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Old 2004-11-09, 05:32   Link #1
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[Manga] Who is Akatsuki's big boss?

let's have a discussion about this, I think te boss is the one that kills obito and injured kakashi's eye, why? bcoz I think that itachi knowledge of mangekyou sharinngan is taught by that person, and that person has a mangekyou sharinngan too


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Old 2004-11-09, 05:38   Link #2
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Note: You really should change the thread's title to include '[Manga]' in it, unsuspecting anime viewers may enter this thread and 'get spoiled'.

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Old 2004-11-09, 05:39   Link #3
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I don't think there is a boss, remember Orchimaru left the akatsuki because of Itachi. In my opinion is that Itachi is one of the strongest, if there was a another who was stronger, Orchimaru would left the akatsuki because of that person. And the person with the strange looking eye's (dont's know for sure if that is the leader) could be a genjutsu specialist , it's a spiral form a form that is also used by hypnose
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Old 2004-11-09, 05:46   Link #4
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in the manga there was itachi saying their leader wanted naruto or something
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Old 2004-11-09, 08:14   Link #5
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I don't think their is a boss, but some senoirs towards the juniors. Like mayb Itachi joined first, then Kisame joined, so Itachi is a Senior compared to Kisame.

That's my theory.
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Old 2004-11-09, 08:19   Link #6
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I don't think their is a boss, but some senoirs towards the juniors. Like mayb Itachi joined first, then Kisame joined, so Itachi is a Senior compared to Kisame.

That's my theory.
But who founded it?
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Old 2004-11-09, 08:22   Link #7
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Old 2004-11-09, 08:28   Link #8
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But who founded it?


heh, am a lil stumped here.

Ok this is what i am going with, The founder has exceptional abilities and recruited these members, by mayb showing off his talents or something. But all the founder needed is like one other person to create the group. Now mayb has time went by they picked up these certain characters, cuz IMO they were chosen. But remember this as the boss gets old the first ppl recruited can become "leader", I duno if it says how long the group has been founded.

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Old 2004-11-09, 09:15   Link #9
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There are quite some facts that hint toward Akatuki having no leader.
  • They don't act like they have a leader, they refer to themselves as we and never talked about "he wants this" or " he ordered us to"
  • They seem to share a common goal, it doesn't appear that they travel the country's to fufill this "leaders" wish or help him aquire his goal. It's pretty clear they decided together to capture the Kyubi.
  • For people like Orochimaru to join, who doesn't seem fond of having somebody above him and order him around it could also mean Akatusuki doesn't have a leader.
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This, ofcourse doesn't mean they are equally strong, but as raikage already said; Strenght does not always determine leadership.

I personally believe Kisame is one of the weaker members, and there are maybe 1 or 2 members who are on Itachis level. Being the stronger member undoubtly has some influence on decision making, as was clearly shown in the fights involving Itachi and Kisame. But a definite boss..no I don't think so.
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Old 2004-11-09, 09:23   Link #10
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i think itachi is not the also oro may have left for itachi being there however that means he was scared of itachi the leader is probly stronger but as not as scary
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Old 2004-11-09, 09:24   Link #11
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In some anime or manga usually the leader or the stronges or powerful one of them all is really the small guy. Like Vegeta whe he was with napa. Or like Hie when he was with Flower guy in YU yu hakusho. So maybe the last one we saw was not the leader but the one who balance everything.
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Old 2004-11-09, 09:35   Link #12
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let's have a discussion about this, I think te boss is the one that kills obito and injured kakashi's eye, why? bcoz I think that itachi knowledge of mangekyou sharinngan is taught by that person, and that person has a mangekyou sharinngan too


don't flame me :fingers:
If you want a discussion.. please say WHY you believe these things.
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Old 2004-11-09, 11:02   Link #13
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I don't think there is a boss, remember Orchimaru left the akatsuki because of Itachi. In my opinion is that Itachi is one of the strongest, if there was a another who was stronger, Orchimaru would left the akatsuki because of that person. And the person with the strange looking eye's (dont's know for sure if that is the leader) could be a genjutsu specialist , it's a spiral form a form that is also used by hypnose
Actually, it turns out that Itachi joined the organization after Orochimaru left Akatsuki. This includes the given fact that Orochimaru left Akatsuki 7 years ago which wouldn't make sense with Itachi being 17 since that would mean that Itachi joined Akatsuki when he was 10 but the problem with that logic would be the stated fact that Itachi was an ANBU captain at the age of 13 along with that being around the time Itachi left Kononha after destroying most of the Uchiha clan. The simple fact is that the whole thing about Orochimaru saying he left Akatsuki because of Itachi was quite simply a mistranslation but he did still say that Itachi is stronger than him.

Well, that's want I've read anyway, go check the Konoha Library section of forums.narutofan.com for further insight.

Also, I would like to say that it just doesn't make sense that Akatsuki is a type of organization without a leader. It's wierd how someone talks about how these guys aren't the type to follow other peoples orders and so forth yet they believe that these type of individuals naturally agree on everything as if their personalities are close enough to the point that they agree on every issue, want, and need. That type of logic doesn't exactly makes sense when it comes to the structure of criminal organizations. The fact is that there is no such thing as a criminal organization in which actions are decided upon strictly through that of a vote of every single one of its members since conflict of interest will come up of course and that there being no leader would only leave room for chaos basically. My own opinion of course.
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Old 2004-11-09, 11:37   Link #14
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Didn't Itachi say: "Abducting Naruto was the order given to us by the higher echelons of our organisation?
There must be 1 more powerfull guy, but I doubt there will be a secons, because oro was described as a very important member. And their strenght differences greatly (Itachi/Kisame)
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Old 2004-11-09, 11:49   Link #15
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Didn't Itachi say: "Abducting Naruto was the order given to us by the higher echelons of our organisation?
There must be 1 more powerfull guy, but I doubt there will be a secons, because oro was described as a very important member. And their strenght differences greatly (Itachi/Kisame)
No that is a (by now famous) mistranslation, he said it was an urgent order by our organisation
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Old 2004-11-09, 15:46   Link #16
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Actually, it turns out that Itachi joined the organization after Orochimaru left Akatsuki.
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The simple fact is that the whole thing about Orochimaru saying he left Akatsuki because of Itachi was quite simply a mistranslation but he did still say that Itachi is stronger than him.
Firstly use the spoiler tag...
Then no it wasn't a mistranslation at all, Oro did say perfectly clearly that he left the Akatsuki because of Itachi's strength.
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Old 2004-11-09, 17:00   Link #17
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i thought Itachi just mastered his sharingan when he was 10
and became the captain of the the ANBU when he was 13
kind of weird...
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Old 2004-11-09, 17:08   Link #18
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Being stronger than a near Hokage level person at 11, that would be dumb. If its true than in 3 years Naruto and Sasuke can be easily stronger than the sannin and also stronger than most of akatsuki members like Kisame. In fact it's the only way they can beat Akatsuki.
There must be some mistranslation or plot hole in timeline.

But after 3 years we will see kage level battles for sure.

Akatsuki is a criminal organization, but they are not working together every day like the maffia/yakuza. They only have one great goal, in other aspects they are only individual. They have not met in seven years, that means there was no need for leader who gives daily orders. So they can work without leader. This seven years time means they were waiting for Naruto to become older, and after that time they checked how is Naruto going and have decided to wait 3 more years. The first to check him was Itachi, surely he was sent because he knew the Leaf village better than the others, and could infiltrate easily. After when Naruto went out of the village we saw that flytrap guy and unknown partner also checking his state.
They maybe split in groups of 2 because they did not trust each other after Orochimaru left. But if they are 9 than one guy does not have a pair, maybe he is the one with those eyes who is said to be the leader. But I think that he is the one coming up with the idea to use the Kyuubi and has some method/jutsu for his goal. But he is not strong enough to safely carry out his plan, that means he is not a leader but the founder.

There was a debate in another thread if there is a female ninja in Akatsuki. So based on one manga page does anybody see some kunoichi siluette there?
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Old 2004-11-09, 17:32   Link #19
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There's just one problem with this no boss thing. Akatsuki has an odd number of ninja and therefore can't travel in groups of two. Perhaps Orochimaru made 10 or there have always been 9 and someone replaced Orochimaru. I think its entirely possible Akatsuki has a boss and the reason the follow him is because they all want power. Think about it. Itachi left Leaf Village because he was strongest than the entire Uchiha clan and probably one of the strongest ninjas in Leaf Village. He felt his potential was being held back. What better wayto gain more strength than to join an organzation of the strongest criminals like himself that has a powerful leader, gigving him room to grow? Then again, the 9th Akatsuki member may just travel by himself and not be the leader, just the solo operated. By the way, did anyone else notice Fly Trap wasn't among the happy group? Perhaps he was on of the bigger guys and his fly trap wasn't activated. Noone had his hair except the last member to speak who everyone thinks might be the leader if anyone is. We'll just have to wait and see how Akatsuki operates. They may be an organization like the jedi who have a master and apprentice relationship and travel in pairs but as a group all members are equal. But with an odd number of charcters there is room for a leader.
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So Itachi was already a member of the organization, before he left the village... I take this as another hint, that he may be on a very big under-cover mission for Konoha.
What?! So big he killed his own parents to become an S ranked criminal?! Not plausible. I do think Kabuto could be a deep throat triple agent working for someone though.
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Old 2004-11-09, 17:37   Link #20
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I am still against the suggestion that the last shown Akatsuki member has a SHARINGAN eye.. that eye pattern is clearly circles.. and the Mangekyou sharingan eye is shown in previous chapters as similar to a regular sharingan eye except the three pupils have longer extended tails.
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