AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Discussion > Older Series

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2006-04-04, 10:23   Link #801
npal
I desire Tomorrow!
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Sixth Layer of Celestia
Age: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by rooboy666
Well, if that were the case, then every one of these series would devolve into pornography by the third or fourth episode. Really, does the world need more pr0n? It's exceptionally easy to find.

On a related note, is anyone else slightly disturbed by the fact that this series would have made it over to America in a heartbeat if it actually WAS pornographic? Isn't there something wrong with that?
Eh, well, you know, a KISS or statement of interest is enough We don't need to see interest THAT explicitly in those types of series

That's how hentai pass the borders so easily but all other series have to be examined. Obviously, pornographic material sells no matter its origin or type.
npal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-04, 10:26   Link #802
dan88
Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: UK
Age: 40
Send a message via MSN to dan88
Quote:
Originally Posted by rooboy666
Well, if that were the case, then every one of these series would devolve into pornography by the third or fourth episode.
It would probably be closer to real life!
dan88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-04, 10:50   Link #803
Furudanuki
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: State of denial
Age: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by npal
Edit: I'll ask the question again. Have we or have we NOT seen any character monologue (mental or actual) scene? If we haven't, we can't ask for it now, since apparently the philosophy of the series was being real (in the sense that no bubble appears over my head when I'm thinking about something). If we have though, they should have used one for Hiroki, too.
I can't cite an example of a character doing an internal or mental monologue off the top of my head, so I'll have to review some episodes. But I do remember that throughout the series characters are shown talking out loud to themselves - in fact, they do it quite a bit. Prime example would be Hiroki talking to himself in episode 10 after Elis runs off to their grandmother's house. And some of that might be internalized, since you can't always tell whether his mouth is moving or not. The series also frequently uses quick flashbacks to indicate what is going through a character's mind. So to my way of thinking it would not have gone against the established presentation format of the show to give the viewers some insight as to what was going on in Hiroki's head during the last episodes.

Edit: Just to clarify my opinion a bit, I agree with you completely that if there were not any examples of characters performing an internal or external monologue to express their thoughts or feelings prior to the last few episodes, it would have been a poor decision to suddenly start using that form of presentation that late in the series.
__________________
Now watching: Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka, Allison to Lillia, Clannad - After Story, Daughter of Twenty Faces, Hidamari Sketch x365, Kannagi, Kyouran Kazoku Nikki, Mahou Tsukai ni Taisetsu na Koto ~Natsu no Sora~, Telepathy Girl Ran, To Aru Majutsu no Index, Toradora, Zettai Karen Children
Recently completed: Ghost Hound, Aria: The Origination, Kanokon, Kure-nai, Itazura na Kiss, Special A, Birdy the Mighty Decode, Macross Frontier, Ryouko's Case File, ToLoveRU, Wagaya no Oinari-sama

Last edited by Furudanuki; 2006-04-04 at 16:49.
Furudanuki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-04, 15:47   Link #804
Vexx
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ...
Age: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by rooboy666
Well, if that were the case, then every one of these series would devolve into pornography by the third or fourth episode. Really, does the world need more pr0n? It's exceptionally easy to find.

On a related note, is anyone else slightly disturbed by the fact that this series would have made it over to America in a heartbeat if it actually WAS pornographic? Isn't there something wrong with that?
I don't know about "wrong" but its just inherent to the "puritan" culture of being all repressed about sex and then running to "back alleys" to be "bad little boys and girls". Frankly, I've always found explicit material boring without reasonably well-written context. As to whether it would have "made it over here" (by which I assume you mean licensed) - I'm actually not certain about that. Depends on when or what one starts classifying things as "porn". The recent series REC had a scene that some might call "explicit" though it was in the dark and heavily implied. The nudity in Shuffle! was mostly germane to the plot and the Kaede scene was so dark it was almost audio only Both of those are what I'd call "in context" versus lame.

Its very interesting to go to other high-tech countries, even Canada, and notice the "cloud of repression" being so much less in evidence. And yet, the people seem far more relaxed about things. Japan is more relaxed but has the strange case where what and how much is okay is extremely contextual.
Vexx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-04, 16:33   Link #805
rooboy
Umeboshi!
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Tejas
Age: 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vexx
I don't know about "wrong" but its just inherent to the "puritan" culture of being all repressed about sex and then running to "back alleys" to be "bad little boys and girls". Frankly, I've always found explicit material boring without reasonably well-written context. As to whether it would have "made it over here" (by which I assume you mean licensed) - I'm actually not certain about that. Depends on when or what one starts classifying things as "porn". The recent series REC had a scene that some might call "explicit" though it was in the dark and heavily implied. The nudity in Shuffle! was mostly germane to the plot and the Kaede scene was so dark it was almost audio only Both of those are what I'd call "in context" versus lame.
Sorry, I should clarify. I believe you misunderstood me.
I meant to say: If Canvas 2 were simply a pornographic series involving Hiroki sleeping with every girl under the sun with no story whatsoever, it would have a better chance of getting licensed in the US and released. I didn't really mean if you took the current series and added a sex scene or two to it for story reasons.

I definitely didn't mean to make a statement about the artistic value of a sex scene one way or the other (which is separate from pornography anyway and is more appropriately covered under the word erotica).
__________________
rooboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-04, 16:45   Link #806
Vexx
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ...
Age: 57
ahhhhh, you're talking about the vast horde of monkeys who missed the important "monolith" meeting and how their needs are easily met
Vexx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-04, 19:30   Link #807
Riker
Peek a boo
*Graphic Designer
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Finally saw the last 2 episodes.
I'm pretty glad that I avoided the spoilerious thread before I saw it.
Truely a "WTF?" moment.

Yea, I'm not satisfied with the ending, but rather than ranting long paragraphs about it (there's already countless pages of them), I'm just gonna make fun of the ending.
Spoiler for What if ?!?:


Ah well, at least there's the best part of episode 24.
Spoiler:

Oh ! and episode 23 too !
Spoiler:


I guess I'll still be storing this series on a DVD instead of deleting because of 3 reasons:

1. Hagino
2. Tomoko
3. Saya
__________________
Riker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-04, 23:11   Link #808
musicgal
Member
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Canvas 2 is pretty touching, esp the episode whereby hiroki actually lets that yanagi guy take his painting of the girl *duh, it's kiri!* =X which both of them loves back then sigh... tsk... typical of it to have two best friend liking the same girl.. hmm seems like there will be a major twist now as the animators going to make hiroki liking elis but it seems SO SO SO WRONGGG !! *sobz* i cannot imagine cousins of a wide age gap get together T_T i want kiri to be with hiroki.. they have such a wonderful childhood together... ah!!
musicgal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-04, 23:13   Link #809
musicgal
Member
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
[QUOTE=Riker]Finally saw the last 2 episodes.
I'm pretty glad that I avoided the spoilerious thread before I saw it.
Truely a "WTF?" moment.


haha i have not watch 23 and 24 yet. What?!! canvas finish already?!! so soon?! heyyyyyy thats sad... *sad*what happen in the end?? who did hiroki go for?
musicgal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-04, 23:23   Link #810
justinstrife
Queen Sheryl's Protector
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: John Galt Railroad
Age: 34
Send a message via AIM to justinstrife Send a message via Skype™ to justinstrife
[QUOTE=musicgal]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riker
Finally saw the last 2 episodes.
I'm pretty glad that I avoided the spoilerious thread before I saw it.
Truely a "WTF?" moment.


haha i have not watch 23 and 24 yet. What?!! canvas finish already?!! so soon?! heyyyyyy thats sad... *sad*what happen in the end?? who did hiroki go for?
Read the last 10 pages

Cliffnotes: Elise won by a landslide.
__________________
justinstrife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-05, 01:20   Link #811
musicgal
Member
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Exclamation

[QUOTE=justinstrife]
Quote:
Originally Posted by musicgal

Read the last 10 pages

Cliffnotes: Elise won by a landslide.



sorry justinstife i'm very laggy. where is the last ten pages again??

i'm new to this hehehe



MicH
musicgal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-05, 01:23   Link #812
Kanna
The Triad
*Fansubber
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: In front of my MHD player
Sigh, the traditional "cousin over normal relationship" ending. Well, I guess that's how you can make it as close to the game as possible. :P
Kanna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-05, 01:46   Link #813
musicgal
Member
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
wow

wow i'm really far behind. hmmm i agree with you all regarding elis's loyalty to her love for hiroki.. for example, whenever this young boy who keep confessing her love for elis, all she do is just be friends and not giving him false hope, unlike kiri who want best of both worlds,, i just didnt like the part that elis being a cousin of hiroki they end up being together, it's really *shrugs* so sorry to all fans out there, i do like canvas 2, i really do!! seems like elis got some sympthoy vote when she use red.. or when she was so unaware on what is going on that u know.. she got knocked down.. i do feel the animators were a lil unfair in the story.. it looks like they give the impression - okay folks i'm tired of dragging, just cut the chase and tell the whole world wht is the ending is about.. as you all notice... hiroki nv nv nv nv nv bother about elis feelings and nv nv nv show any responce when he founds out that elis likes him in the earlier episode, and just because she met in the accident and started to use red, his feelings change too quickly. it's so queer, yes yes it's animation.. but they make it such tat kiri has waited for hiroki for so long, hiroki having inferior complex feel he doesnt deserve her, it was never about elis feelings, he nv bothers and treats her normally.. not to mention he has feelings for kiri for so so so long too.. oh my goodness alot of question marks on my head now...so long story short..


haha ihave to see the ending for myself to make further conclusion... a lil disappointed that the animators rush the animation so quickly for an elishiroki ending.. and ARGH COUSINS Together?? honk honk!! wrong ANs!! :X make it more like...ichigo 100% - now thats an smth.. for manaka to take really long to realise who is the one he feels for or, like tou jou, she does a makeover for the guy she has a crush on..


okokok not being negative.. it's because i love the animation tts why i expect a better outcome or something, cheers!! still rox my world ^_^
musicgal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-05, 02:26   Link #814
Avijja
Sultan of Spin
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Left Coast, Soviet Federated Socialist Republic of America
Age: 38
Conspirarcy Theory No. 2: The two missing episodes

Here's a theory on why the show ended this way: Just about everyone here, including those happy with the pairing, was dismayed and baffled. Andiyar provided a solid defense for the scriptwriter's sanity based on a careful analysis of earlier episodes and suggested that some external event was at fault. Marclemagne reported hearing that the show was supposed to run for 26 episodes (see here), and the staff may have had to rush the ending. So what if the staff had finished episode 24, but were told at the last minute by an executive that they couldn't make the final episodes? But it was episodes 25-26 that showed how Elis and Hiroki's love grew. So a rushed staffer copied the bedroom sequence they'd made for a future episode and shipped it. In this case, if we're very lucky, we might see the two missing episodes on DVD as an OVA.

Quote:
Originally Posted by andiyar
But at the rate his character was progressing, I envisioned more of a 'no girl' ending.
That would have been fine. They could have given this an upbeat message of "let's not rush it, give time to let our friendship grow and maybe it'll turn into something else". Or a downbeat "you can only waffle for so long before others are hurt and lose out." Or even a meh "Hiroki just isn't ready for this scary grown-up stuff" angle.

Quote:
Originally Posted by marclemagne
I am very disappointed with the subject matter of the paintings, though. I think Hiroki's painting should have been that picture that was floating around of Elis in the red dress. And Elis's painting should have been of the sunset, something she spoke about painting numerous times.
Amen. Those would have been great changes. I was also totally underwhelmed by the paintings they chose to make, especially given the lovely artwork the animators had produced elsewhere in the series.

Quote:
Originally Posted by marclemagne
And why was there absolutely no resolution for Kiri? Saying she will just be childhood friends again is not resolution, does not represent any type of growth for her
Remember how Kiri told Hiroki on the phone that they were nothing more than "childhood friends" and he didn't argue? She finally got him to admit his feelings for her. This sucks, but that's closure and she can move on with her life.

@Riker: Photoshop is great for merging screencaps. I've found that running the Erase tool over the edges of the frames helps them blend together, or use a Mask. The Stamp tool lets you copy stuff from one part of the image (e.g. the pavement) and paint it into the blank spots the screencaps didn't cover. That said, poor Hagino.

Last edited by Avijja; 2006-04-05 at 02:41.
Avijja is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-05, 02:44   Link #815
musicgal
Member
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
iccc

Avijja



ooooo so that explains it.. will the OVA be available in torrent? ^_^
musicgal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-05, 03:07   Link #816
sinneD_
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Ok, after the extremely dissapointing ending i searched google for a canvas 2 discussion forum and came to animesuki (i use the main site anywayz).

wihtout reading much of previous poster and elis fans etc im jsut gonna post my thoughts here >.< anyways the ending is so lame!!!

to be honest, i have seen many anime and im old and mature enough to understand each anime in depth, so anyways, to be honest canvas 2 isnt a particular good series in my opinion, it has the usual 5 girls 1 guy dilema etc, the ONLY reason i decided to watch it to the end was simply because of Kiri. Im not gonna get into all the technical stuff coz i really didnt bother noticing them for this series as all i watched it for is the comedy, shyness, romance between hiroki and Kiri. i always considered Elis to be a burden for the development of the relationship between Hiroki and Kiri. i know its anime and its common but yeah, under age? incest?(got no idea how even thru mixing that she could be a blue eye blond girl LOL), and Elis just does not do it for me, and i dont understand y she would for any one else, all she does is nag all day and complain about lame crap.

This type of anime is like the main character spending most time with 1 of the girls per episode sorta thing so i was always anticipating the ones with Kiri. i think their childhood bond was the standing out part of the whole story, particularly when they reinacted the confession scene on top of the school!. after like episode 20 or so when them 2 shared a futon at the inn and the call from Kiri's friend (lol, yes im hopeless i only remmeber kiri and hiroki's names) i was almost certain the anime will have a great ending when kri hiroki tie the knot.

BAM, WTF, matching painting was a good enough reason for two related fools who already share a house together and their life was so routined and boring already(woulda turned out great like how hiroki was imagining his life with Kiri as gf/wife), decided to.... do it ... i couldnt believe the twist.... its almost like the scriptwriter pulls an aprils fool or some crap. yeah... so.... kiri... a wasted character, even though there was more of her in the anime than elis...

yeah and elis... i think she just admire hiroki as a superior in painting and as a elder brother symbol... i dont think her love developed on the right track such as Kiri's affection for hiroki did... i could go on but ill end it here.
sinneD_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-05, 03:47   Link #817
Vexx
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ...
Age: 57
really.. I'm not doing it again.... read the preceding pages for discussions of "cousin marriage" (not incest in most of the US and world) ... "underage" also depends on where you're at (as young as 14 in Japan if no one complains, varies state by state in US ranging from 14 (wt parental consent) on up. He didn't raise her.. they just shared an apartment for a year and he visited her when she was young in the hospital.

That said... I think most of the posters, including people who were pro-ElisexHiroki were taken aback by the LACK of proper story handling for the last episode. eps 22 and 23 *did* do some prep ... it seemed to be mostly Kiri reading between the lines. But we never got an iota of Hiroki being hot for Elise -- so the end credit bed scene was "WTF" for almost everyone.

The idea that there were supposed to be TWO more episodes would go a LONG way to repairing this story (watch for the DVDs or OVAs we hope) --- it would be typical of a anime executive to wreck a pretty good story to save a few dollars.
I'm fond of that theory, especially since the rest of the series was pretty consistent.
Vexx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-05, 04:11   Link #818
Jonathan-san
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Ok, i watched the last two episodes of Canvas2 and i was not pleased with the ending at all. i know that Hiroki and Elis aren't reallt brother and sister, but still come on (/me shivers). I really hoped that Hiroki would end up with Kiri in the end because in my eyes, i think their a better match. I know that Hiroki has feelings for Kiri because why would he make that painting of Kiri and go crazy when he finds out Shintaro copies his painting and also tries to get Kiri. Well i guess i can go on and on why i hate how it ended, but i guess i'll leave it at that. One thing bothered me about the ending though... When Shintaro is on the airplane and the flight attendent brings her, her water, Shintaro mumbles in her sleep saying goodbye and then moves her hand and shows two pills. Is Shintaro killing her self by not taking those two pills?

Here's a screenshot of what i'm talkin about:

Last edited by Jonathan-san; 2006-04-05 at 04:21.
Jonathan-san is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-05, 04:18   Link #819
dan88
Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: UK
Age: 40
Send a message via MSN to dan88
You guys/girls have been watching too much anime and seem to have missed all the body language and verbal clues that Hiroki was only half heartedly interesting in Kiri. Kiri certainly seems to have picked up them up and did a lot of frowning about it.

Legal age in the UK is 16 so Elisu and Hiroki would be fine here and I believe it is the same in France as well.

I presume the "two OVAs that were inspired by the first part of the game" is a reference to Canvas 1, the orginal series.
Is there any actual evidence for Canvas 2 having 26 episodes beyond the fact that there is often 13/26 episodes in a normal anime series.
I can't help thinking this is just wishful thinking but we can hope.
dan88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-04-05, 04:28   Link #820
Vexx
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ...
Age: 57
Problem is Hiroki was "half interested" in Kiri and "had zero interest" in Elise ... physically speaking, based on body language, verbal clues, etc. There's just missing connectivity between that last airport scene and the end credits --- that an extra episode or two might have provided (or some minor changes to Hiroki expressions for the DVD).

@J-san: Good catch on those pills (I was just noticing the shared glove that Elise and Tomoko had split) ... if I read that right... she passes out in the plane before she can take the pills (stewardess was tardy with the water)... fortunatelly, we can assume from her eyes opening that she survives the surgery???
And our favorite-to-hate Yanagi apparently accepts a part time position at the school to replace Hiroki and snare the sad little Kiri ... o the humanity. Maybe Hagino stalks him and blackmails him into oblivion
Vexx is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
bishoujo, drama, eroge, f&c, kadokawa, romance, school life, seinen, slice of life, zexcs

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:45.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.