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Old 2004-11-16, 22:23   Link #21
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I use sympatico unlimited.. and yes i download anime like crazy. I just pay 45.99/mo. for a 10,0Mbits/s and goes preuty fast

I leave bittorent open all day and night.
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Old 2004-11-16, 22:37   Link #22
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Nothing to worry about. All Singaporeans have to do is donate their bandwith to the SETI project. Imagine users in Singapore donating their bandwith out of spite for the new regulations and talking terabytes here. And there are 3 million users with a sizable portion leaving their internet on 24 hours. And if we find the service too slow, simply flood their emails, techlines and complain to the consumer association for fraudulent advertisements of fast internet connectivity and so on. 2 weeks of this and there will be an amendment to the law made by parliament.

Finally SETI gonna get a massive boost in computing power.
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Old 2004-11-16, 22:42   Link #23
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So if you download, you will go to prison ?
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Hmm....so downloading anime via bittorrent is not really counted? Better hope so....my cousin spends much more time downloading stuffs like movies and games and he's more informed about such stuffs. But seriously, I once got a warning from my ISP. That really freak me out. Luckily, that's the first and last time I got that warning.
The authorities are more concerned with the materials on your computer harddrive than what you are downloading. You could be browsing thousand of webpages talking about potatos and downloading their own public videos of what makes a potato a potato, for all the authorities care. The authorities are more concerned with those who have tonnes of copyrighted materials on their hard drives.

Still, if you had downloaded or copied from friends through CDs, a lot of 'pirated' stuff and if the authorities were to suddenly 'pop' into your house one day with a search warrant and find your hard drive stuffed full with gigabytes of these copyrighted materials ( films, songs, electronic copies of books, etc ), you are likely to be the first to find out what they will do to private 'pirates'.

Most police arrests are due to tip-offs ( informants ) and correlated with their own observations of suspicious activities ( stakeouts, investigations, getting relevant companies to co-operate with them through public procedures ), so be wary of who looks into your personal computer at home.
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Old 2004-11-16, 23:39   Link #24
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I use sympatico unlimited.. and yes i download anime like crazy. I just pay 45.99/mo. for a 10,0Mbits/s and goes preuty fast

I leave bittorent open all day and night.
I have the same plan, All though Torrents download at 15 KB/s or less, And my mom whines about it being slow when i'm downloading Anime. Also mom got suckered into getting the MSN Bullshit thing, after telling her it was No good.
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Old 2004-11-17, 00:06   Link #25
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Oh man how glad I am now, living in Sweden and not in Singapore.
And just bully the canadians that got to know downloading is illegal there...
It is legal in Sweden (and sharing (uploading) things that you don't have a full copy of is legal, also heard something about it being legal as long as it isn't for commercial use ). Feel the power of laws.

But to get back on track...that's so sad, you have no thougths on starting an organization like "piratbyran" (organization in sweden that trys to give another perspective on downloading stuff than organizations like RIAA) in singapore?
I am sure you could get some help with doing that otherwise.

Now attack the authoritys and make them withdraw that law!
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Old 2004-11-17, 02:02   Link #26
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Hm... so you mean they will actually go after individuals and if they get a tipoff or whatever they may actually check your harddrive? What if I burn everything and hide it somewhere

All the same I won't be surprised if nothing happens, but still, ...

Singaporeans loooove to take thigns the cheap way out :P At least that is what it seems, heh.
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Old 2004-11-17, 03:17   Link #27
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Hm... so you mean they will actually go after individuals and if they get a tipoff or whatever they may actually check your harddrive? What if I burn everything and hide it somewhere
No.... I am saying that the typical case of policeman actually arresting people tends to stem from them getting tip-offs about the crime in the first place. There is no 'big brother' system to monitor for such activities that would not be announced to the people. To hide it is too difficult ( it would be resource inefficient ) since the very first public trial of a criminal caught by this act would very likely expose such a monitoring system. So the arrest of such criminals is still all down to good old police work ( tipoffs, stake outs, etc )

To further clarify all of this. It is quite evident that the trade pact between Singapore and United States of America is a key cause for this recent revision of the law ( making it from a civil law into a federal law ). What this means is that the persecuting parties ( the ones the government has to support ) would be the American media companies and their associates, meaning the priority target the government would be cracking down would be the illegal organisations that are 'pirating' Western songs, books and films.

It is also likely that the Hong Kong film and music industry ( mind as well include Taiwan as well ) would try to jump onto the bandwagon as well and receive such assurances from the government too.

Hence the key contrabands concerned consists of movies, television series, songs and books ( though I suspect the last is not a high priority ).

Japanese firms has not been a prominent copyright pursuer in Singapore for the past few years. As such, it is not likely that their interests are as prominent as the Western firms are in the eyes of the Singapore government. So if there is a drive to flush out offenders of the revised law, it would likely be focused more on the media of the said interests above ( the West, HK & TW ).

Of course, once Sony, Bandai and Pioneer learns of this revision and if they observed that the Singaporean government actually enforces it, who knows if they will come down and invite the government for a nice talk on how they would like to do more business in the country ( e.g. expanding operations, employ more staff, invest in more local productions, etc ). Then their interests ( anime is one of them ) will become meshed with Singapore's interests as well. ( Before anyone raise a cry about this, this is a common policy adopted by any and every country in matters of economics and politics ).

Actually what I am more interested to see of this revised law is whether it will drive the bootleg products out of the Singaporean market, since the heavy majority of bootleg products on the shelves of Singaporean stores these days is bootleg anime.

If these bootlegs are rid off the shelves, would the retailers then start to import in the R3 from Hong Kong and Taiwan ( Maybe even R1 and R4, however with an impending sense of region-free players being ceased from distribution on the market, this would be risky to the companies concerned ).

Quite hopefully, this might give hope to the Singaporean animation media companies ( ODEX and Blue Max ) that they will have a bigger client base that they can start expanding their local R3 DVD lineups ( which would have again the uniqueness of being legal licensed DVDs with English and Chinese subtitles )

Sidenote ( off topic perhaps ) : Blue Max has released R3 DVDs of Full Metal Panic and Naruto with English and Chinese subtitles now. One criticism I have over this is that they are just giving the quality of bootlegs ( FMP : 26 episodes on 3 DVDs ) with the same price as the bootlegs but giving the consumer the benefit of the product being legal ( hence money is poured back to the original animation company in some form ). Maybe if the bootlegs are wiped out by this revised law, they would go back to putting true DVD quality animes back on the shelf.

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All the same I won't be surprised if nothing happens, but still, ...

Singaporeans loooove to take thigns the cheap way out :P At least that is what it seems, heh.
Generally, that is a correct statement to make.
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Old 2004-11-17, 04:47   Link #28
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Ok...I get it....so nothing will happen to me if I download unlicensed anime? I mean those unlicensed in Singapore. I don't really care much about whether or not able to continue download games or movies etc. I only want anime!
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Old 2004-11-17, 11:07   Link #29
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I must say, I'm glad I wasn't born a Singaporean. I hear you get lashed and whipped for litter.

Whereas over here in the US, they can't even properly stop people under 21 from drinking. Hell, they were too incompetent to successfully pull off illegalizing alcohol, so whaddya know.
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Old 2004-11-17, 21:51   Link #30
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Lashed and whipped!? Do we have that!? Wait.....I think we did. And from what I heard, the whip they used can ripped off part of your skin and you can't even sit for days. Ouch

Anyway, we can't blame our Singapore government. We pretty much depend heavily on the tourism industry so its very important that we kept our environment clean. Its really a lot different with other countries, since Singapore is a lot (way lot) smaller than most countries. Its a lot easier to govern a small country compared to the big ones. Laws here are being heavily enforced, and Singapore ain't known as a 'fine' city for nothing.
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Old 2004-11-18, 13:39   Link #31
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like i said...

ha ha

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Old 2004-11-18, 20:27   Link #32
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I'm sure there are plenty of ways to go around this.

Are they only targeting bittorrent users?
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Old 2004-11-18, 21:02   Link #33
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I'm sure there are plenty of ways to go around this.

Are they only targeting bittorrent users?
He said they're checking for internet traffic, soo that literally means you're screwed.
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Old 2004-11-19, 05:45   Link #34
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Seriously, I find it pretty unfair to us people. I don't mind them catching those people that download illegal stuffs.....but is it wrong to download animes that are not copyrighted by the local companies? Then what's the use of subscribing to broadband and cables? I'm sure people won't spent the whole day and year just playing online games!
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Old 2004-11-19, 06:21   Link #35
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Don't care.

If I D/L big files via P2P software and burn them to a CD/DVD ASAP once it is done.When they came knocking on my door but cannot find anything on my HDD,what can they don huh ? Charge me without proof ? I charge back with with harrassing my privacy lah.

Why all Singaporean kenna scare to death by just this little piece of rumour huh ? Kanena beh, typical Singapore mentality, scare of the Gamen. They wan they come lah. At most they throttle my internet traffic, but I can hack them leh.
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Old 2004-11-19, 06:40   Link #36
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Don't care.

If I D/L big files via P2P software and burn them to a CD/DVD ASAP once it is done.When they came knocking on my door but cannot find anything on my HDD,what can they don huh ? Charge me without proof ? I charge back with with harrassing my privacy lah.

Why all Singaporean kenna scare to death by just this little piece of rumour huh ? Kanena beh, typical Singapore mentality, scare of the Gamen. They wan they come lah. At most they throttle my internet traffic, but I can hack them leh.
they cant enter your house without a warrant thus you wont be able to sue for invasion of privacy or harassment ^^

unless the police do something wrong like. beat you up whilst asking "wheres the burned CD's"
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Old 2004-11-19, 06:53   Link #37
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If they wan to go every house search ah......everyone also kenna wan lah.

You know how Singaporean mentality are lah, Cheap = Good, Free Best !

Surely everyone house got pirated movie VCD/Porn VCD one, and their HDD sure got MP3s and porn one lah.

They arrest everyone and throw them inside Changi Prison, then prison machem WW II time wif Ang Moh POW in there.

By tat time, who is going to work to sustain Gamen economy ? Relak lah,bruthers. This one no big deal one.

PS :- Talking Singlish here, hope that's not a big deal with everybody here.
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Old 2004-11-19, 19:24   Link #38
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Haha...That's a very heavy Singlish tone
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Old 2004-11-19, 20:08   Link #39
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Yea, took me two, three tries to understand it somewhat. Anyone mind *me* talking finglish? Nöy?

They do not really need actual evidence. It the same matter everywhere with routine police jobs: if you could had done it, there is a sign you did it, and you probably did it, it means you did it. End of discussion, whine at court if you dare and pay the fines.

Also, to pick out BitTorrent traffic they have to follow your Internet usage quite closely; not just by the amount, but by the packages sent/received, which means the same as utter privacy violation. Dunno how it is there, but around here it is quite important.

(So start using SSH )
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Old 2004-11-19, 20:22   Link #40
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Like I've put it.

If they want to get serious, every home user on my little island nation will get it.It's just too much of a hassel.

Most likely it will be like what they did to the Pirate Industry here 3-4 years back.

A brife history here :-
Our little Island Nation was a bit of a pirate heaven here selling warez and pirated movies in the open 4-5 years back with the police force just acting on them when there's complain.In other words, they could not be bothered with the pirates.

It's only after our Government sign a few free trade agreements with other nations that they start to crack down on piracy hard.What they go after is the main source of piracy, those local pirate syndicates but none of the buyers who are the oridinary people. But the end result is that there's still people peddling warez on the streets today, the government could have eradicate every last one of the syndicates given the size of our nation.It seems all they did was to put up a show to show that "yah,you see, we can get serious." It seems even more so of a facade that they have not gone pirate hunting for quite a while now.

So cracking down on BT will just be the trend for them as of now, as time pass, they'll start slacking down again.

Just a scare tactic by them, at most just limit your D/L until the storm passes.
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