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Old 2006-12-18, 07:36   Link #681
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Now I'd like to see AVI handle b-frames, when using h.264.
Absolutely no problem. Works just like with xvid or divx. You get an extra 1 frame lag or so when you use b-frame pyramid though. (yeah, I know, hack and all that, but shounen asked for it)

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And as far as I know, mp4 has only been used for the last 2 years~ or so, but got quickly dropped cuz of MKV.
You're wrong. MP4 is used by many groups, as it offers everything needed for a fansub (vfr, native avc support, complicated unstyled softsub support). See Froth-Bite, Arienai etc.

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Old 2006-12-18, 07:44   Link #682
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You're wrong. MP4 is used by many groups, as it offers everything needed for a fansub
Pah blatant lie. What fansubs today have unstyled subs, 1 out of 1000? That is what it majorly lacks currently.
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Old 2006-12-18, 09:02   Link #683
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complicated unstyled softsub support).
After taking the time to try and figure out the ttxt format I can definitely agree with it being totally complicated. But you're wrong about it not being styled. You can set fonts/colors/alpha values/size/bold/italic for a style in ttxt.

The only unstylable input MP4 accepts is .srt and possibly vobsubs.
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Old 2006-12-18, 10:43   Link #684
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In the past? with MP4? Heck even OGM's been used more than MP4, by for example R1/R2 rippers.
I've only been in the fansubbing scene for a little more than a year (even then not really having had any encoding experience until the past 1/2 year or so), and did state 'all groups that I worked with' (which seems to be a key part of the line that you omitted in your reply). None of them were DVD rippers either at the time. Whether any have changed that, I am unaware.

As for the other points, looks like I don't need to say anything since they've all been covered already.
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Old 2006-12-18, 18:11   Link #685
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After taking the time to try and figure out the ttxt format I can definitely agree with it being totally complicated. But you're wrong about it not being styled. You can set fonts/colors/alpha values/size/bold/italic for a style in ttxt.

The only unstylable input MP4 accepts is .srt and possibly vobsubs.
Hmm yes I forgot you can set fonts, so styles yes. But you can't do any transition like effects or any simple motion at all, can you? XML is fun, we should all go learn how to use it more n_n.

Actually MP4 does not use SRT, mp4box however will convert SRT->TTXT when you add it as input.
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Old 2006-12-18, 20:18   Link #686
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But you can't do any transition like effects or any simple motion at all, can you?
From what I remember, no you can't. But you can do little workarounds instead. Such as a fade being possible by just redoing the line per frame and changing the alpha value a bit per line to imitate the fade. Positioning can also be messed with to imitate a move function in the same way as the fade is done.

Also there is a karaoke design for ttxt. Never tested it out though.

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The Karaoke element indicates dynamic highlighting, or karaoke, 
applies to this sample. At most one Karaoke element shall be set per TextSample. 
The Karaoke is defined as a sequence of highlighting times, 
all sepcified as children element of the 
Karaoke through the KaraokeRange element.
According to this excerpt from the gpac ttxt documentation it seems a /kf like ability can be done in ttxt.

http://gpac.sourceforge.net/doc_ttxt.php <--- ttxt documentation for those interested.

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XML is fun, we should all go learn how to use it more n_n.
hehe... actually I was always thinking about doing an mp4 with entire ttxt softsubs (With fake moves and fades for where needed, possibly even a softsubbed karaoke).

Should be fun to pull off, just requires lots of notepad work and figuring out the weird XML-like formating.

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Actually MP4 does not use SRT, mp4box however will convert SRT->TTXT when you add it as input.
Shows how much I use MP4... ;/

EDIT: After rereading through the documentation there seems to be a move-like function. According to this part:

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scrollMode : specifies text scrolling mode. 
Possible values are "Credits" (scroll from bottom to top), 
"Marquee" (scroll from right to left), "Down" (scroll from top to bottom) 
and "Right" (scroll from left to right). Default value is "Credits".
You can do basic moving I guess with this. The times and speed I'm not sure how to set and would have to test it out to find out... I would assume the time is set by the time of the line it's used on. Speed of movement, I'm assuming is some unchangeable function.
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Old 2006-12-19, 13:40   Link #687
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Protip (If you are so hell bent on MP4 with softsubs):
1) Make subs in SRT format
2) Convert to TTXT in MP4box and style if required
3) ???
4) Profit
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Old 2006-12-19, 15:36   Link #688
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Better tip:

MKV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP4 >>>> AVI
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Old 2006-12-21, 19:46   Link #689
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well<<very stupid question

can anyone tell me why mkv is better than mp4?or mp4 than mkv?
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Old 2006-12-21, 20:02   Link #690
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MKV supports pretty much any type of file, has less overhead, is extensible with backwards compatibility... MP4 is just a typical industry standard that is lacking in features and offers nothing but the possibility of compatibility with various standalone/portable players that I would say most fansubbers don't care about. (Though AVI still walks all over MP4 for standalone compatibility)
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Old 2006-12-21, 20:19   Link #691
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so< how can i encode h.264\mkv???

and is this the best quilty
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Old 2006-12-24, 19:52   Link #692
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so< how can i encode h.264\mkv???

and is this the best quilty
>_>

You can use any container you want, it won't, I repeat, it will not change the quality of your encode.

However, the codec h264 may produce high quality videos at a smaller size than other codecs (say Xvid or DivX), but if you don't know shit about encoding... it doesn't matter, your encodes are going to suck.

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Old 2006-12-24, 21:29   Link #693
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>_>

You can use any container you want, it won't, I repeat, it will not change the quality of your encode.
O rly? <_<
If you are going to do something stupid like misleadingly imply that every container in existence supports h264, at least bump up your GUTB level at bit. You'll gain morerer legendness that way and we can have more fun.

Next you are going to claim frame rate has nothing to do with quality or encoding process either?
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Old 2006-12-25, 06:35   Link #694
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O rly? <_<
If you are going to do something stupid like misleadingly imply that every container in existence supports h264, at least bump up your GUTB level at bit. You'll gain morerer legendness that way and we can have more fun.
Actually, you CAN encode H.264 for AVI. I myself have done it. However, I'm not by any means suggesting it be done in a production mode (even though it already has been, with mixed results on my side).

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Old 2006-12-25, 07:10   Link #695
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^sure, next let's try putting h264 into rvmb. Because we can use ANYTHING we want right? Yes, let's pioneer and be the first to put h264 into apples, oranges and horses after rvmb.
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Old 2006-12-25, 09:01   Link #696
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Old 2006-12-25, 20:23   Link #697
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I see what you did there, very good
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Old 2006-12-26, 16:37   Link #698
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Actually, rvmb can hold h.264, iirc. Just not all profiles.
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Old 2006-12-26, 16:53   Link #699
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I think you mean AAC. Since there is no H.264/AVC RealMedia whatsoever.
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Old 2007-01-23, 03:52   Link #700
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Absolutely no problem. Works just like with xvid or divx. You get an extra 1 frame lag or so when you use b-frame pyramid though. (yeah, I know, hack and all that, but shounen asked for it)
Hacks are possible yes... But then we could just skip that XviD in AVI being an hack, or H264.
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You're wrong. MP4 is used by many groups, as it offers everything needed for a fansub (vfr, native avc support, complicated unstyled softsub support). See Froth-Bite, Arienai etc.
Uhh and as for complicated softsubs support, unless you cant handle this or you like pixel artifacts, or unless your really dumb and encode every ep from yv12 source then you better stop watching videos...

Softsubs are good for leechers, they just need to use 1 more step to be able to use it.


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None of them were DVD rippers either at the time. Whether any have changed that, I am unaware.

As for the other points, looks like I don't need to say anything since they've all been covered already.
I said "for example".
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