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Old 2012-12-02, 00:12   Link #7881
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WTF

They're still nerfing Terran?

Drop the pretense and remove Terran, thanks. Blizzard and Nerf should really strike a deal with each other, since the former only knows about the later.

"It's nerf or nothing"
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Old 2012-12-02, 18:21   Link #7882
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Is there any place where I can grab this game for $20 or less?
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Old 2012-12-02, 22:21   Link #7883
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So...any lore fans here? Just finished reading Starcraft: Flashpoint.

It really, REALLY makes me wish that Christie Golden was just given free reign of the Starcraft story from the get-go and to do with it as she pleases, and have the missions be fit around her story, rather than just do the bridging stuff. Honestly, Flashpoint was the best fiction book I've read in a long time, just by how much I was emotionally attached to the characters as she wrote them.

Valerian: hey, new kid's a badass and is definitely a step up from his old man.
Arcturus: can't wait till that bastard gets his comeuppance.
Raynor: still the biggest badass this side of the universe.
Kerrigan: Not enough hugs have been given to her. Nowhere close to enough hugs. And it really, really saddens me that Heart of the Swarm is going to put the kibosh on turning her back to her 100% human form, until perhaps the end of Legacy of the Void.

I'm still holding out for a Jim/Sarah GOOD END, b/c I feel with blizz F'ing up the warcraft plotline with all the WoW nonsense, Diablo never really having a compelling story, that the Starcraft universe would be its last chance to actually have an ending of relative happiness and hope, instead of "well, everyone that was lucky enough to survive will be scarred for life and will most likely be miserable from now until whenever, but at least all life as we know it didn't end, so we're cool, right?"
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Old 2012-12-03, 07:34   Link #7884
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Jim/Sarah GOOD END will happen only if they both disappear from the universe. Faking their deaths or something. There will be a Starcraft 3 someday. And the only way the two of them can get some peace and quiet is complete retirement. Let some Matriarch take over Kerragan's job and Jimmy already got good men ready to replace him.

I want Mira Han to come back as a female Han Solo too. She is just too memorable for me.
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Old 2012-12-03, 14:42   Link #7885
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Jim/Sarah GOOD END will happen only if they both disappear from the universe. Faking their deaths or something. There will be a Starcraft 3 someday. And the only way the two of them can get some peace and quiet is complete retirement. Let some Matriarch take over Kerragan's job and Jimmy already got good men ready to replace him.
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On that matter some updates for HOTS beta

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Terran
1. Redesign Thor ability/Raven seeker missile
2. Push early game Reaper a bit more
3. Hellbats better against melee units, not necessarily better vs. Ranged.
4. We'd really like to see more Medivac usage like we saw in Wings for a time in the past. Currently thinking on a cooldown based speed booster ability.
5. Buff Bio in the late game - with the addition of new units in HotS, we feel Bio in the late game is a bit weak.
6. Buff mech in general - we'd like to maybe test combining the vehicle and air upgrades at the armory.

Zerg
1. Hydralisk movement speed upgrade to Lair
2. Mutalisk buff to speed and/or acceleration
3. Ultralisk changed to be good vs. all ground
4. Nerf Infestor quite heavily
5. Make it easier to unburrow and reposition Swarm Hosts

Protoss
1. Redesign Voidray - we're currently thinking of having the player choose when to activate the charge up ability.
2. Oracle - pulsar beam would now overlap too much with the new Voidray, so we'd like to change the Oracle to be more of a worker harasser.
3. Buff DTs not necessarily for the DT rush case, but to have DTs more often in the late game.
4. Nerf Vortex - we don't like how all or nothing this ability is in Wings, and with new unit adds, we feel we can remove or phase out this ability.
5. Fix Tempests to not counter all late tech Zerg. We currently don't like how Zerg can't go Tier 3 units if Tempests are in play.
6. Make Voidray + Phoenix + Oracle combo a viable strat overall.These are our current thoughts for each of the races. And please remember none of these changes are final. Our hope is to move into the more fine tuning stages if this major patch turns out well.
Combining upgrades is nice but the BC still suffers from the Templar feedback even with them.

And $50 says that Blizzard will revert the buffs for Terrans/Protoss and revert the nerfs for Zerg just cause.

And faster Mutas? Good lord those things are fast enough as it is.
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Old 2012-12-03, 20:38   Link #7886
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So...any lore fans here? Just finished reading Starcraft: Flashpoint.

It really, REALLY makes me wish that Christie Golden was just given free reign of the Starcraft story from the get-go and to do with it as she pleases, and have the missions be fit around her story, rather than just do the bridging stuff. Honestly, Flashpoint was the best fiction book I've read in a long time, just by how much I was emotionally attached to the characters as she wrote them.

Valerian: hey, new kid's a badass and is definitely a step up from his old man.
Arcturus: can't wait till that bastard gets his comeuppance.
Raynor: still the biggest badass this side of the universe.
Kerrigan: Not enough hugs have been given to her. Nowhere close to enough hugs. And it really, really saddens me that Heart of the Swarm is going to put the kibosh on turning her back to her 100% human form, until perhaps the end of Legacy of the Void.

I'm still holding out for a Jim/Sarah GOOD END, b/c I feel with blizz F'ing up the warcraft plotline with all the WoW nonsense, Diablo never really having a compelling story, that the Starcraft universe would be its last chance to actually have an ending of relative happiness and hope, instead of "well, everyone that was lucky enough to survive will be scarred for life and will most likely be miserable from now until whenever, but at least all life as we know it didn't end, so we're cool, right?"
Blizzard's writing is umm, marginally worse than their attempts at balancing their game. I guess Brood War had a okay plot, though Starcraft 2's plots has more ass pulls than a number of silly anime.
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Old 2012-12-04, 02:47   Link #7887
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Old 2012-12-05, 18:37   Link #7888
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Sorry for the double post These are the balance patch notes for the new HOTS patch

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Thor change is awesome btw, Medivac recovery change is OP it should be less... like 12 or something IMO, but the movement speed boost is nice, Raven Seeker Missile it's an earlier Yamato Gun, and the armory upgrade changes are awesome...

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Old 2012-12-05, 18:56   Link #7889
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Oh wow so now the Thor IS a goliath

On that matter has the energy been removed then? That would open up new possibilites for PvT
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Old 2012-12-05, 20:24   Link #7890
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Judging from the lack of responses there is no way to get the game for around $20.
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Old 2012-12-06, 04:39   Link #7891
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Judging from the lack of responses there is no way to get the game for around $20.
There was a sale a few weeks back, but other than that, not really.
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Old 2012-12-06, 06:07   Link #7892
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So Thors are no longer hard counters to mass voids or mutas?
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Old 2012-12-06, 06:12   Link #7893
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So Thors are no longer hard counters to mass voids or mutas?
I doubt you'd ever find yourself in a situation where it'd be mass Thor vs Voids unless it were some funky team game. Marines and Vikings already provide enough anti-air against Protoss. Furthermore, Thors don't get the light armor bonus against Voids since the latter is armored.

I think Mutas will see much more usage in TvZ now, though especially if Mech becomes the dominant playstyle as opposed to standard marine/tank (occasional tank-less biomech) and occasional pure bio.
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Old 2012-12-06, 11:26   Link #7894
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I doubt you'd ever find yourself in a situation where it'd be mass Thor vs Voids unless it were some funky team game. Marines and Vikings already provide enough anti-air against Protoss. Furthermore, Thors don't get the light armor bonus against Voids since the latter is armored.

I think Mutas will see much more usage in TvZ now, though especially if Mech becomes the dominant playstyle as opposed to standard marine/tank (occasional tank-less biomech) and occasional pure bio.
Well, to be honest, pure mech just used to absolutely wreck Zerg. It wasn't a fair contest at all. Hellions -> Thors were just ridiculous. Then it changed, and people did the bio-mech tank + marine ball.. So we'll see where it goes from here..

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Old 2012-12-06, 11:35   Link #7895
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So Thors are no longer hard counters to mass voids or mutas?
Thor has two modes.

Explosive payload which I'm assuming is the regular AA attack which is good against light air units.

High Impact with flat 24 damage and range 10 makes it like the goliath to deal with armoured air units.

Vikings IMO will still be needed but now you don't need too many.
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Old 2012-12-07, 17:05   Link #7896
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I thought both thors and vikings were balls against mutas by now?

So let's see. It's been 2.5 years since Sc2 came out. The last balance changes to BW were about this time after inital release... so let's see if they have any clue atm.

-- Massive Infestor Nerf. Well, I hate infestors myself and think they let any Zerg scrub to look much better than they are, but is this Blizzard's modern solution to everything. Make it so useless that it gets removed?

-- Mutalisk speed buff--- lawl. Do they suck now or something? Oh, Widow mines seem pretty OP to me.

-- Reaper Buff. Incoming Protoss QQ. Pro Tip to Blizz: Never listen to Protoss players. They are all scum that want ez mode. Well, Idra is Zerg but he was initally Protoss in sc2...

-- Raven's a hard unit to balance to be fair.

-- Hey Dark Shrine is cheaper now. It took only two years to remedy your fuck up. Nice.

I don't know. Not sure if I'll buy the expansion, but it looks like I'll wait for guinea pigs to test it out first. Send me a beta invite bitches.
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Old 2012-12-07, 21:45   Link #7897
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So Thors are no longer hard counters to mass voids or mutas?
Thors still work for anti-void ray. But, they can't be alone either.
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Old 2012-12-07, 23:08   Link #7898
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Biggest thing going for terrain is a good ground tier 2 and 3
Zerg ground unit suck by 10 to 20 min mark
Toss need to go robot or air because gateways units only useful as shields
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Old 2013-01-22, 05:09   Link #7899
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Heart of the Swarm Opening Cinematic :

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First time we see the Viking and Siege Tank transformations in the CG cinematics
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Wow look at the scale. That's impressive.
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