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Old 2004-12-31, 03:17   Link #1
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New laws?

Back when the RIAA started sueing, people stated that you can still download if you don't upload, and you will be safe,

Recently i have found articals that lead me to belive that Bush signed a law that "corrects" that little problem.

So what's the deal?
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Old 2004-12-31, 03:43   Link #2
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Back when the RIAA started sueing, people stated that you can still download if you don't upload, and you will be safe,

Recently i have found articals that lead me to belive that Bush signed a law that "corrects" that little problem.

So what's the deal?
Don't live in US, problem solved
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Old 2004-12-31, 03:45   Link #3
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got any links?
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Old 2004-12-31, 04:08   Link #4
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Hmm, it's possible, stuff that the public won't like doesn't generally get much media coverage, if any at all. That would explain why I haven't heard of it. Isn't democracy wonderful? Still someone usually picks up these stories even if the mainstream media ignores it. Like Hobo, I'd need some links to convince me.
Of course, even if true, it strikes me as something the supreme court will overturn one day.
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Old 2004-12-31, 06:52   Link #5
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I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure you the only reason you were safe by not uploading was because the RIAA was checking if people had pirated songs, movies, etc. based on what they could search for and find.

Like, on Kazaa, which they hit the hardest, they'd find you by what you were sharing. Not by what you were downloading.

Also, the only bill I know Bush to have put into effect that allows for them to look at your computer is the Patriot Act. Which, if I'm not mistaken, allows for them to check your computer whenever they want as long as they suspect you of doing something illegal.
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Old 2004-12-31, 07:06   Link #6
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there is a swedish bittorrent place called the piratebay and they get letters from sega and other companies where it stands they should stop uploading there games, videos etc.
this what the letters and the answers from piratebay looks like:

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Originally Posted by some company called dreamworks
This letter is being written to you on behalf of our
client, DreamWorks SKG (hereinafter ^”DreamWorks^‘).
DreamWorks is the exclusive owner of all copyright,
trademark and other intellectual property rights in
and to the ^”Shrek 2^‘ motion picture. No one is
authorized to copy, reproduce, distribute, or
otherwise use the ^”Shrek 2^‘ motion picture without
the express written permission of DreamWorks.

As you may be aware, Internet Service Providers can
be held liable if they do not respond to claims of
infringement pursuant to the requirements of the
Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). In
accordance with the DMCA, we request your assistance
in the removal of infringements of the ^”Shrek 2^‘
motion picture from this web site and any other sites
for which you act as an Internet Service Provider.
We further declare under penalty of perjury that we
are authorized to act on behalf of DreamWorks and
that the information in this letter is accurate.
Please contact me immediately to discuss this matter
further.
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As you may or may not be aware, Sweden is not a state in the United States
of America. Sweden is a country in northern Europe.
Unless you figured it out by now, US law does not apply here.
For your information, no Swedish law is being violated.

Please be assured that any further contact with us, regardless of medium,
will result in
a) a suit being filed for harassment
b) a formal complaint lodged with the bar of your legal counsel, for
sending frivolous legal threats.

It is the opinion of us and our lawyers that you are fucking morons, and
that you should please go sodomize yourself with retractable batons.

Please also note that your e-mail and letter will be published in full on
the pirate bay

Go fuck yourself.

Polite as usual,
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prett nice shit there is a response from them which is very very funny and cocky as hell. I'll post it when I find it.
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Old 2004-12-31, 07:20   Link #7
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there is a swedish bittorrent place called the piratebay and they get letters from sega and other companies where it stands they should stop uploading there games, videos etc.
this what the letters and the answers from piratebay looks like:





prett nice shit there is a response from them which is very very funny and cocky as hell. I'll post it when I find it.
I read these as well but indexing links to warez is different form downloading/uploading warez. That's like comparing AnimeSuki to a HTTP/FTP warez download site.
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Old 2004-12-31, 15:30   Link #8
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Old 2004-12-31, 16:38   Link #9
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Unlike Sweden, Canada is a Bitch to the RIAA and MPAA

Also I liked the Letters they got aswell, Very Entertraining
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Old 2004-12-31, 16:53   Link #10
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In America you have the right to have one copy of any form of digital media you purchased legally in your possession at any point in time. So if you bought a Musical CD, Software, etc you can make a "backup copy" and store it on your computer or burn it to CD, etc.

Though it's basically stealing to download copyrighted work (if the copyright has relevance in your country) that you don't already have a purchased copy of, it's been this way for many years. Bush didn't have anything to do with it. However, it is much harder to track down the 100,000 people who all downloaded something and then prove that they never owned it beforehand, than to bust the comparatively few people distributing the item(s). This is why (as someone else mentioned) you mainly see the big companies going after servers who distribute their copyrighted material, people who share large amounts of their copyrighted material through programs such as Kazaa, etc.

Though I can't say it's "safe" to download anything you don't have legal rights to, the country you live in, their laws, and your level of discretion in what you do can minimize the chances of any legal action. I'd just be careful what you do, what you download, and where you download from as they are trying to make examples out of people who share files illegally.
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Old 2004-12-31, 18:50   Link #11
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Downloading legal, but uploading illegal makes perfect sense to me. It's pretty smart, it doesn't cause people to fuse so much and plus... eventually therre will be tons of downloaders... but no uploads, thus, nothing to download... so basically that rule eliminates everything. It totally ruins BT
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Old 2004-12-31, 18:57   Link #12
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Downloading legal, but uploading illegal makes perfect sense to me. It's pretty smart, it doesn't cause people to fuse so much and plus... eventually therre will be tons of downloaders... but no uploads, thus, nothing to download... so basically that rule eliminates everything. It totally ruins BT
Not really since not everyone is living in the US
The US don't make the laws for the others countries as far as I remember, and it's a good thing
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Old 2004-12-31, 19:02   Link #13
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Not really since not everyone is living in the US
The US don't make the laws for the others countries as far as I remember, and it's a good thing

Just wait until we're done, We'll be dictating law to 90% of the globe.

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Old 2004-12-31, 19:17   Link #14
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Not really since not everyone is living in the US
The US don't make the laws for the others countries as far as I remember, and it's a good thing

Yes, But they can Pressure, Whine, Bitch, Threaten, Sucker other Countries into doing what they want them to do. Which works all to well when your the only superpower and also has the most powerful economy in the world. I just love America.

The States does it to Canada all the time.
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Old 2004-12-31, 22:51   Link #15
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Downloading legal, but uploading illegal makes perfect sense to me. It's pretty smart, it doesn't cause people to fuse so much and plus... eventually therre will be tons of downloaders... but no uploads, thus, nothing to download... so basically that rule eliminates everything. It totally ruins BT
Downloading copyrighted material is deemed illegal too because downloading is "making a copy to your hard drive" so they deem that under "copying"....-_-;;
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Old 2005-01-01, 05:24   Link #16
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Yes, But they can Pressure, Whine, Bitch, Threaten, Sucker other Countries into doing what they want them to do. Which works all to well when your the only superpower and also has the most powerful economy in the world. I just love America.

The States does it to Canada all the time.
It works for the Canada maybe, but it won't work for any country.
You just have to see the quotes of PirateBays
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Old 2005-01-01, 07:41   Link #17
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It works for the Canada maybe, but it won't work for any country.
You just have to see the quotes of PirateBays
There is the bankruptcy filing in Houston (TX, USA) by an officer in Yukos to prevent Russia from auctioning off the main producing unit of Yukos. While it didn't stop Russia from doing an end run by selling off the property for basically peanuts (only 9 billion USD), it did stop the banks from extending a credit line to Gazprom to make its bid at the time while the case is being heard by the courts. One of the reasons the news gave for their doing so was, if I remember correctly, to avoid having their people held for contempt if they arrive in the U.S.

Jurisdiction is always a pain to have to deal with, and pissing off lawyers is never a good thing, especially in a style of government that allows laws to be changed.

An interesting reply from Pirate Bay, though; no case law, no citations, nothing pertinent to whether or not anyone had actually made sure that they were actually in the clear. Just a bunch of insults.

What's more interesting is that if anyone in the U.S. pirates Swedish works, the Swedes would be free to use the DMCA if they choose to do it. ROTFL. The U.S. should add a reciprocity clause to the DMCA to allow for the pirating of works from other countries that don't agree to abide by U.S. copyrights. I can't think of any Swedish works that would be affected, however, if this happens; maybe raise tariffs on Swedish products in its place would be workable - just pretend it's for something else like dumping.

Does the Swedish law mean that you are also allowed to put up works from artists inside the E.U., by the way, like music by Britsh artists or movies funded or co-funded by European studios and companies? That'll be a fun case to see who wins in Brussels if one happens.

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[The U.S.] also has the most powerful economy in the world.
Sure. It's a great situation for the U.S. to be in - consume a lot and have other countries freely lend it money to pay for everything, not to mention having, basically, the benchmark currency in the world right now. I wouldn't be surprised if other countries want to be in the U.S.'s shoes.

(Isn't the Canadian economy still heavily tied to that of the U.S.'s, by the way?)

Of course, by consuming what other countries are producing, the U.S. is helping to keep their people employed; money flows in both directions, and even a multinational can't keep all of its profits in one country. It's a nice situation for everyone so long as it doesn't get off-balanced in either direction, IMHO.

(I do wonder if the E.U. will actually meet its projected 2005 growth rate now, though.)
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Old 2005-01-01, 12:59   Link #18
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It works for the Canada maybe, but it won't work for any country.
You just have to see the quotes of PirateBays
It works some times. Probaly the US is going to sucker Canada into ICBM Missile defance.

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Yes they are.
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Old 2005-01-01, 17:31   Link #19
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They have been attacked by sega in the uk, and by some Swedish companies.
It went just as with the American ones.
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I wouldnt live in america even if they gave me a million bucks

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Don't live in US, problem solved
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