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Old 2011-07-05, 22:33   Link #5181
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Except that his death costs the *community* a fair sum of money. That's the problem here... no one is really an island. Their actions or inactions impact the people around them. There's always been a balance between individual freedom and the well-being of the community.

My mother and her community a few years ago had to fight a local idiot that wanted to make his property a toxic waste dump. Quite likely would have poisoned the water supply.
True, it isn't like he would simply stop to exist, still the outcome would had been worse is someone else had been killed by his action insted of him alone.
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Old 2011-07-06, 15:08   Link #5182
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Except that his death costs the *community* a fair sum of money.
How so? You've got to die sometime, and as far deaths go, bike accident's pretty cheap. Cheaper than a disease lingering for years.
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Old 2011-07-06, 18:06   Link #5183
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How so? You've got to die sometime, and as far deaths go, bike accident's pretty cheap. Cheaper than a disease lingering for years.
You are not taking into account all what it costs in an advanced society to "produce" an adult citizen.
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Old 2011-07-06, 18:12   Link #5184
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How so? You've got to die sometime, and as far deaths go, bike accident's pretty cheap. Cheaper than a disease lingering for years.
Cost of first response, cost of uninsured ER, cost of fire/police, cost to other people if accident involved others. Insurance rates affected by accident rates. Emotional trauma - family, friends, witnesses.
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Old 2011-07-06, 18:41   Link #5185
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Cost of first response, cost of uninsured ER, cost of fire/police, cost to other people if accident involved others. Insurance rates affected by accident rates. Emotional trauma - family, friends, witnesses.
Also add any damage to public property such as guardrails.
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Old 2011-07-06, 22:51   Link #5186
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Cost of new laws enacted to prevent stupidity.
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Old 2011-07-07, 01:28   Link #5187
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You are not taking into account all what it costs in an advanced society to "produce" an adult citizen.
I am. But as I said, you've got to die sometime, it's just a matter of when. And at 55 is way better than just out of college. Just into retirement would be best, but 55 isn't bad. Think of all the conditions age brings on he'll never have to deal with.
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Cost of first response, cost of uninsured ER, cost of fire/police, cost to other people if accident involved others. Insurance rates affected by accident rates. Emotional trauma - family, friends, witnesses.
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Also add any damage to public property such as guardrails.
Those are fair enough, but subtract all the money he'd have cost by aging. I was going to say that maybe it's different for you since your retirement funds and healthcare insurance have less government in them, but if you want to count insurance rate it's irrelevant. And again, there's the cost of his evenrual death.

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Cost of new laws enacted to prevent stupidity.
What new laws? The helmet law obviously didn't save him, so what are they going to do? And how responsible for the stupidity of others should we hold him?
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Old 2011-07-07, 02:29   Link #5188
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My band director used to say "Every rule exists because at some point, someone did something idiotic and screwed it up for the rest of us".
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Old 2011-07-07, 05:32   Link #5189
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Woman charged with putting antifreeze in smoothie
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...07-06-19-33-50
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Old 2011-07-07, 15:49   Link #5190
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Nearly 4000 families disintegrate per day in China!!!

(yeah, the article is about divorce but the headline reads like we've got little Martin Martians running around with their A-1 Disintegration Beam guns)

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/9...2/7432897.html
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Old 2011-07-07, 15:59   Link #5191
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Nearly 4000 families disintegrate per day in China!!!

(yeah, the article is about divorce but the headline reads like we've got little Martin Martians running around with their A-1 Disintegration Beam guns)

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/9...2/7432897.html
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Old 2011-07-07, 16:01   Link #5192
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Nearly 4000 families disintegrate per day in China!!!

(yeah, the article is about divorce but the headline reads like we've got little Martin Martians running around with their A-1 Disintegration Beam guns)

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/9...2/7432897.html
It would be interesting to see those number compared to thoses of others country
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Old 2011-07-07, 18:41   Link #5193
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The improper reading would make it sound like serious population control gone wrong.
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Old 2011-07-08, 05:32   Link #5194
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Old 2011-07-08, 14:24   Link #5195
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Firing worker who took hot dogs unjustified
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a manager ordered the leftovers stored in a break room freezer until Labor Day.
what does the manager want to do with the hotdogs? Grow mushroom. form 7/4 to labor day?
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Old 2011-07-08, 19:30   Link #5196
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Hot dogs with extra special flavoring, of course.
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Old 2011-07-08, 19:39   Link #5197
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Oh dear

Woman died from allergic reaction to sex with dog

I wonder why they took so long to reach a conviction?
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Old 2011-07-08, 22:39   Link #5198
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Ohio shop's gorilla mascot attacked by banana
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STRONGSVILLE, Ohio (AP) -- The manager of a cell phone store in Ohio called 911 to report a gorilla had been attacked by a banana.
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Old 2011-07-08, 23:10   Link #5199
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Oh dear

Woman died from allergic reaction to sex with dog

I wonder why they took so long to reach a conviction?
That is so screwed up. At some point you come to realize that truth is stranger than fiction.
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Old 2011-07-11, 21:41   Link #5200
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43716735..._ca/?GT1=43001

Again with the splitting up of California into smaller states. This time it is the South Eastern rural parts that want to break away. Last time it was the northern rural parts that wanted to get away from the cities. First time it was the Mexican Southern Californians that wanted to distance themselves from the Northern Anglo population.

I did my History Thesis paper on state secession movements, mainly focusing on California (specifically the State of Jefferson, and the last time they wanted to break up the state in the early 1990s that ended up lost in committee after going to a three way split the media termed (Northern California = Logland, Central California = Fogland, Southern California = Smogland))
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