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Old 2007-12-05, 17:56   Link #601
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it seems that with this turn of events, the novel might take a long run

i mean

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from the spoilers contributed by cnnydz (thanks so much! XD ) im thinking that the sairei no hebi isn't really a bad guy and so are the rest of the bal masque. i mean, he just wanted to let his people live peacefully right?

also, i heard that pheles left in the earlier chapters... im wondering if she would, upon her return, side with yuji or against him.

there are still some more questions that i would like to ask such as

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Sry for double posting.

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Also what happened to Wilhemina, and was one of those Flame Haze in Switzerland Khamshin, sry for pestering you so mush with questions i'm just desperate for spoilers sorry, o n since I double posted you might skip my last post in the last page, so plz answer those questions too, again i'm really really sorry, i'm just really desperate sorry.
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Old 2007-12-05, 18:06   Link #602
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Wow, just read the spoilers, and at this rate, forget ending at 17. We could go on to 20. We may even see a Shana III in the anime.
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Old 2007-12-05, 18:32   Link #603
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to edgewalker00
Spoiler for s:

about snake being a good guy
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Old 2007-12-05, 18:32   Link #604
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er.. well
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figured as much.

well, thanks for coming here and feeding all us illiterates information on the new novel.
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Old 2007-12-05, 18:39   Link #605
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Also what happened to Wilhelmina, and was one of those Flame Haze in Switzerland Khamshin , sry for pestering you so mush with questions i'm just desperate for spoilers sorry, o n since I double posted you might skip my last post in the last page, so plz answer those questions too, again i'm really really sorry, i'm just really desperate sorry.
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Old 2007-12-05, 19:00   Link #606
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Thanks, I feel sorry for Yoshida, although I guess that spoiler about Yoshida giving up hope on being with Yuji in Volume 16, wasn't that fake after all, does Eita know that Margery's dead? I can't believe he just left Shana bleeding there...he basically says he loves her, and then beats her to death, and leaves her bleeding there even though she's unconcious, and it would be a good time to heal her...



Can you give me an estimate of how many new people are introduced, and are they all Flame Haze??? Also do you think that SnS could be ended in Volume 17?
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Old 2007-12-05, 19:13   Link #607
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just finished vol.16 here are some spoilers
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At first I was all, .

Then.



I screamed "epiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiic!"

...

A question or two for me, I guess.

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Old 2007-12-05, 19:46   Link #608
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Yuji has the anti-flame ring Azure (whatever the name is) , Blutsauger, and the Reiji Maigo at least. He might have some new additions.
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Old 2007-12-05, 19:48   Link #609
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A question or two for me, I guess.

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Old 2007-12-05, 22:49   Link #610
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I think SoF Yuji is acting kinda insane but that's just my opinion
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Old 2007-12-05, 23:03   Link #611
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I think SoF Yuji is acting kinda insane but that's just my opinion
they all act kind of insane.

SotF's plan is arguably one of the less selfish ones though.
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Old 2007-12-05, 23:12   Link #612
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I thought he was insane because...
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Someone has some f**ked up notions of love
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Old 2007-12-05, 23:15   Link #613
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First, thanks cnnydz! Really appreciate it.

Second of all, yikes!
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Old 2007-12-05, 23:23   Link #614
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I thought he was insane because...
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Someone has some f**ked up notions of love
she would have done the same. and taken no criticism for it. >_>

depending on what happens next time around I'm willing to call him insane, but nothing he's done so far strikes me as that out of the ordinary for the other side.
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Old 2007-12-05, 23:27   Link #615
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Someone has some f**ked up notions of love
You need to think of it from Shana's point of view.

She's a Flame Haze. Her purpose is to kill Tomogara and preserve the balance. Serei no Hebi Sakai Yuuji is effectively a Tomogara trying to do that, so despite her feelings for him she's got to fufill her responsibility.

I'm a bit surprised Sairei no Hebi doesn't have the same condescending view of Flame Haze that Annaberg did; looking at Margery and how flimsy her self-defined purpose was (revenge on the Knight of the Silver Flame) and how easily it was deflated, the Flame Haze are little more than a necessary evil. Even if Sairei no Hebi has nothing to lose from his fiddling with the mortal realm, he's still trying to modulate everything toward the positive.

This raises two effective issues, though:

1. Why did the Guze no Ou contain Sairei no Hebi, knowing his intent? The Flame Haze fighting him makes sense, but why did the Ou oppose him?
2. Sairei no Hebi's logic makes it sound like he's assuming Tomogara want to live in the human realm, but from all our observations of them they exploit humans (as a resource) to achieve an ends, id est Friagne trying to animate Marianne, the incest twins for their Hougu, and so on. Those Tomogara don't care for peace, they care for stuff; at best, Sairei no Hebi will just remove humans as the exploitable resource by the Tomogara.

Suffice to say, I still want to learn more about him. I figured he might be a 'benevolent' force in a way, and as a "creator" it sure sounds like he is concerned for the welfare of humanity at large.
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Old 2007-12-06, 02:25   Link #616
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that's a lot of spoilers i just read. i caved on waiting for more english novels to come out before reading, but 6 months per release is too much. hence my hunt for novel spoilers.

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1. Why did the Guze no Ou contain Sairei no Hebi, knowing his intent? The Flame Haze fighting him makes sense, but why did the Ou oppose him?
2. Sairei no Hebi's logic makes it sound like he's assuming Tomogara want to live in the human realm, but from all our observations of them they exploit humans (as a resource) to achieve an ends, id est Friagne trying to animate Marianne, the incest twins for their Hougu, and so on. Those Tomogara don't care for peace, they care for stuff; at best, Sairei no Hebi will just remove humans as the exploitable resource by the Tomogara.
1. Guze no Ou contain Sairei no Hebi? Not quite sure I follow. Wondering if i missed something.
2. Not necessarily. There's ones like Lammies(sp?). Granted, I don't know what happened with him after the anime season 1 or his fate in the novels vol2 and on, but Tomogara aren't necessarily "evil". They just consume / collect PoE.
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Old 2007-12-06, 02:30   Link #617
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1. Guze no Ou contain Sairei no Hebi? Not quite sure I follow. Wondering if i missed something.
The kings fought SnH during the Middle Ages and defeated him; they thought they killed him, but he apparently found himself in another dimension that's linked to the Reiji Maigo. Mathilde died around this time, so I'm guessing it was in the battle to stop SnH?

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2. Not necessarily. There's ones like Lammies(sp?). Granted, I don't know what happened with him after the anime season 1 or his fate in the novels vol2 and on, but Tomogara aren't necessarily "evil". They just consume / collect PoE.
Rammie is a rare exception to the rule, but even then, he's still exploting resource, just corpses instead of living humans.
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Old 2007-12-06, 02:44   Link #618
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1. Why did the Guze no Ou contain Sairei no Hebi, knowing his intent? The Flame Haze fighting him makes sense, but why did the Ou oppose him?
2. Sairei no Hebi's logic makes it sound like he's assuming Tomogara want to live in the human realm, but from all our observations of them they exploit humans (as a resource) to achieve an ends, id est Friagne trying to animate Marianne, the incest twins for their Hougu, and so on. Those Tomogara don't care for peace, they care for stuff; at best, Sairei no Hebi will just remove humans as the exploitable resource by the Tomogara.
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Old 2007-12-06, 02:49   Link #619
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The kings fought SnH during the Middle Ages and defeated him; they thought they killed him, but he apparently found himself in another dimension that's linked to the Reiji Maigo. Mathilde died around this time, so I'm guessing it was in the battle to stop SnH?
ah okay. thanks for clearing that up. edit: wasn't SnH leader of the Bal Masque, and the Ou aligned with balance-preservation were against him in the first place? or did the Bal Masque not like him either? /confused again

about that, i wonder if alastor ever commented on it? though it seems out of character for him to do so, it might suggest tenpa jyousai was used to defeat SnH before? just expanding on that thought and possibility.
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Old 2007-12-06, 02:54   Link #620
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ah okay. thanks for clearing that up.

about that, i wonder if alastor ever commented on it? though it seems out of character for him to do so, it might suggest tenpa jyousai was used to defeat SnH before? just expanding on that thought and possibility.
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