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Old 2011-09-26, 12:48   Link #5701
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When I was younger, I was okay with the Confederate flag in the historical aspect - it marked an important part of history in the way of state's rights (much like many other flags in history). Problem is I feel like it's original meaning has been co-opted entire by white supremacists and other racists (somewhat like the religious symbol the swastika (Buddhist, American Indian, etc) was hijacked by the Nazis).

She can fly her flag but I'm going to have to call her insensitive and possibly quite stupid. And I just noticed Ithekro just explained it quite eloquently so yeah, read his post above.

(this reminds me of people who get thumped for wearing a Nazi or KKK outfit for Halloween... aren't you SUPPOSED to wear something scary for Halloween? )
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Old 2011-09-26, 14:02   Link #5702
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Makes me wonder what modern or recent symbolism will be like these two in the future. Whle Islamic symbolism has been around for ages, it means different things to different people. It also gets new symbols over time. The Green flag of Libya for instance over the tri-color of the Arab Republic (I think that is what is was...the black, white, and red).

Also I wonder about the future symbolism of Soviet designs. I don't know if they have any bans on it anywhere on the planet, but it too means many things to many people. And unlike the Confederates or Nazis...Soviet Russia was around for a long time. 70 or more years. That is two full generations, Maybe even three and almost four depending on how you define a generation. The other two were short relative to that. Four years for the Confederate State of America and about 12 years for Nazi Germany. Far less than even one generation. But they both made their marks on history.
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Old 2011-09-26, 14:24   Link #5703
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Coffee powered car set new speed record for gasification-powered vehicle, source extremetech.com, more info on bbc.co.uk.
I'm not sure if they have actually broken the record. But nevertheless quite interesting, some times we have to look at old ideas and combine it with current tech to find new solutions.
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Old 2011-09-26, 14:46   Link #5704
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Nano car bursts into flames in India

"India's Tata Motors launched an inquiry on Monday after another of its Nano
hatchbacks -- billed as the world's cheapest car -- caught fire in unexplained
circumstances."

"Last year, the firm was forced to offer free safety upgrades after several Nanos
caught fire in various incidents, but it has always maintained that the car has no
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Old 2011-09-26, 17:51   Link #5705
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Makes me wonder what modern or recent symbolism will be like these two in the future. Whle Islamic symbolism has been around for ages, it means different things to different people. It also gets new symbols over time. The Green flag of Libya for instance over the tri-color of the Arab Republic (I think that is what is was...the black, white, and red).

Also I wonder about the future symbolism of Soviet designs. I don't know if they have any bans on it anywhere on the planet, but it too means many things to many people. And unlike the Confederates or Nazis...Soviet Russia was around for a long time. 70 or more years. That is two full generations, Maybe even three and almost four depending on how you define a generation. The other two were short relative to that. Four years for the Confederate State of America and about 12 years for Nazi Germany. Far less than even one generation. But they both made their marks on history.
That's an interesting remark on the Soviet symbols... I can't recall *anyone* being "offended" by its use for various activities. OTOH.. . I know *every damned time* I show someone a map of Japan I have to explain all those little swastikas on the map (denoting religious spots)... damned symbol-stealing nazis.
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Old 2011-09-26, 19:19   Link #5706
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I know *every damned time* I show someone a map of Japan I have to explain all those little swastikas on the map (denoting religious spots)... damned symbol-stealing nazis.
The swastika connection is pretty well ingrained. When I was looking at a travel book for South Korea and I saw the symbols I did a double-take at first, then realised it must have meant something else, followed by my searching the book for the map key (which was on the last page). I had to explain the religious site connection to my friend the next day when I showed him the map.

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Old 2011-09-26, 19:22   Link #5707
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Yes! The world has become a nicer place! Now let's keep it this way, okay?

Or I'll make you do so....
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Old 2011-09-26, 22:22   Link #5708
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Old 2011-09-26, 23:15   Link #5709
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Probably not such bad idea.
Is the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster a Option?
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Old 2011-09-26, 23:35   Link #5710
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Is the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster a Option?
That a interesting question.
Another one; What happen if the sentenced is a muslim ?
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Old 2011-09-27, 00:07   Link #5711
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That a interesting question.
Another one; What happen if the sentenced is a muslim ?
In that part of the country, there's only one meaning to "church" and it ain't 'buddhist', 'muslim', or likely even 'catholic'. Yeah, this will get shot down by the upper courts.. but in the duration it'll waste a lot of money.
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Old 2011-09-27, 02:12   Link #5712
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Remains of witchhunt discovered in Tuscany Italy. I can't help but be fascinated by this. Feel like going there.
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Old 2011-09-27, 06:05   Link #5713
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That's an interesting remark on the Soviet symbols... I can't recall *anyone* being "offended" by its use for various activities. OTOH.. . I know *every damned time* I show someone a map of Japan I have to explain all those little swastikas on the map (denoting religious spots)... damned symbol-stealing nazis.
Possibly the countries that were conquered by the Soviet Union during Stalin's regime. I remember watching a documentary how the Soviets and Nazis were working together in eliminating their enemies and "undesirables" before Germany betrayed and invaded Russia.

The survivors of those Soviet purges have bitter memories about it not only because of what they suffered but the fact the Soviets got away scott free on what they done after WW2.
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Old 2011-09-27, 06:24   Link #5714
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It's interesting really, from my perspective, that out of the 3 Axis powers, only the Nazis seem to have any "lasting" effect, in the sense that it is still a very sensitive issue to a large portion of people, including the present-day Germans themselves.

No one really seems to give a damn about the Axis Italians anymore. It's always Nazis this, Nazis that, and a sprinkle of Axis Japanese. Japan's involvement in WW2 is still a sensitive issue in East Asia, but it is largely overshadowed by their modern contributions to society at large. Say the word Japan, and people are more likely to think of anime, eccentricism, and robots. Say the word German however, and quite a fair bit of people will still conjure imagery of Nazis, other than German Engineering , Beer and Sausages.

As for Soviet Russia... in my opinion, it's becoming a comedic meme. Yes, yes... I know a lot of terrible things happened during those times, but to the modern person, say Russia and he/she will probably think of Vodka, the Space Race, and bad generic villains in video games.

I'm only being half-serious here, but I think people need to stop glorifying the evil of the Nazis (to the point where I don't even blink anymore if I see a literal baby-eating Nazi Zombie in a story), or the poor present-day Germans will never get to remove the stigma.

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Old 2011-09-27, 07:08   Link #5715
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It's interesting really, from my perspective, that out of the 3 Axis powers, only the Nazis seem to have any "lasting" effect, in the sense that it is still a very sensitive issue to a large portion of people, including the present-day Germans themselves.

No one really seems to give a damn about the Axis Italians anymore. It's always Nazis this, Nazis that, and a sprinkle of Axis Japanese. Japan's involvement in WW2 is still a sensitive issue in East Asia, but it is largely overshadowed by their modern contributions to society at large. Say the word Japan, and people are more likely to think of anime, eccentricism, and robots. Say the word German however, and quite a fair bit of people will still conjure imagery of Nazis, other than German Engineering , Beer and Sausages.

As for Soviet Russia... in my opinion, it's becoming a comedic meme. Yes, yes... I know a lot of terrible things happened during those times, but to the modern person, say Russia and he/she will probably think of Vodka, the Space Race, and bad generic villains in video games.

I'm only being half-serious here, but I think people need to stop glorifying the evil of the Nazis (to the point where I don't even blink anymore if I see a literal baby-eating Nazi Zombie in a story), or the poor present-day Germans will never get to remove the stigma.

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Old 2011-09-27, 07:58   Link #5716
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...09-26-21-45-06

Edit, not really a ''news'' but still interesting: Stupid travel complaints
http://www.thestar.com/travel/articl...vel-complaints
I am so glad than I am not in direct contact with tourist.
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Old 2011-09-27, 17:11   Link #5718
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It's interesting really, from my perspective, that out of the 3 Axis powers, only the Nazis seem to have any "lasting" effect, in the sense that it is still a very sensitive issue to a large portion of people, including the present-day Germans themselves.

No one really seems to give a damn about the Axis Italians anymore. It's always Nazis this, Nazis that, and a sprinkle of Axis Japanese. Japan's involvement in WW2 is still a sensitive issue in East Asia, but it is largely overshadowed by their modern contributions to society at large. Say the word Japan, and people are more likely to think of anime, eccentricism, and robots. Say the word German however, and quite a fair bit of people will still conjure imagery of Nazis, other than German Engineering , Beer and Sausages.

As for Soviet Russia... in my opinion, it's becoming a comedic meme. Yes, yes... I know a lot of terrible things happened during those times, but to the modern person, say Russia and he/she will probably think of Vodka, the Space Race, and bad generic villains in video games.

I'm only being half-serious here, but I think people need to stop glorifying the evil of the Nazis (to the point where I don't even blink anymore if I see a literal baby-eating Nazi Zombie in a story), or the poor present-day Germans will never get to remove the stigma.

Cheers.
Well, people still talk about fascists. They've just kind of forgotten where they came from, geographically speaking.
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Old 2011-09-27, 19:38   Link #5719
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I'm only being half-serious here, but I think people need to stop glorifying the evil of the Nazis (to the point where I don't even blink anymore if I see a literal baby-eating Nazi Zombie in a story), or the poor present-day Germans will never get to remove the stigma.
One of the pioneers of Holocaust history once wrote something along the effects of: the Nazis have got all of you hoodwinked with images of total efficiency and military supremacy, screw you bitches.

Well, that last part was my embellishment. He was actually saying something more on the side of, we should never, ever forget that there are people in the cogs of the machine carrying out the tasks necessary to commit those crimes, and moreover that the Nazi state was anything but efficient. The study of the subtler, complex truth behind this overwhelmingly dominant image ought to be the duty of every Holocaust history. Thou shall not believe propaganda even if it has been reinterpreted negatively.

And, by the way, he was actually writing on the Reichsbahn.

Forty years after his words and the Nazis are still synonymous with efficiency and industrial inhumanity...and Germans...not to mention sporting sexy leathers and making Japanese mangaka go nuts. Riefenstahl was truly a dangerous woman. :P

Alternatively, you can just blame it on the British and the Americans. The Americans have Normandy, Normandy, and Normandy, occasionally Bastille. The British are completely obsessed with the Empire's Most Glorious Hour and every year there are at least a dozen if not far more books on Nazis, the British Empire fighting Nazis, and more Nazis, providing steady livelihood to generations of publishers and nonfiction authors. (The French on the other hand are too busy discussing La Resistance and Collaboration.)
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