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Old 2012-04-20, 21:55   Link #7021
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How utterly, utterly generic.
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Old 2012-04-21, 04:32   Link #7022
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There is an afterlife for animals at the Khan Younis zoo in the impoverished Gaza Strip.

Animals who die in the dilapidated park return to be displayed as stuffed creatures, giving visitors the unusual zoo experience of petting a lion, tiger or crocodile. But because taxidermy in the largely isolated Palestinian territory is not advanced and expertise and materials are in short supply, the experience can be grim.
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Old 2012-04-21, 09:39   Link #7023
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Here is something you don't read everyday.

Woman’s Coca-Cola ‘habit’ cited in death


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...161323721.html
I love how they're mentioning you could die from drinking too much water. So what, that's clearly not the freaking issue here. Coke is not water, and should not be consumed by human beings. I understand the cultural value and how many people drink it regularly... but is it really that strange to suggest that fizzy brown artificial crap isn't meant to go inside our body at any point?
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Old 2012-04-21, 09:42   Link #7024
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How utterly, utterly generic.
How do you mean it is generic? Please don't tell me that you like extraordinary porn!

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I love how they're mentioning you could die from drinking too much water. So what, that's clearly not the freaking issue here. Coke is not water, and should not be consumed by human beings. I understand the cultural value and how many people drink it regularly... but is it really that strange to suggest that fizzy brown artificial crap isn't meant to go inside our body at any point?
It is supposed to be a brain tonic that relieves headaches. Though I don't see how it can do so when it no longer contains coca extract.
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Old 2012-04-21, 09:59   Link #7025
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I love how they're mentioning you could die from drinking too much water. So what, that's clearly not the freaking issue here. Coke is not water, and should not be consumed by human beings. I understand the cultural value and how many people drink it regularly... but is it really that strange to suggest that fizzy brown artificial crap isn't meant to go inside our body at any point?
It's mostly water and sugar. No more artificial than any of our medicines. For that matter, the human race is supposedly native to a small region in Africa. So nothing that doesn't live there (like New World plants...) should be considered part of our "natural" diet.
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Old 2012-04-21, 10:12   Link #7026
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Speaking of cola.....

The scientific myth that soda will dissolve your teeth
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Old 2012-04-21, 11:16   Link #7027
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How do you mean it is generic? Please don't tell me that you like extraordinary porn!
I was mostly talking about the titles. I didn't even look up the things themselves.
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Old 2012-04-21, 11:18   Link #7028
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Woman says 'Singaporeans too weak' after NSF's death, sparking outrage online

As much as most of us NS guys hate our obligation to Serve-And-F*ckoff, this bitch seriously needs a tight slap across the face.

Sure, my following generation of "3G" soldiers (I was the last batch of the old-uniform /w M16/(C)AR15 of the combined arms era, if I am not wrong TRL was the first batch in early 1990s) maybe "physically weaker" (no more tiring your arms out before you reach the goddamn low rope!) and more likely to MGS3, but most of them still suck thumb and train hard to pass IPPT and 7-10-15-min assault courses.

Away from their comfort of FB and the internet, these kids sucked it up. Weak or not, one day a real conflict will judge them. And it isn't just about physical ability.......it is about the strength of their mind too. Give them some due respect.
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Old 2012-04-21, 11:49   Link #7029
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It's mostly water and sugar. No more artificial than any of our medicines. For that matter, the human race is supposedly native to a small region in Africa. So nothing that doesn't live there (like New World plants...) should be considered part of our "natural" diet.
I'm of the opinion most of our medicines are damaging in the long run; especially modern pharmaceutical concoctions. It's about weighing the benefits versus the risks. If someone has a disease that would do more immediate harm than the medicine it treats, then they would rightfully choose to take the hit on whatever negatives that particular medication brings with it. This can even be applied to what we consider relatively harmless and vital medications like antibiotics. If you have a damaging bacterial infection the antibiotics will do much more good than harm. That shouldn't cause us to entirely disregard the negatives, which include eradication of gut flora; which in and of itself is being linked to weight problems, gestational issues, digestion problems, and decreased ability to fight off infections (ironically sometimes the same infections the antibiotics are treating. You get rid of them, but lower your natural defenses against subsequent ones).

I will partly agree with your latter assertion and add my own clarification. I believe most populations have experienced a degree of dietary natural selection upon migrating to new continents/environments. In a global world, we see some glaring examples of this. For instance, if its piques your interest, look into some of the studies comparing Australian Aborigines' health eating their ancestral diet versus the modern one. The Aborigines' natural diet was hunter-gatherer in nature, and it appears to suit them best today. On the other hand, you can look up the plight of the Pima Native American tribe that resides in northern Mexico and small pockets of southwest USA. They too experienced significant health issues upon being forced into adopting US government food rations. They were not hunter-gatherers, but an agricultural people that relied on the famous 'three sister' plant foods of the Americas. Contrasting the difficulties faced by the Pima in the USA were the Pima in Mexico, who continued a far more traditional existence with less dietary intrusion from Western civilization, and, as a result, avoided the rampant obesity/diabetes problem the plagues the US Pima. A further note to ponder, I do not think it would take very many generations to alter a population's genetics upon adopting a radical dietary change. The widespread adaption to dairy consumption in western Europe is an example of this. Presumably those who could not live off of it would be at a significant disadvantage and be incapable of passing on their genetic material as effectively as their dairy-eating counterparts. Of course, this does not apply to the most modern of foods, like coca-cola, both because the time frame is simply too small and the ability to drink coke does not exert a selective advantage.

In the end, neither of us could definitively claim who is 'right,' since diets are constantly changing as populations migrate or branch into new evolutionary niches. I just can't bring myself to accept the logic that these modern creations such as sodas, artificial foods, etc, are a natural thing any animal should be eating. And as much as I love the science behind it, I'll admit no study informs that opinion of mine as much as what I'd consider my 'common sense,' for however much that is worth.

Also, in regards to Coke's ingredients, I recall reading just recently about the problems linked to the caramel coloring. The same can be said of aspartame (I am not sure if they have stopped using it, but they did for quite some time). The water and sugar (sugar could be argued an unnatural product for most human populations to consume in the massive quantities we see today, but I'll set that aside lol) may constitute the bulk, but that doesn't make the presence of the artificial crap weigh less heavily on my mind.
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Old 2012-04-21, 12:04   Link #7030
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Woman says 'Singaporeans too weak' after NSF's death, sparking outrage online

As much as most of us NS guys hate our obligation to Serve-And-F*ckoff, this bitch seriously needs a tight slap across the face.

Sure, my following generation of "3G" soldiers (I was the last batch of the old-uniform /w M16/(C)AR15 of the combined arms era, if I am not wrong TRL was the first batch in early 1990s) maybe "physically weaker" (no more tiring your arms out before you reach the goddamn low rope!) and more likely to MGS3, but most of them still suck thumb and train hard to pass IPPT and 7-10-15-min assault courses.

Away from their comfort of FB and the internet, these kids sucked it up. Weak or not, one day a real conflict will judge them. And it isn't just about physical ability.......it is about the strength of their mind too. Give them some due respect.
Hell, I'm not from Singapore and even I want to slap her.

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Old 2012-04-21, 12:57   Link #7031
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I'm of the opinion most of our medicines are damaging in the long run; especially modern pharmaceutical concoctions. It's about weighing the benefits versus the risks. If someone has a disease that would do more immediate harm than the medicine it treats, then they would rightfully choose to take the hit on whatever negatives that particular medication brings with it. This can even be applied to what we consider relatively harmless and vital medications like antibiotics. If you have a damaging bacterial infection the antibiotics will do much more good than harm. That shouldn't cause us to entirely disregard the negatives, which include eradication of gut flora; which in and of itself is being linked to weight problems, gestational issues, digestion problems, and decreased ability to fight off infections (ironically sometimes the same infections the antibiotics are treating. You get rid of them, but lower your natural defenses against subsequent ones).

I will partly agree with your latter assertion and add my own clarification. I believe most populations have experienced a degree of dietary natural selection upon migrating to new continents/environments. In a global world, we see some glaring examples of this. For instance, if its piques your interest, look into some of the studies comparing Australian Aborigines' health eating their ancestral diet versus the modern one. The Aborigines' natural diet was hunter-gatherer in nature, and it appears to suit them best today. On the other hand, you can look up the plight of the Pima Native American tribe that resides in northern Mexico and small pockets of southwest USA. They too experienced significant health issues upon being forced into adopting US government food rations. They were not hunter-gatherers, but an agricultural people that relied on the famous 'three sister' plant foods of the Americas. Contrasting the difficulties faced by the Pima in the USA were the Pima in Mexico, who continued a far more traditional existence with less dietary intrusion from Western civilization, and, as a result, avoided the rampant obesity/diabetes problem the plagues the US Pima. A further note to ponder, I do not think it would take very many generations to alter a population's genetics upon adopting a radical dietary change. The widespread adaption to dairy consumption in western Europe is an example of this. Presumably those who could not live off of it would be at a significant disadvantage and be incapable of passing on their genetic material as effectively as their dairy-eating counterparts. Of course, this does not apply to the most modern of foods, like coca-cola, both because the time frame is simply too small and the ability to drink coke does not exert a selective advantage.

In the end, neither of us could definitively claim who is 'right,' since diets are constantly changing as populations migrate or branch into new evolutionary niches. I just can't bring myself to accept the logic that these modern creations such as sodas, artificial foods, etc, are a natural thing any animal should be eating. And as much as I love the science behind it, I'll admit no study informs that opinion of mine as much as what I'd consider my 'common sense,' for however much that is worth.

Also, in regards to Coke's ingredients, I recall reading just recently about the problems linked to the caramel coloring. The same can be said of aspartame (I am not sure if they have stopped using it, but they did for quite some time). The water and sugar (sugar could be argued an unnatural product for most human populations to consume in the massive quantities we see today, but I'll set that aside lol) may constitute the bulk, but that doesn't make the presence of the artificial crap weigh less heavily on my mind.
I just don't, as a rule, like thinking about "natural" diet. We indulge in all kind of "unnatural" (I find the distinction a bit arbitrary...) behavior, which differentiates us from apes. I can of course acknowledge the difference between healthy and unhealthy, but merely being natural or not doesn't mean it's one or the other. For example, clubbing an animal to death and eating its fresh, raw meat may be natural, but it's not as healthy as cooking it. Eating fish when you live hundreds of kilometers from the sea may be unnatural, but it's healthy.
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Old 2012-04-21, 15:02   Link #7032
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Everything is natural or it wouldn't exist. The ingredients in soft drinks are not "unnatural" because they were all derived from natural substances. Saying that something is "unnatural" makes you about as ignorant of chemistry and materials science as your average crazy creationist.

We use "unnatural" things all the time. Computers. Phones. Cars. Clothes. Lifesaving medical treatments. The internet. None of these things arose without human intervention, and most of them we would be hard-pressed to exist without. Our society is so large and numerous because we have technology, not in spite of it.

Without the technology that grows our food, treats our illnesses and prevents diseases, we would be far less numerous, shorter, physically weaker and live for less than half as long.



This sums up my feelings on the "natural" thing as far as it goes. It's also quite entertaining.
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Old 2012-04-21, 19:47   Link #7033
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I just don't, as a rule, like thinking about "natural" diet. We indulge in all kind of "unnatural" (I find the distinction a bit arbitrary...) behavior, which differentiates us from apes. I can of course acknowledge the difference between healthy and unhealthy, but merely being natural or not doesn't mean it's one or the other. For example, clubbing an animal to death and eating its fresh, raw meat may be natural, but it's not as healthy as cooking it. Eating fish when you live hundreds of kilometers from the sea may be unnatural, but it's healthy.
My use of the term natural is perhaps misleading, then. I speak of it in reference to evolutionary biology. Forget about the natural semantics for a moment. I believe humans are adapted to cooking as there is evidence for the use of fire since the time of H. erectus. The fish themselves may not have been part of an ancestral diet, but they are constituted largely of the same macro and micro nutrients as healthy foods our ancestors did eat. There were certainly seafaring populations since the time of antiquity, and seafood has been gathered by coastal populations since the paleolithic. The synthetic chemicals in coca-cola and other modern food creations do not necessarily have analogous components in ancestral diets. As a result, some of them appear to have detrimental effects on human health, whether by being carcinogenic or otherwise.

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Everything is natural or it wouldn't exist. The ingredients in soft drinks are not "unnatural" because they were all derived from natural substances. Saying that something is "unnatural" makes you about as ignorant of chemistry and materials science as your average crazy creationist.

We use "unnatural" things all the time. Computers. Phones. Cars. Clothes. Lifesaving medical treatments. The internet. None of these things arose without human intervention, and most of them we would be hard-pressed to exist without. Our society is so large and numerous because we have technology, not in spite of it.

Without the technology that grows our food, treats our illnesses and prevents diseases, we would be far less numerous, shorter, physically weaker and live for less than half as long.
Of course everything is natural on some level. Any object that exists in the universe is natural , but what I was referring to is human evolution and the connection to our diet. I'm quite pleased to benefit from the list of "unnatural" things you mention, especially now as I reply to you over my computer , but you must realize that our ability to adapt in regards to diet is light years behind the pace of our behavioral adaption. We benefit from our large brain, unfortunately the digestive system does not operate under the same parameters. As a result we have an obesity epidemic right now, a diabetes epidemic, sharp increases in cancer rates, etc. I'm sure you know all of that already. More to the point, do you think drinking coke every day is something our bodies have adapted to evolutionarily?

You're right that without the technology of the modern era we'd be shorter and physically weaker; if we were primitive farming societies. Hunter gatherers were notably taller and healthier in several regards (bone density, jaw size) than their direct descendents of the neolithic. I think rather than turn it into some conflict between 'natural' and 'unnatural', why not combine the best of both worlds: try to glean as much knowledge as we can from evolutionary biology towards what foods are the healthiest AND live in modern society with advanced medicine and all the other benefits you've mentioned.
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Old 2012-04-22, 02:08   Link #7034
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Every drug has side effects and adverse outcomes. No drug is perfect. Every doctor has to weigh this fact every time he makes a prescription for anything. The problem these days is that medicinal drugs are abused and overused.

Likewise obesity and diabetes can only be epidemics insofar as lifestyle trends could be considered similarly. I still consider calling both epidemics as a false term as the majority of cases of morbid obesity and type 2 DM are a result of poor diets and lifestyle. They aren't infectious, the genetic component isn't as big as some media suggest, and majority are preventable.
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Old 2012-04-22, 06:38   Link #7035
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Old 2012-04-22, 10:32   Link #7036
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Every drug has side effects and adverse outcomes. No drug is perfect. Every doctor has to weigh this fact every time he makes a prescription for anything. The problem these days is that medicinal drugs are abused and overused.

Likewise obesity and diabetes can only be epidemics insofar as lifestyle trends could be considered similarly. I still consider calling both epidemics as a false term as the majority of cases of morbid obesity and type 2 DM are a result of poor diets and lifestyle. They aren't infectious, the genetic component isn't as big as some media suggest, and majority are preventable.
Exactly, and diet is a key component of preventative medicine. I reccommend highly "The 150 Healthiest Foods" by Dr. Johnny Bowden. More and more we discover the powerful preventative mechanisms present in high quality food.
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Old 2012-04-22, 10:40   Link #7037
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Exactly, and diet is a key component of preventative medicine. I reccommend highly "The 150 Healthiest Foods" by Dr. Johnny Bowden. More and more we discover the powerful preventative mechanisms present in high quality food.
I am testing out a "fruit for brunch" diet for the next month. Let's see if that will kill me.
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Old 2012-04-22, 10:46   Link #7038
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America's Next Top Model axes three presenters

I admit watching this show with my sister. Seeing Nigel, Mr J and Mrs J leaving is sad for me.
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Old 2012-04-22, 10:49   Link #7039
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America's Next Top Model axes three presenters

I admit watching this show with my sister. Seeing Nigel, Mr J and Mrs J leaving is sad for me.
Look what is worse :

US introduces $60 LED light bulb

China is going to make it cost $20. India is going to make it cost $5. US is going to lose out here.
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Old 2012-04-22, 11:00   Link #7040
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Actually, no.
For these high power LEDs, china quality is really bad.
They are dim, have weird colors and don't live long.

This is one application where quality really matters. And besides prices of last generations original '60$ LEDs' have already come down to about 20$.
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