear of embarrasment and/or more bullying. They fear if they do tell, their peers will look at them as 'sissys' who 'couldn't stand up for themselves'. If the bullies do get into trouble, they will probably seek revenge and bully even more than before.

I know here in the US, recently the government was talking about becoming more involved in preventing bullying at schools. They would even provide funds for schools that promoted anti bully programs. I'm not sure what happened with it as it has been awhile since I've heard about it. But I guess you could say the Columbine incident was a rude awaking to people about how serious a problem bullying could become if not taken care of.
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Old 2004-10-18, 04:31   Link #66
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For example, the schoolgirl that committed suicide that jumped from a ten-story building near here was forced to do enjo-kousai* ("assisted dating") by her bullies so they themselves can take that money away from her to indulge themselves in latest Louis Vittion and Gucci handbags. In the end, she became pregnant, and when she asked her bullies what to do, they jokingly promoted her to die rather than face the embarrassment of living with an unwanted child.

Too bad they didn't think she'd actually commit suicide since now they are all put into a cheap juvenile hall and will probably go out scot-free in six months since they are only minors. All praise the mighty government system where a minor can commit a heinous crime, and they can go out scot-free because they are minors. Hoorah.
How could someone possibly force someone to do this? What kind of threat could you possibly make that would convince this girl to go through with this?? I don't understand why she would have gone through with this, I really don't. KJ1980, if you have the explanation, could you please share it?
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Old 2004-10-18, 04:41   Link #67
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For example, the schoolgirl that committed suicide that jumped from a ten-story building near here was forced to do enjo-kousai* ("assisted dating") by her bullies so they themselves can take that money away from her to indulge themselves in latest Louis Vittion and Gucci handbags. In the end, she became pregnant, and when she asked her bullies what to do, they jokingly promoted her to die rather than face the embarrassment of living with an unwanted child.
'where are the parents' you ask...im asking-where is the fucking goverment?the police?the society?becouse this is a fucking crime!isnt this forbidden by the law?underaged prostitution?making someone against his will to prostitute?isnt this a crime???
ok,so those bullys are the kids of those PTA members of the school(whatever that means),and teachers and regular students wont get involved,otherwise they might lose their jobs/get expelled.Ok,so why dont they put police bodyguards in every school?5 bodyguards each school,not policeman,but ppl who recieved some training,ppl who arent depndent on the school,so they wont fear losing their jobs?wont this help?

i understaind such kind of shit hapening in my country-ppl being above the law,but i cant understaind how can some KIDS in schooluniforms be above the law in a western(eastern in my case btw),well developed country?
dont they go to fucking jail for doing such things?
this is...disturbing..the fact that such shit exists out there is disturbing...
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Old 2004-10-18, 05:04   Link #68
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Most people who are the victims of bullying don't want to tell anyone for fear of embarrasment and/or more bullying. They fear if they do tell, their peers will look at them as 'sissys' who 'couldn't stand up for themselves'.
that is true but this is talking about bulling outside of school why the hell did she let them get a hold of her why didn't she just go straight home and there is a point where u have to choose if u want help or if u want to be hurt and my experience if u let ppl know that u want help they are more then happy to show how tough they can be!

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If the bullies do get into trouble, they will probably seek revenge and bully even more than before.
Yes but now ppl know there is a problem and can look out for the person being bullied and can make a harrassment suit against the bullies, but this can backfire and they can seek revenge.

[/QUOTE] know here in the US, recently the government was talking about becoming more involved in preventing bullying at schools. They would even provide funds for schools that promoted anti bully programs.[QUOTE]

I think that is happening here or did happen with teachers handing out sheets on how to deal with bulling and letting us know how to stop it or that there is always help.

What i find with bullies is that they are stupid with no real aim in life so they try to make someone else feel bad to make themselves feel better eg. Today a very important exam and some meat-head tries to pick on this guy in our grade thats a little strange (fortunely the teacher noticed and stopped it before he had the chance to do anything). This meat-head has no real chance of going well in this exam, so before it, he tries to take it out on someone else to make him feel better of his short comings. True story.

Notice how no one talks about bullies out side of school? is bulling just a school thing
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Old 2004-10-18, 06:04   Link #69
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Here is something for you canadians (ah, well all of us):

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10-07-2003

Mother guilty in 'bullycide'
By Diane Scarponi
Preteen was picked on for body odour Filthy home contributed to death: Jury Associated Press MERIDEN, Conn. A woman was convicted yesterday of contributing to the suicide of her 12-year-old son, who hanged himself in his closet with a necktie after being picked on for months at school over his bad breath and body odour.

Judith Scruggs, 52, was found guilty of one count of risk of injury to a minor for creating a filthy home that prosecutors said prevented Daniel Scruggs from improving his hygiene. She faces up to 10 years in prison when sentenced next month.
Lots to read on bullyonline . A google search for "bullycide" gives lots intersting links.
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Old 2004-10-18, 06:54   Link #70
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Do you really want to get me started complaining about this country? I could probably rant for several pages on all the crap that's wrong with this country and still have more to say.
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Old 2004-10-18, 07:33   Link #71
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Suicide is just the easy way out if you ask me.

Welcome to the real world it sucks ass! Deal with it.
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Old 2004-10-18, 08:12   Link #72
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Kids have it pretty miserable. I can only be thankful I'm not faced with any of that stuff. I got bullied as a kid, but it was just name calling and the occassional shoving. Once I became "one of the jocks" it all ended, anyways.

I ask this of you Japanese citizens who find this bullying situation so troubling- why do you not take a stand? Bring all of this out in the open; it will probably give some people a wake up call. If it truly is as serious a problem as you claim, making it a public issue will attract more and more people who agree with you. My thoughts are that if you were to amass a large group of individuals against bullying, some higher-ups would acknowledge it as a serious issue.

If Japan is anything like where I live, then it is extremely possible. I've seen it happen here many times; in fact, my mother founded a land trust program in order to take a stand against the over-development going on around here. She gained support, which ended up leading to her group becoming a prominent figure in my town. Now, if you ask me, this bullying situation is FAR more serious than over development, so I can say quite confidently that there are a great number of people that would probably be willing to fight against it.

Maybe I don't have a clue what I'm talking about. I'm trying to give some advice based on things I've seen happen in my society, which, for all I know, could be completely different from your's. The fact of the matter is this: the seriousness of bullying in your society is large. If people cannot come to realize this and work together to end it, then I cannot comprehend how any problems are constructively resolved where you live.
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Old 2004-10-18, 08:29   Link #73
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From everything I've read, such as stuff said on these forums, about Japan and its culture, unlike Western countries, if you did "stand up" to the bullies in Japan, the bullies will most definetly put more pressure on you, or if the whole matter becomes public, the school and everyone else, instead of helping you, will most likely tell you to clam up or go somewhere else.



Remember way back when those Japanese hostages in Iraq were finally rescued and went back home to the islands? The entire country shunned them instead of welcoming them, saying they forced the government and society to go out of its way to rescue them. It's like the entire country turned its back on them.

Or those groper incidents. They tell the girls to just clam up and accept it so that they don't create a disturbance by resisting.



Japan is like a very calm, peaceful lake. It's all pretty and stuff, but you tap the surface just a little and the entire lake goes nuts with ripples and disturbances.

Something like that.
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Old 2004-10-18, 09:40   Link #74
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Notice how no one talks about bullies out side of school? is bulling just a school thing
I've seen it at work, when going out at night, etc. Bullying has probably been around for as long as man has exsisted. It's a part of life you just can't escape and no amount of government regulation will ever make bullying completely dissapear. The problem is how do you try and control it so that it doesn't get to the point where people are killing themselves and others.

As for why this girl did't tell someone what was happening, she was probably too scared of the bullies. She probably also felt shame in having to engage in this assisted dating and didn't want her parents, school, ect to find out that she was doing it.

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From everything I've read, such as stuff said on these forums, about Japan and its culture, unlike Western countries, if you did "stand up" to the bullies in Japan, the bullies will most definetly put more pressure on you, or if the whole matter becomes public, the school and everyone else, instead of helping you, will most likely tell you to clam up or go somewhere else.
I agree that standing up for yourself is an uphill battle all the way. I don't think it's a problem exclusive to Japan though. I remember when I was in high school, there was a kid who was bullied because his looks had 'nerd' written all over them(ultra thin, thick glasses, ultra smart, ect). Since it wasn't just one person(more like a group mentality of let's pick on this person because they're nerdy), there was no one person in particular to put blame on. Eventually when he did lash out at start yelling at people to get off his back, the teachers heard him screaming and suspended him for his actions.

So yeah, it's a pretty screwed up situation.
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Old 2004-10-18, 10:33   Link #75
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Of course this has little to do with suicide. I honestly have a positive view of suicide. I do not mean to offend any one, but please hear me out. The largest problem I see facing our world is overpopulation. The population of the world as a whole has never gone down. Nor does it show any indication that it will.
This is going to lead us to some extramly hard choices in the future. Either we are going to have to start killing people, requiered sterilization, or we will not be able to support the population of the world. forcing large parts of the world to die of starvation ect. So while I may miss the person that commited suicide, I apprciate thier help with that problem. Even if it was not thier intent.
Yes, I know people who have commit suicide. Yes I even attempted it myself once (as previously mentioned in this thread, light sockets are bad ways to try and kill yourself).
I am often, by many of my friends, considered an incesitive bastered. Well for all the truth thier may be in that, I cannot but state the obvious, we are destrying the entier world, just so we can fit a few more people, we cannot feed onto it. Life is NOT sacred, if it were wars would not exist, murders would not happen, and mothers would not smother thier own children. People die alot, but not enugh, we need more to go, and soon. I prefer people who would do so voluntaraly for what ever reason, than to force some, or let others die via some of the most painfull ways known to man. Watch some one starve to death and tell me it looks better than breathing in chlorine gas.
You forgot one thing that on a cpl of dozen people that are born into this world there's a genious. And those geniouses might solve our problems with society/overpopulation one day.
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I've only experienced minor bullying when I was on seventh grade, which is the first grade in Finnish high schools. I think it was because I didn't show enough respect for the older students. Once a couple ninth graders blocked the door to one of the school buildings leaving many students trapped inside. I pushed through and as a result I got pushed into a pool of water (in the winter). I immediately cussed harshly at the bastards and then a couple "support pupils" came and took me in to explain the situation. The guilty person was punished for his actions.

The school yard was didivded into areas where snow ball wars are allowed and where they aren't allowed. I wandered too close to the war zone, got pulled in and my face washed with snow by a ninth grader. I stroke back by grabbing some snow and stuffing it in his face. Too bad he and his buddy got revenge on me on my way home...

That's pretty much all the bullying I've received. If I would get seriously bullied today (pshysically), I would surely fight back. I'd probably get some pepper spray or a tazer to do the job if necessary. Name calling I wouldn't care less about and I'm sure it isn't enough to make anyone commit suicide.

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I've only experienced minor bullying when I was on seventh grade, which is the first grade in Finnish high schools. I think it was because I didn't show enough respect for the older students. Once a couple ninth graders blocked the door to one of the school buildings leaving many students trapped inside. I pushed through and as a result I got pushed into a pool of water (in the winter). I immediately cussed harshly at the bastards and then a couple "support pupils" came and took me in to explain the situation. The guilty person was punished for his actions.

The school yard was didivded into areas where snow ball wars are allowed and where they aren't allowed. I wandered too close to the war zone, got pulled in and my fase washed with snow by a ninth grader. I stroke back by grabbing some snow and stuffing it in his face. Too bad he and his buddy got revenge on me on my way home...

That's pretty much all the bullying I've received. If I would get seriously bullied today (pshysically), I would surely fight back. I'd probably get some pepper spray or a tazer to do the job if necessary. Name calling I wouldn't care less about and I'm sure it isn't enough to make anyone commit suicide.
School bullying, cruel teasing, somebody getting someone else in trouble just for kicks or for revenge...that and more happens and I doubt it would ever be possible to completely eliminate it. A better approach would be to give kids a knowledge of the problems they might face while in school and a method of thinking and acting which can help them avoid the problems they recognize and assist them in working out how to solve the problems they couldn't avoid. Sort of like the equivalent of a defensive driving class for kids traveling down the education system highway. Have the kids work out practical "what if" problems they might be faced with as a student and learn about what possible alternative options they might have for best dealing with those problems. Recalling my days in school...those who seemed to be innocent, naive, clueless were the ones most frequently picked on or taken advantage of. Those who seemed to be less naive and had more social experience were frequently the least likely to be picked on or taken advantage of...because they were viewed as difficult targets.
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Old 2004-10-18, 12:29   Link #78
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WHERE THE HELL ARE THE BLOODY PARENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND IF IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING WHY THE HELL DIDN'T SHE RUN HOME AND IF SHE COULDN'T YOU PPL ALL SAY THAT JAPAN IS OVERCROWED THEN WHY DIDN'T SHE SCREAM HER LUNGS OUT FOR HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OR DO SOMETHING CALL THE BLOODY POLICE CAUSE THIS SOUNDS LIKE ABUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The police here does jack. You want to know a likely scenario what would've happened if she went to the police? Here:

Girl gets the courage and goes to the nearest police box to ask for help. The on-duty deputy listens to her plea.

Deputy: "Oh, sorry ma'am, that is a report that needs to be filed at the main police station. Do you know how to get there?" (what he's thinking: "Ah, shit. I don't want to get involved into this crap. Let someone else handle it.")

Girl goes to main police station. The personnel at the counter listens to her plea.

Desk work police officer: "Oh sorry ma'am, you're at the wrong counter. You need to go to XXX department on the XXX floor. Do you need directions?" (what he's thinking: "Ah, shit. I don't want to get involved into this crap. Let someone else handle it.")

Repeat this bureaucratic red-tape bullshit several times. Girl finally gets to a detective that will handle the situation.

Main Detective uses all his wits that he had built up from his experience on how to best handle the situation (read: "I've got tons of other shit to do, so I'll let some inexperienced detective underneath me handle this job for me.")

Inexperienced young detective gets a case from his superior. (read: "Great, my boss gave me this job because he doesn't want to deal with it. Hmm...better do something about this case then. Let me take a look at what the police handbook says on how to deal with these types of cases...")

Inexperienced detective follows what is written on the manual: “Ijime is a classic case of our current system’s malaise. This is a situation where it must be taken proactively as a serious issue. Notify the appropriate authorities and follow proper protocol in the best way to resolve this matter” (read: “we really don’t have any idea how to handle these types of cases, so use your best judgment.”)

Inexperienced detective: “Okay…I’d better go around and investigate this case.” (read: “This handbook gives jack. I’ll just handle this the same way as I do with all other cases.”)

Inexperienced detective goes to school to ask questions to school administrators. He also goes to victim’s house and ask her parents about their daughter being bullied at school. He also heads over to alleged bullies’ house to ask questions.

Main detective asks his inexperienced detective how the case is going.

Main detective: “So kiddo, you’re still working on the case that I gave you?” (read: “It’s been a week already – you are wasting your time on this case.”)

Inexperienced detective: “Yes sir, I’ve been going around and trying to resolve this case. I went to the school, the parent’s house, I’ve interviewed students, etc…” (read: “You lazy tard, I get all this shitty work so you can handle all the important cases.”)

Main detective: “Oh, so the school knows already. Good. So let’s call it case closed since I’ve got an even bigger and important job for you.” (read: “So the school knows, so let the school handle this issue. Case Closed. Here, our local bigshot politician lost his pet dog – I want you on the case to handle it. Remember, he’s a bigshot politician – handle this case with extreme care.”)

Police involvement ends here.

Meanwhile, by this time, thanks to useless police investigations, school administrators, bullies, parents, and students all know what happened. The school also gets a letter from the police that the “case was resolved as we have decided that this is an issue that is not as serious that it can be resolved by your end.”

Girl gets bullied even more.

School administrators and parent-teacher councils have a special conference.

Principal: “Everyone, this is a matter that is very serious. We need to discuss what to do next.”

Parent A: “This is very shocking to us parents. How can this thing happen to this school!! We sent our children to this school because this school was a leading and competitive school. With this shit happening, how do you expect us to feel safe that our children aren’t victims of ijime!? This is all the school’s fault!!”

Teacher: “We cannot look after 200 students everyday! We are only just one teacher! We aren’t here to babysit your children!!”

[heated debate between parents and teachers are exchanged, which leads to nowhere]

Then, some brilliant genius offers an acceptable “compromise”

Some brilliant genius (can be either a school administrator or a parent): “Listen, we all know this debate is getting no-where. But we both have one thing in common – how to best maintain the good image that our school is still a respectable school. Fortunately, the police ended this case – that means we are still good.”

[everyone looks at this brilliant genius in awe]

SBG: “If the teachers are not at fault, and the parents are not at fault, the who is at fault? I believe that it is the person who was bullied that didn’t have the guts to stand up for herself to be at fault

Everyone: “Yeah! That’s right!! She should’ve stood up for herself” (read: “Good, we’re not at fault, let’s put all the blame on the bitch that yapped to the police in the first place.”)

SBG: “So why not ask her and her parents to move away, so we can just hide this under the rug as this never happened?”

Everyone: “Great idea! That way, we can still keep our image that our school is a respectable place of learning, and we can forget about this stupid incident.”

Parent B: “Hey, why don’t we all pitch in with some money to help them move and have their daughter abort their child as well?” (read: “Excellent plan. We all know this is all bullshit, but let’s try to be kind by donating money to them so we can feel good for ourselves that we aren’t all that cold-hearted.”)

School involvement ends here.

Next day, a leading parent of the PTA board and a school administrator knocks on the victim’s house’s door and asks her and her family to move away somewhere.



….hey wait a minute. Think logically, and see what is wrong with this typical scenario.

Began with: Girl goes to police station to ask for help
Ends with: School forcing the girl and her family to move away from here.
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Old 2004-10-18, 12:52   Link #79
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Old 2004-10-18, 13:14   Link #80
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ok,so even after the parents learn from the police that their child has been bullied and eerrmm forced to prostitute-what,even after that they dont do nothing?i mean..if my doughter is being forced to prostitute..oh,boy,im going to wait for the little fuck in a dark street with a steel pipe in my hand,and i wont stop beathing the motherfucker till i cripple him for real
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