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Old 2006-04-19, 23:56   Link #961
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Haha, maratron'd 14 to 24. A few comments.

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2. Did anyone else laugh more than someone probably should in the last episode? Like seeing the way Hiroki was holding the painting, Hiroki running out of breath after a few seconds, Misaki singing all of sudden, Hiroki and Elis draped in drapes at the end, and the overdramatic thing with Tomoko, etc?

3. Anyway, seriously,

I haven't played the game so I don't know how her path should actually be, and it probably should be different since its mixed with Kiri's, but the ending wasn't that farfetched or bad, and I'm not only saying that because I support Elis since beginning.
First, I will ignore the 'age' and 'family' taboos since honestly, there are much crazier and 'wrongier' stuff out there in the real world.
Second, the main problem is there are ZERO monologue or narration by Hiroki, so viewers have no clue how the guy is feeling.

From experience, I will interpret the following events of as... how I interpreted it.
He was going to be a teacher because he couldn't draw anymore. This was unrelated to how he was feeling toward Kiri or Elis. However, obviously this changes at the end because he could draw again.
Unless I blinked and missed the confirmation to Kiri's confession, I'm going to assume that he accepted it from all the signs.
During the event at the hospital when Elis holded his hand, he was probably thinking, 'Wah, Why is my chest pounding so hard?'... or something along that line and then left the answer hanging.
When Hiroki heard Elis's last phone call, he was probably thinking he might have felt more than a brother-sister relationship.
Kiri giving Hiroki permission to paint is probably equalivent of saying Go with Elis because she realizes his true feelings to her already.
However, I have no clue how her painting confirmed his true feelings since there was zero monologues or narration or words or anything. So I assumed he thought one of the following:
Too corny to type out.

Anyway, in perspective, the ending wasn't that rushed. You can assume the whole time Hiroki had loved Elis but only then realized his true feelings for her, the end. Yes, it's that short, yes, this stuff is that simple. They could've easily done this in 12/13 episodes but they had the budget and probably wanted to milk it more with 2 seasons (or kuuru if you want to get stupidily technical).

So, 8/10, maybe? Sakura vs Nemu was more interesting. Magical sakura > Painting
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Old 2006-04-20, 04:38   Link #962
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Haha, maratron'd 14 to 24. A few comments.
haha...same here.
It was somehow wierd not to see hirokis response to kiris second confession. I was routing for Elis as well throughout the whole story. But somehow i allready was sure that Kiri would get the shot. I know a lot Harems let the protagonist date someone else just to make him realize his true feeling later on. But this one is really unique to make him realize it that late. Im glad with the ending. But now that he isnt going to be a teachers anymore, there is still the the point hiroki had in the beginning: How is he gonna do a living now? Is he going to be paid as the artclub supervisor, or does he intend to become a printer?

Well anyway. did anyone else hate kiri as much as i did; allways biching her wa between hiroki and elis. She allways knew Elis feelings, yet she was allways acting selfish and was picking on Elis. Kiri as the current girlfriend and Elis desperate struggle could be a early sign that Elis would have the last laugh. Yet I didnt predict Elis ending up with Hiroki untill the last episode. It was never hard for me to predict the pairings in harems, but this serie really surprised me. *thumbs up*
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Old 2006-04-20, 07:06   Link #963
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Yay! The Elisu fans are finally battling through the second half of the series and arriving to counter the Kiri die hards!
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Old 2006-04-20, 09:49   Link #964
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What od you mean? I am a dedicated Elis fan, but I still fail to see the justification I had an experience similar to Mephisto, I was complaining about how my favorite always loses since it was obvious to me that the series was going for a Kiri ending. And then, suddenly, WHAT?
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Old 2006-04-20, 10:05   Link #965
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Same here, I really had no opinion on which girl should "win" .... I felt I got shortchanged on the very end of an otherwise decently written story - as in "all that story development? pshaw..... we're throwing it out for a shocking ending with no connection to the first 24 episodes. Even when Elis hugged Hiroki at the airport, you got *zero* implication he had any physical attraction to her. Like Npal (who's a dedicated Elise fan said), the "in the sheets" scene in the end credit was a total "wtf?" Watching 22-24, I can see how Kiri figured out on her own that she just wasn't going to make a connection with Hiroki, especially after he told her he was painting again (her life with him was connected to his teaching career) but they needed at least one more episode (or preferably a string of small incidents throughout the series) to give you a sense that he found Elise desirable but was suppressing those feelings.

Mostly a good series... I just need to make sure I hit the STOP button just before "the sheets scene" in the ED.
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Old 2006-04-20, 13:01   Link #966
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Some posts on 2channel say that Hirano Aya, Misaki's VA, actually sang the classical pieces that Misaki sang in the anime. Like, wow. No wonder her voice is so strong as Suzumiya Haruhi.

Here's a link to my post about her over in a Suzumiya Haruhi thread (which I expect many of you frequent, anyway). Pic included.
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Old 2006-04-20, 18:42   Link #967
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Spoiler for The Usual Suspects movie:


So I'm tempted on how to accept this ending. Include all the bits of the end credits into what I feel of the show? Ignore the scenes I don't like? Well, I most certainly can't just ignore them. They're officially part of the story now. But yet I can't accept the ending as is.

Paradox.
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Old 2006-04-20, 20:55   Link #968
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So I'm tempted on how to accept this ending. Include all the bits of the end credits into what I feel of the show? Ignore the scenes I don't like? Well, I most certainly can't just ignore them. They're officially part of the story now. But yet I can't accept the ending as is.

Paradox.
I spent days trying to make it work in my head, it's not worth the effort. Enjoy it for it's surprise factor and move on.
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Old 2006-04-21, 08:09   Link #969
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Watched Ep1 DVD version, looks very good. So i am going to rerun.
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Old 2006-04-26, 07:20   Link #970
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shuffle! anyone? the similarities are outstanding. =)
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Old 2006-04-26, 08:54   Link #971
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They are??? You mean there was a total backstabbing b*tch in Canvas 2, too? Where???
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Old 2006-04-26, 08:59   Link #972
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Actually, I thought both Elis and Kiri fit that role pretty well.
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Old 2006-04-26, 09:12   Link #973
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Well, I'm an Elis fan, so naturally I can't see how Elis can fit that role, but I don't think Kiri fits that role either.
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Old 2006-04-26, 11:14   Link #974
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shuffle! anyone? the similarities are outstanding. =)
No... I don't see it... outside of it being an anime and a romance, using ero-games for source material.
Shuffle is a harem anime: many girls seeking to the "the mate" for a guy plus polygamy is a real possibility. Rin is attracted to all of them. Shuffle is also science fiction. Its also a lot funnier in the first half and then goes grim for the last half.
Canvas 2 is a triangle romance: there are other girls but they're just friends who also attend school there - the story focuses on Elise (a blood cousin) and Kiri (a childhood friend) and there's no romance with any other character. The story is set in our mundane world. It is more slice-of-life, mixing humor and pathos throughout the show. edit: I oversimplified a bit --- forgot about Elise's ceramics friend chasing her and if we try really hard I suppose we could take Hagino more seriously... not. And, of course, Yagino... lots and lots of triangles.

Editorially comparing, Canvas 2 waits until the end credits of the last episode are rolling to pull their "we're going to have an eyecatch that was completely unsupported by the storyline and character definition and make you wonder if we have any idea how to write a finale" whereas the Shuffle writers started destroying carefully developed characterizations around ep20 to incompetently force a result that could have been scripted better by monkeys.
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Old 2006-04-26, 11:23   Link #975
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Canvas 2 is a triangle romance: there are other girls but they're just friends who also attend school there - the story focuses on Elise (a blood cousin) and Kiri (a childhood friend) and there's no romance with any other character.
Actually, nevermind. I see no point in discussing this show anymore. This post can be deleted.

EDIT: Ack! I figured I could just use the report bad post to have a mod delete my post, but I just realized I can't do that for my own posts.
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Old 2006-05-15, 00:20   Link #976
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wow just finished wathcing this..yup suprizing ending. i liked it tho. elis owns haha
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Old 2006-05-15, 00:38   Link #977
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I made the comment whilst watching episdoe 1 - 8

I stand by what I said though.

But yes, the ending shocked me.. poor kiri.
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Old 2006-05-15, 02:21   Link #978
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Old 2006-05-15, 04:04   Link #979
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im sort of scared to ask because.. im sure its been asked many times before ><
but im so sleepy... cant rewatch it for now so...

is Elise and the main char real blood related brother / sister?

please dont flame me D:
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Old 2006-05-15, 04:07   Link #980
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They are not brother/sister. They are blood related though, cousins of some degree, maybe first, I can't remember.
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