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Old 2004-11-09, 18:14   Link #21
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let's have a discussion about this, I think te boss is the one that kills obito and injured kakashi's eye, why? bcoz I think that itachi knowledge of mangekyou sharinngan is taught by that person, and that person has a mangekyou sharinngan too


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Actually i also think this too....there has to be a reason for the kakashi side story.....and its job it to build us up to revealing who the "leader" is. Thus making him a more meaningful character
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Old 2004-11-09, 18:30   Link #22
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I'm going to say Kakashi has nothing to do with Akatsuki. But his side story is in some way relevant to the show and the upcoming arc. Unless an Akatsuki member was once an S-Class criminal Kakashi and Obito were sent on a mission to fight, and in that battle imortant things happened.... thats the only connection I see. In the end we will understand Kakashi better and value his efforts in the next arc more. Thats what I think the side story is really about.
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Old 2004-11-09, 18:44   Link #23
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So Itachi was already a member of the organization, before he left the village... I take this as another hint, that he may be on a very big under-cover mission for Konoha.
Personally I don't really believe in this theory but it's not completely impossible.
Fact is that the manga didn't show yet Itachi killing anyone from his clan, that from Kakashi's own words he could have been killed by the Tsukiyomi if Itachi wanted to.
He could have messed up the hypnotism jutsu on the woman on purpose to make Jiraiya coming and then leave Naruto to him not only because he was tired from the use of the Mangekyou and the danger represented by fighting a Sannin like Jiraiya but because he didn't really want to kidnap Naruto in the first place.
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But in the end that doesn't explain why he mentally raped the mind of Sasuke, why he did the same thing to Kakashi (even if you can say that he had to hurt him to look plausible for his role) and that the Uchiha clan was whipped out.
Except if they're all hidding somewhere to fool the Akatsuki but seriously that becomes really too far stretched ^^

Anyway I prefer Itachi as a cold and twisted bastard
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Old 2004-11-09, 19:05   Link #24
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The story would go beyond cheese if Itachi somehow faked the extermination of his clan and has been on some secret mission al this time basically faking the entire sahping of Sasuke's character. Yes it would be mindblowing, but cheesy. We should take obvious things at face value. The Uchiha are dead. Itachi simply showed Sasuke how they died. I think Akatsuki had something to do with Itachi's assissination of Shisui. They may have wanted him to get the mangekyo as it would give him a unique trait like Kisame's Samehada. They probably wanted him to kill the Uchiha as an added measure but he decided to spare Sasuke. I don't buy his explanation that he simply wanted to test his power and thats why he killed his own parents and entire extended family. He could have tried to kill the 3rd Hokage to test his strength or killed some ANBU. He had a more meaningful motive he probably didn't feel like telling Sasuke. Its interesting that Itachi hesiatates to kill anyone else when he could easily though. Maybe its part of his tactical personality. He avoided killing Kakashi, Asuma and Kurenai until he found out Kakashi knew about Akatsuki.
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Old 2004-11-09, 19:09   Link #25
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We can only guess at this stage. There is NO WAY any of us can know who the boss is at the moment. Heck, we don't even know who the rest are except that one sticks to the ceiling and says 'yup' at the end of each sentence, one who looks like a venus fly-trap and one who has swirly hyponotic eyes (who I hope has a cool Donjutsu like Itachi!).

Btw, here's a dumb thought of mine. Maybe the Akatsuki previously 'owned' the Kyuubi like over 10 years ago and when it escaped, went to wreak havoc around the world. Although they have since then gone off in the separate ways and done their own thing, like killing a clan or something, their main objective is to still get back Kyuubi and should have become more powerful since then. Maybe they are also worried about Orochimaru because he could use the Sharingan and something else to capture the Kyuubi for his own needs before Akatsuki can do so themselves.

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Old 2004-11-09, 19:12   Link #26
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The whole Itachi-is-on-a-secret-mission theory is so stupid, and it also presumably speaks about how deviant of a person people here think the 3rd was. I mean, really, does anybody here think that the 3rd would -really- sacrifice an entire clan of his village for any reason whatsoever? Even after he gave that rousing your-subordinates-are-your-house speech to Orochimaru after he discovered Orochimaru sacrificed them for edo tensei? I'm sorry, but no flipping way would Sarutobi even consider such a thing.
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Old 2004-11-09, 20:52   Link #27
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that's why we are guessing
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Old 2004-11-09, 21:53   Link #28
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If people thinks Akatsuki has a leader, i strongly believe its a Kage being the leader, but definitely not Hokage or Kazekage, although we have not seen the powers of Raikage, Mizukage and Tsuchikage
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Old 2004-11-09, 22:36   Link #29
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We can only guess at this stage. There is NO WAY any of us can know who the boss is at the moment. Heck, we don't even know who the rest are except that one sticks to the ceiling and says 'yup' at the end of each sentence, one who looks like a venus fly-trap and one who has swirly hyponotic eyes (who I hope has a cool Donjutsu like Itachi!).

Btw, here's a dumb thought of mine. Maybe the Akatsuki previously 'owned' the Kyuubi like over 10 years ago and when it escaped, went to wreak havoc around the world. Although they have since then gone off in the separate ways and done their own thing, like killing a clan or something, their main objective is to still get back Kyuubi and should have become more powerful since then. Maybe they are also worried about Orochimaru because he could use the Sharingan and something else to capture the Kyuubi for his own needs before Akatsuki can do so themselves.

Yea....I'm chatting sh*t. :fingers:
That's actually a very interesting theory. They could've started collecting Youma's way back. It sounds as if one of the members already have control of youma & Kyuubi's next on the list. That could also be why Itachi's was sent to get Naruto. He's from Konoha & knows the people in it. He'd have a better chance of capturing Naruto then someone from another village.

In one of the Sasuke flashbacks, I remember someone saying Itachi started to act strange ever since he joined the ANBU, maybe that's how he first heard of Akatsuki, or had contact with them.

I also believe the Uchiha clan (except Sasuke) is gone, completely wiped out. Itachi may have another reason for slaughtering everyone, but there's no way anyone's alive. Not everything in the manga has a little secret shocker that's to be revealed later.
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Old 2004-11-09, 22:49   Link #30
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I devised a similar theory that Akatsuki are collecting youma, perhaps for some ritual.
I don't believe Kyuubi is their only goal as Jiraiya said they gather different types of powers in the world, Kyuubi is just one of those things. We may find out more about Itachi, how he got in the organization and what his motives for what he does are in the future as Kishimoto likes to reveal a charcters entire past from their perspective. Itachi probably did come across Akatsuki in one of his missions or perhaps was involved from an early age before even being in ANBU. Either way as far as this topic goes we don't even know if Akatsuki has a boss but I'm betting they do because Itachi and Kisame are clearly not equals. They probably have a leader but, we'll see.
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Old 2004-11-09, 22:57   Link #31
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There's just one problem with this no boss thing. Akatsuki has an odd number of ninja and therefore can't travel in groups of two. Perhaps Orochimaru made 10 or there have always been 9 and someone replaced Orochimaru.
I can't remember off the top of my head but has anyone in the Manga specifically stated that they always travel in the same pairs? I mean you can have an odd number of members and still only travel in pairs if you alternate the pairs that go out on missions. Obviously i'm assuming the Akatsuki all live seperately here, but just WTF do the members get up to on their days off I wonder? Watch the 24hr shopping channels to see if there are any juicy bargains worth acquiring for their collection? Surf the internet looking for free porn (all respectable villains shouldn't be paying)?

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Think about it. Itachi left Leaf Village because he was strongest than the entire Uchiha clan and probably one of the strongest ninjas in Leaf Village. He felt his potential was being held back. What better wayto gain more strength than to join an organzation of the strongest criminals like himself that has a powerful leader, gigving him room to grow?
I would imagine joining an organisation with no leader were everyone's working towards a common goal without any strict adherence towards regular get togethers would be just as (if not more) appealing to a guy who recently killed his whole clan because he felt they were dragging him down.

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By the way, did anyone else notice Fly Trap wasn't among the happy group? Perhaps he was on of the bigger guys and his fly trap wasn't activated. Noone had his hair except the last member to speak who everyone thinks might be the leader if anyone is.
I know i've said this in the chap238 discussion thread, but i'm starting to feel that the Fly Trap guy could well be the one that's furthest to the right in the group picture. Mainly because that's one huge head the ninja has and the shape could match the fly trap contraption, not to mention the little spikey things at the bottom of the head outline are shaped like the "teeth" of the plant thing shown in chapter 234. Also it's this ninja that states that Oro has gained a Sharingan (in which case we can assume this guy - be he the fly trap guy, or possibly his partner - followed Sasuke after the Naruto fight). One last thing as well, I do not know if Inane keep the same font effects from the original Japanese but the during the ninja's first appearance in ch234 he speaks with the same font affect as shown in ch238.
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Old 2004-11-09, 23:07   Link #32
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Yeah that member resting in the corner could very well be flytrap. I always pictured him as being a giant. Those spikes do look more like hair than the fly trap mouths though. He does speak in that crazy font and he is the only one doing it so its gotta be him, not to mention the fact that he'd be the member who knows Orochimaru got Sasuke. It isn't any of the others clearly. And he may not always have that flytrap look all the time. Probably some jutsu or part of his body he can show off at anytime.
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Old 2004-11-09, 23:24   Link #33
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Yeah that member resting in the corner could very well be flytrap. I always pictured him as being a giant. Those spikes do look more like hair than the fly trap mouths though. He does speak in that crazy font and he is the only one doing it so its gotta be him, not to mention the fact that he'd be the member who knows Orochimaru got Sasuke. It isn't any of the others clearly. And he may not always have that flytrap look all the time. Probably some jutsu or part of his body he can show off at anytime.
haha speak in crazy font....
u do realize that this is translation right?
and i dont think they have a leader.
its more of a equal in terms of leadership, but they know who is strong.
and i think the guy in the last panel is the strongest. The guy with weird 3 layer eye and spiky hair like naruto's
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Old 2004-11-09, 23:39   Link #34
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haha speak in crazy font....
u do realize that this is translation right?
and i dont think they have a leader.
its more of a equal in terms of leadership, but they know who is strong.
and i think the guy in the last panel is the strongest. The guy with weird 3 layer eye and spiky hair like naruto's
Isn't it just as possible the raw has a crazy font? I could check but font can be a tell tell sign to who exactly is speaking even if it is a translation.
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Old 2004-11-09, 23:46   Link #35
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Ok I thought i'd number the Akatsuki group photo for ease of reference:

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From the picture I gather:

1 = Kisame
3 or 4 = Itachi (most likely 3)
8 = Weird eyes bloke
9 = Fly Trap Dude (maybe?)

Now it's interesting that it's # 8 that people have been guessing could be the leader, but if you look at the (possible) focus of the people, it kinda looks like they're all looking towards members #4 or #6 (most likely #4 - who could possibly be Itachi).
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Old 2004-11-09, 23:46   Link #36
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I don't think there is a boss, remember Orchimaru left the akatsuki because of Itachi. In my opinion is that Itachi is one of the strongest, if there was a another who was stronger, Orchimaru would left the akatsuki because of that person.
I was under the assumption Orochimaru left akatsuki because Itachi was more powerful than him, which meant he couldn't take his body anymore because Itachi was strong enough to prevent it and thus ending Orochimaru's quest for Itachi's body, so he quit the organzation because he was only in it to get close to Itachi.
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Old 2004-11-09, 23:51   Link #37
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haha speak in crazy font....
u do realize that this is translation right?
and i dont think they have a leader.
This is why I wonder how anal Inane are about maintaining the original "feel" of the text. If they keep the same (or a similar) style of font effect for the "weird" voices that the Japanese text use then it's quite easy to guess that it's the same voice in chapters 234 and 238.
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Old 2004-11-09, 23:54   Link #38
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Ok I thought i'd number the Akatsuki group photo for ease of reference:

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From the picture I gather:

1 = Kisame
3 or 4 = Itachi (most likely 3)
8 = Weird eyes bloke
9 = Fly Trap Dude (maybe?)

Now it's interesting that it's # 8 that people have been guessing could be the leader, but if you look at the (possible) focus of the people, it kinda looks like they're all looking towards members #4 or #6 (most likely #4 - who could possibly be Itachi).
Nice. I'd like to point out that number 3's hair style is nothing like Itachi which could only leave number 4. Kisame and number 4 seem to be facing each other I don't see the group looking at a particular person. The "weird eyes" guy could be the leader but he could also just be the last to speak. I can't wait until all these villains come out of the shadows and we get to know them and what they're all about.
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Old 2004-11-10, 00:13   Link #39
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i think when kisame took orders from itachi back whith the quarrel with jiraiya was because itachi used up to much energy trying to escape from jir. frog jitsu.
had he not the most likely would have stayed to pursue naruto. i think kisame instead of pushing felt that if itachi didnt want to stay there must be a reason for it
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Old 2004-11-10, 00:23   Link #40
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Maybe there are 10 members in the group. I know Jiraiya said that the Akatsuki contained 9 members, but remember that VFT member? When we were introduced to him for the first time, it seemed as if he were having a nice little chat with himself. Maybe the guy is really composed of two individual people, kind of like Sakon.

Also Jiraiya said that the group moved in pairs, so that would explain why we saw him by himself.

Does this make some sense, Im really tired and Im not sure if I worded this so that you could understand what Im getting at...
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